Ok you win. I'm a shit driver, I pootle around, I've got no idea how to overtake and I'm very angry. Please instruct me on how to overtake
My work here is done....
Lol
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Not referring specifically to anyone in this thread whatsoever. However out on the roads, and in life generally it really does hold true.
I reckon this version (posted recently on another thread) may be more appropriate in the context
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Haha! Like it - that Toy Story image is pretty versatile
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molgrips - MemberThree.
If you still can't accept your argument may be flawed after TWENTY FIVE pages, I fear you are lost to reason.
Cuts both ways, that.
Indeed, but I can accept your arguement is flawed, can you?
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Indeed, but I can accept your arguement is flawed, can you?
Maybe you're not getting it, or your argument is also flawed?
molgrips - Member
Three.
Can you point me to the advisory or mandatory statement in the highway code that suggests or states you must give the car in front three attempts to overtake?
Then we can finally put this to bed.
Ta.
Again for the 100th time he should be aware that I can't take tiny spaces.
How exactly is he supposed to know what your (by which I mean you and your vehicle) capability is? We're getting back to crystal ball territory again.
I seem to be able to tell who's going to force their way through tiny gaps, and who's not. I can spot a fast car or a plain family saloon.
I'm sure most of you can too.
Then we can finally put this to bed.
You can put this to bed now. Just walk away. You can put a stop to all of this. Just walk away.
Again, I'm playing catch up on this thread. Do we know who's won yet?
No-one will win. I'm just trying not to lose. Some people on the internet think I'm a rubbish driver - this is not acceptable.
In my years on the road I have from time to time seen people in little cars doing overtakes, and even on occasions people in great big cars happy to bimble along.
Perhaps everybody sees your Prius and assumes that you are too busy drinking a carrot juice and listening to whale music CDs to be interested in overtaking?
I can spot a fast car or a plain family saloon.I'm sure most of you can too.
Q-cars FTW! 😉
Some people on the internet think I'm a rubbish driver - this is not acceptable.
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I'm a rubbish driver - this is not acceptable.
Which is why many people have been encouraging you to do some more driver training, to get yourself up to scratch.
Do we know who's won yet?
I think it was the bloke driving the M3.
I'm an average driver in fact sometimes rubbish when i dont concentrate and thus am worse than you molgrips and by definition in this small sample makes you a good or at least better driver. Therefore everyone is happy and this thread can go to bed.... hurrah 😉
Who was driving the M3...was it aracer?
Define tiny overtaking space? Surely that depends on recognition of opportunity & performance of vehicle driven. Been said many times...you (generalist term, obviously with the exception of molgrips) can still overtake in low powered vehicles, it just takes a bit more anticipation & preparation.
[i]Can you point me to the advisory or mandatory statement in the highway code that suggests or states you must give the car in front three attempts to overtake?[/i]
Three times you say........
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[i]I'm an average driver in fact sometimes rubbish when i dont concentrate and thus am worse than you molgrips[/i]
Your self deprecation and desire to sacrifice your driving reputation will carry no weight here. Theres a whole [s]nut house[/s] forum of folk here to do that for you.
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Again, I'm playing catch up on this thread. Do we know who's won yet?
thegreatape just did with this stunner...
Perhaps everybody sees your Prius and assumes that you are too busy drinking a carrot juice and listening to whale music CDs to be interested in overtaking?
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Why thank you...
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you (generalist term, obviously with the exception of molgrips) can still overtake in low powered vehicles, it just takes a bit more anticipation & preparation
You can take smaller spaces in a faster car, we've covered this.
Are you seriously telling me that if you were driving an M3, you'd expect me in my Passat or Prius to be able to take the same spots as you?
No-one will win. I'm just trying not to lose. Some people on the internet think I'm a rubbish driver - this is not acceptable.
No-one other than youself is trying to to win. Most are trying to get the point across that
a. there is no such thing as a queue in the scenario you have given and
b. you would benefit from additional training and
c. some people are better at overtaking than you (which seems to be your main source of angst)
All good helpful advice with the bonus of zebras, giraffes etc. All it needs is a dancing walrus (anyone?) and the thread will be complete 😉
go on then.
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Why do you think I am bad at overtaking, despite never having seen me? You've assumed that from what I've said, but I'm trying to say that you have not understood what I've said.
