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Molgrips you may want to try a neutral shoe if you are concerned that your "control" shoes may be causing problems.
Everyone pronates to some extent it is a natural movement. In my opinion it is too strong a movement to really control and my experience tends towards a flexible, cushioned and comfortable shoe and then build up training gradually.
That way you body has time to adapt to your natural tendency to pronate. I have a good friend who ran inside 25 mins for 5 miles regularly and who only had problems when he tried to control the pronation. When left alone (and it was severe) he had very little issue and a long running career!
I tend to stop when I feel a pain tho, and then try and limp home or just walk. Saves injuries
Pffft! MTFU and run through the pain. It's what your doctor would tell you.
It's what your doctor would tell you
If its rip roaring muscle exhaustion pain along with burning lungs etc thent that good pain!!!
Tears, joint, chest pain etc not so good!
A doctor would tell you to stop at either!
I usually get some tendon or other suddenly or gradually starting to shout at me very loudly. That's when the workout's over...
A doctor would tell you to stop at either!
I should have added the caveat that I am not a doctor 😉
'grips I forefoot run, but wear fairly supportive shoes as well, try a few different brands as there's a wide difference between say a Asics control, and the same style made by Brooks or Nike.
I've never tried to change my gait or control my (admittedly slight) over-pronation, and I've never had a running injury.
My pronation looks really bad tho as far as I can tell; my leg looks like it's going to slide off my ankle, only held in place by straining tendons... Of course that is exactly how it IS held in place, but if it were a machine I'd think 'oh that's gonna break that is'.
The best way to gauge what is going in down there is to look at the bottom of your trainers, obviously ones you have put at least a bit of mileage on, and see where they have worn. This will tell you 100% how you are running and where your feet are rolling too...whether inwards or outwards. As just looking down at your feet now and again might not give you an accurate assessment as to what is going on.
These are my shoes:
[i]My pronation looks really bad tho as far as I can tell[/i]
but may not be that bad in reality. Just changing it because you 'think' it's bad maybe a short cut to just different problems. If you're OK now, just get the miles in.
Wow, expensive shoes...I never pay more than £50 (cheapskate) 😆
Wow, expensive shoes...I never pay more than £50 (cheapskate)
It's Molgrips. What do you expect? 8)
I am the same though. Always getting last years models saves a bundle.
There's about a million different Inov-8 models - they have an arrow mark to indicate the amount of padding.
I didn't know that. My Mudclaws appear to have zero padding. A bit in the insoles and that's it. Take them out and there's none.
My Speedcross 2s have a wee bit of heel padding - use them for most off road runs these days as they are great all rounders and light too.
Wear all sorts for different running with no issues:
Road:
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General off road:
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"Extreme" off road:
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And probably not going to wear these much any more as they are crap in mud - for combined road/off road (Goretex lined):
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Look on the back of the shoe Mat, there will arrows on the sole:
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Cheers Jamie - will do!
I sent my Roclites back - poor fit and killed my calves. Odd because my Mudclaws are fine.
My Roclites are awesome. Use them for walking/hiking and running. Had a 10k in Sheffield the other sunday and forgot my insoles and they were still fine with some chunky wool socks.
Just changing it because you 'think' it's bad maybe a short cut to just different problems. If you're OK now, just get the miles in.
That's not why I'm changing. I'm changing because my gait has definitely changed and I feel the heel is in the way.. and for an experiment too 🙂
And yes I spent a lot on shoes but at the time I needed all the help I could get - I went through all the shoes in the shop and didn't ask the price. After all US$100 (£70 ish) is not much compared to an MTB 🙂
My Roclites are awesome.
And I assumed mine would be spot on too so was slightly puzzled as to why they were so uncomfy and such a bad fit.
Tried bigger sizes but still the same. The Speedcross 2s fit a treat and are that all important 5 grams lighter 😉
Done three off road 10k races in my Mudclaws and got good results so definitely rate Inov8s overall.
