And you sir?
Because my driving is being slated, and by implication me.
How about a straight answer to whether my scenario is unfair?
I don't understand it, and I don't think I've got the mental energy any more.
you should just stay there?
Yes. Why not? Chill out, sip your coffee, watch the lovely rolling countryside, put some tunes on, and relax.
I don't understand it
I didn't think it was that difficult - by nature we're not talking about single overtaking attempts here, so it's hard to make things simpler. There isn't any hidden meaning in that particular one if it helps.
Yes. Why not? Chill out, sip your coffee, watch the lovely rolling countryside, put some tunes on, and relax.
That is at least a straight answer. We can't give up now though, not after putting all this effort in.
Yes. Why not? Chill out, sip your coffee, watch the lovely rolling countryside, put some tunes on, and relax.
It quite possible in Scotland to drive 100 miles+ on unbroken single carriageways. Undertaking such a journey at the speed of the slowest car could add an hour to the journey time.
I'm not really prepared to sit at the back of a queue for 100 miles out of some misplaced sense of politeness or driving decorum.
Life is too short, which is ironic as the people most likely to hold others up are often the ones with the least life left
wwaswas
I can die a happy man 😀
mesmerising, isn't it 🙂
This got me thinking. What's the right thing to do in the equivalent position in an MTB race? Suppose I'm stuck behind a queue of slow riders on some narrow single track. An opportunity to get past is about to come up. Should I wait my turn and perhaps be passed by someone else, or should I just go for it and ignore the angry looks from the slower riders? Especially if we're about to come to a bombhole where everyone will slow down even more?
Does the fact that I have zero prospect of ever being on a podium make a difference?
I don't think you really get places that much quicker by overtaking. A few minutes at best, no matter what car you drive. If it's someone cruising along at 40 I don't bother anymore, the number of times in my youth I would get past someone like that, then when I'd arrived or stopped much further up the road, see them come cruising past me like 5 minutes later. These days, I see folk getting past me, and then I see them stopped off somehwhere much further up the road, looking like they more or less just got there. I think it's because the 40mph cruiser doesn't really brake or accelerate, whereas someone wanting to do 60 or more has to brake and accelerate loads, wait behind the next 40mph cruiser, get past them and so on, so the avarage speed isn't that much higher than 40 for anyone no matter how you drive. Best just to save fuel, tyres and brake pad material and chill I reckon, do 60 if you can, but if you're stuck in a line at 40, just roll with it, it won't really make any difference. Safer for all that way too.
60 is a limit, not a target.
molgrips - Member"And you sir?"
[b]Because my driving is being slated[/b], and by implication me.
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As 'they' say, you can criticise a man for almost anything, including his performance as a lover, but you must not, under any circumstances, criticise a man's driving.
I'm not really prepared to sit at the back of a queue for 100 miles out of some misplaced sense of politeness or driving decorum.
Neither am I.
As 'they' say, you can criticise a man for almost anything, including his performance as a lover, but you must not, under any circumstances, criticise a man's driving.
Men dont sit and wait to be invited to overtake. 😆
Yes. Why not? Chill out, sip your coffee, watch the lovely rolling countryside, put some tunes on, and relax.
I'm not really prepared to sit at the back of a queue for 100 miles out of some misplaced sense of politeness or driving decorum.
Neither am I.
Ok, so I'm confused...are we expected to chill out & relax so that [u]you[/u] can overtake?
Oh, going back to this thing of lower powered car overtaking, you took note of that & commented, yet failed to note anything regarding anticipation & preparation.
Do we have to raise the advanced driving query again? If so, before you know it, there'll be dancing zebra's everywhere.
If so, before you know, there'll be dancing zebras everywhere.
*Lies in wait*
I miss the dancing Zebras....seems like such a long time ago
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How about ferrets unlimited?
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No point in continuing this. My every word is being pulled apart into unrecognisable nonsense.
I'll just make a note of the contributors, then if we ever end up on a forum ride requiring cars, I'll offer to drive.
Yey for Zebras
And ferrets
My every word is being pulled apart into unrecognisable nonsense
Whats that old programming adage?
Rubbish in, rubbish out.
I'll just make a note of the contributors, then if we ever end up on a forum ride requiring cars, I'll offer to drive.
Won't everyone else be halfway round the black route when you arrive? 😉
I'll soon catch you up, don't worry.
Ahhh, but will you then "jump the queue" when you do catch up on the trails?
My question still stands & isn't in any way a misinterpretation.
Yes. Why not? Chill out, sip your coffee, watch the lovely rolling countryside, put some tunes on, and relax.I'm not really prepared to sit at the back of a queue for 100 miles out of some misplaced sense of politeness or driving decorum.
Neither am I.
So, are we expected to chill out & relax so that you can overtake? Any chance of a straight answer, or do we get another chuck the toys out of the pram moment to avoid the subject?
So, are we expected to chill out & relax so that you can overtake?
Depends if you arrived after me or not. That's why I say it's a queue, that's how they work.