Could you not just get a dash cam and record some overtaking?
It would avoid any misunderstanding based on the written word.
Why do you think I am bad at overtaking, despite never having seen me? You've assumed that from what I've said, but I'm trying to say that you have not understood what I've said.
Look at the positives. You seem to be very good at being overtaken.
Or you could just be a bit more aware of the possibility of misunderstanding on an internet forum, and also not care about judging someone whose driving you've never seen.
Something like this:
"Well what you've written doesn't sound like good practice to me, but of course I've not seen you drive"
[i]be a bit more aware of the possibility of misunderstanding on an internet forum[/i]
me?
I've said nowt on this thread bar the odd gif and a suggestion that pictures are better than words.
I have no idea how you drive and, frankly, I've probably only read about 2% of the posts on this thread so I've no idea how you write it about it either.
Also, a lot of the fun on this place comes out of misunderstanding of the written word. Often deliberate misunderstanding.
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so long as there are no bends. It won't require a long straight to pass anything (other than a fuel bowser) though
Are you seriously telling me that if you were driving an M3, you'd expect me in my Passat or Prius to be able to take the same spots as you?
Oh you're back. I have another scenario for you in that case.
You're driving along in a "queue" 2nd car back from the slow vehicle which is holding you up. At the back of the "queue" is somebody in an M3 who is alert enough to take his chances. You drive past a couple of shorts straights, both of which are long enough for the chap in the M3 to get past a couple of cars in the "queue", which would have seen him past the slow vehicle at the front if he'd taken both of them. However he's a courteous and considerate driver who's waiting to see if anybody else in front wants to take advantage of the overtaking opportunities first. Nobody in front of him does attempt an overtake, so he comes to the conclusion that they're not going to, and on the next similar opportunity he does overtake, ending up in front of you. The next straight is a nice long one which [b]should[/b] have seen you all past the slow car, however there's something coming the other way so everybody is stuck behind the slow vehicle for the next 5 miles of winding roads.
Is it unfair that the M3 driver didn't overtake when he had the opportunity?
who is alert enough to take his chances
Hang on, so you think it's only down to alertness, and not the speed of his car?
However he's a courteous and considerate driver who's waiting to see if anybody else in front wants to take advantage of the overtaking opportunities first.
What about all the people further back in the queue who he's just passed regardless?
Are you saying we should all push our way to the front of the queue? Cos we obviously can't all do that. Are you saying we should all overtake anyone in the line of cars at any opportunity? Can you imagine the bedlam that would cause? Do you think it would be safe?
What about all the people further back in the queue who he's just passed regardless?
At the back of the "queue" is somebody in an M3
Oh so you're saying he doens't queue jump?
I've no idea what the rest of your post means.
Are you seriously telling me that if you were driving an M3, you'd expect me in my Passat or Prius to be able to take the same spots as you?
No.
And as the distance needed for an overtake is as much to do with the driver as the car it's not reasonable to expect anyone to be able to accurately ascertain the overtaking space others need.
For this reason people take the opportunities THEY need when they are presented. Unless a car in front has indicated their intention to pull out.
Turn, fairness etc don't come into it.
I am now convinced that molgrips is in fact trolling this thread. Nobody could be that daft as to care:-
1) What someone things of their driving
2) Be annoyed that someone thinks their driving is in fact crap.
WGAS?
Well why do you care enough to keep posting?
Turn, fairness etc don't come into it.
Sadly, that seems to be the prevailing opinion.
Indeed.
But it's not rudeness due to the impossibility of telling if a non-indicating car is planning to pull out.
I think this thread needs a calming, spinning seal;
molgrips - MemberWell why do you care enough to keep posting?
And you sir?
Oh so you're saying he doens't queue jump?
Nobody does. Remember that there is no queue. However if you were meaning that he doesn't overtake in stages, then no, I was referring to the point at which "he's waiting to see if anybody else in front wants to take advantage of the overtaking opportunities first." to which your response was "What about all the people further back in the queue who he's just passed regardless?", to which the answer is there aren't any.
So given your latest posts, am I correct in thinking that your opinion is that nobody should ever overtake in stages? So if you're stuck behind a line of cars none of whom are ever going to overtake and there's never an overtaking spot long enough to get past in one go you should just stay there?
How about a straight answer to whether my scenario is unfair?