Fact is, I've been overtaken many times whilst waiting for a spot myself. And that's put me at a disadvantage. I wouldn't make this up, would I?
I'll soon catch you up, don't worry.
How will you overtake people on your bike?
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My bike's an Orange 5, you can hate me all the more now.
So someone with a faster car / better anticipation passes you in a spot you can't overtake. The only disadvantage to you that I see is that someone...has a faster car / better anticipation.
It is not a queue, people are going different places, with different agenda's & different acceptances of slow vehicles, be that because they can't or do not wish to overtake.
I view an overtake opportunity as this...vehicles ahead see the opportunity prior to me, or they should if they are correctly positioned & anticipating a manoeuvre. They therefore have the opportunity prior to me. If, by the time I decide to overtake there is no indication from them that they intend to overtake, then I do. Simple. I have not "stolen" anyone else's opportunity as they made no indication of intention (whether that is actually signalling or otherwise). If you feel that I have stolen your spot, then suck it up & MTFU...it is nothing personal & how many opportunities am I expected to pass up, on the basis that at some point in the future you may wish to overtake.
I will add that I generally look to pass everything at once if at all possible in multi vehicle situations, but if the gaps between vehicles are sufficient & I only have short straights, I will make my way up the line of traffic & slot back in where suitable (note, the bigger the gaps between cars, the farther to travel to pass everything, making it more likely to require splitting the overall overtake plan into safe & manageable chunks).
So.. if you see a vehicle, you just pass it? Regardless of what it might possibly be doing soon?
So say, approaching a roundabout, or a town or something?
molgrips - Member
So.. if you see a vehicle, you just pass it? Regardless of what it might possibly be doing soon?So say, approaching a roundabout, or a town or something?
oh come on, you're not even trying now!
Now you really are getting petty & ridiculous.
Did you fail to note the "overtake opportunity"?
Are you accusing me of overtaking vehicles anywhere & everywhere? Odd, given that you have accused others of misinterpreting your driving, that you blatantly do the same.
Shall we try again...
I view an overtake opportunity as this...vehicles ahead see the opportunity prior to me, or they should if they are correctly positioned & anticipating a manoeuvre. They therefore have the opportunity prior to me. If, by the time I decide to overtake there is no indication from them that they intend to overtake, then I do.
So, an overtake opportunity, somewhere where I can safely pass & if necessary, reduce speed for whatever cause, without requiring the vehicles I've passed to slow unnecessarily.
Are you accusing me of overtaking vehicles anywhere & everywhere?
That would be stupid, since I know as much about your driving as you do about mine.
since I know as much about your driving as you do about mine.
Right. There's only one way to sort this...
Helmet cams at dawn it is. Molgrips et al - record your drives and upload your driving vids for full STW technique analysis. 😉
You mean something like this?
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I think Mols is there too...at about 2:25
Yes, video evidence
"It's a bendy road but people do go at a great lick along it. It's 60mph at the moment but the council are looking at changing it to 50 and hopefully this will make a difference."
..from a recent tragic incident, that should end this thread for all but the bell ends.
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..from a recent tragic incident, that should end this thread for all but the bell ends.
Was it an accident involving somebody overtaking a queue in stages?
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I view an overtake opportunity as this...vehicles ahead see the opportunity prior to me, or they should if they are correctly positioned & anticipating a manoeuvre. They therefore have the opportunity prior to me. If, by the time I decide to overtake there is no indication from them that they intend to overtake, then I do.
Yes! Exactly, that's precisely what I do, and always have done. It's the sensible way to drive.
"It's a bendy road but people do go at a great lick along it. It's 60mph at the moment but the council are looking at changing it to 50 and hopefully this will make a difference."
..from a recent tragic incident, that should end this thread for all but the bell ends.
Not in my experience. It will, however, increase the police's take in speeding fines
People need to get their heads round the concept that whilst speed is a contributory factor in many accidents, it is almost always poor driving that is the root cause.
No reply could say more than your own words.
Irony alert.
Are you going to answer my question IanW?
Does any road accident happening for whatever reason mean that it's not safe to overtake, ever?
From the same article that IanW is using to apparently justify zero overtaking...or a speed related issue.
"A car went into an articulated lorry. All we know is what the police have said – that the car tried to overtake something or the car hit a kerb which has sent it spinning out of control and obviously gone head-on into a lorry."
Seems to me driver error was more of an issue than outright speed. Take a look at the car, a Nissan Primera, with 5 people on board, so acceleration will be compromised...did the driver factor the extra weight into his expectation of acceleration & passing distance required? Did he look far enough down the road, or attempt to pass approaching a blind corner? Maybe they clipped the inside kerb, so entirely unrelated to speed or overtaking.
I feel very sorry for the families of those involved, but looks to me like driver error.
It's 60mph at the moment but the council are looking at changing it to 50
I really want to start a thread on this pointless waste of public money in the name of safety, that completely misses the point and only achieves cluttering up the countryside with more signs, but the whole thing is just too depressing.