Tend to use Hilly Monoskin socks - really good and fairly cheap.
there are about 10 different styles of roclite, from distance trail to short fast race shoe. could explain why you didn't get on with them when you do with the mudclaw.
innov8 terroc 330's here.
brilliant for me. sheffy half marathon in 1hr40, fell races up the ying-yang, and general pub-approach shoe.
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no arrows, what does that mean?
The Rocklite 290's have a strange heel box, I have had a some bad blistes in events I have done and it appears to be a fault with the early one.
[i]When I bought running shoes a year or two back I was told that I over-pronated a fair bit,
I could see my foot and ankle squishing inwards loads, looked quite alarming actually.
Has anyone actually had problems running with over-pronation like this? [/i]
So when you started running you over-pronated, but now you...over-pronate...I must have missed the bit where you suggested your running style has changed....
there are about 10 different styles of roclite, from distance trail to short fast race shoe. could explain why you didn't get on with them when you do with the mudclaw.
These were 295s. Uncomfy around the toe box area and caused killer calf ache. My Mudclaws did too but it soon wore off as I got used to them. I did about 10 runs in the Roclites and it didn't get any better. It's not a crime to not get on with certain shoes you know 😉
The Salomons fitted better and are incredibly comfy - I also prefer their speed lacing system. Inov8 laces are too short IMO.
These are what you need, no structure but bags of cushioning...
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And yes, they are serious.
I must have missed the bit where you suggested your running style has changed....
Yeah, you did. I've said it loads of times on every running thread 🙂 I used to heel strike, now I toe strike. Doesn't seem to have affected the pronation tho, I thought it might've in my ignorance.
Btw - Inov8 shoes off-road only?
how do your feet land? - one directly in front of the other, like you're running along a line in the road? or out to the side like you're running along a moving ship?
it's easier to run on the outside of your foot if your feet land in-line.
if your feet land out to the side, then you'll run on the inside of your feet (pronate).
i get all sorts of aches and pains if i allow my self to run feet-apart.
I will be mostly using these this winter, because they are red and therefore will make me faster.
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how do your feet land? - one directly in front of the other
Umm, interesting question - not directly, no, but I've recently noticed that, when looking at my shadow, I seem to swing from one side to the other as if my foot is swinging out to the side on recovery, and the other leg is coming towards the centre. Seen other people run like this, especially gangly teenage kids, and thought it looked awkward. I may be doing it myself.
Inov8 laces are too short IMO.
especially when you use the their loop lock method which also makes them an arse to get off when your fingers are numb.
'Grips, honestly how do you not drive yourself nuts by over-complicating everything in your life?
Heel striking, forefoot striking, pronating, supernating, none of these things are inherently "bad" or necessarily "need" to be changed. As long as you are running without pain you're pretty much good to go. Just run, it doesn't matter that "when I look at my shadow..." and all that nonsense, just run. Just slip your trainers on and go for a run, it's not the effing Olympics, so stop worrying about all this stuff, it's meaningless.
ianmunro; The. Coolest. Trainers. Ever.
Seen other people run like this, especially gangly teenage kids, and thought it looked awkward. I may be doing it myself.
That may be the logical conclusion but after seeing a scruffy gangly looking guy (who looked like he couldnt run for toffee) run away from everybody in a 5m race in Sefton park many years ago.
Then seeing him go on to win the London Marathon a couple of years later I quickly changed that perception!
Grips, honestly how do you not drive yourself nuts by over-complicating everything in your life?
Ok so here's the thing. I've got an enquiring mind, yet I'm forced to sit here and think about tedious crap all day every day, to make a living. So my mind wanders on various subjects in which I am interested.. that's why I spam the forum with it 🙂
I DO just go out for runs.. but I also like to understand what I'm doing as much as I can. So I run, then I come back and my mind think about the subject.. and then I ask on here if anyone else has any more light to shed on the subject 🙂
Surfer - yeah.. people often LOOK gangly and inefficient, but they are often also really fast, I'm aware of that 🙂
Right, I'm off for a run...
Btw - Inov8 shoes off-road only?
Depends on you really. They're primarily aimed at trail runners and fell people and don't have much cushioning, but if you don't need much cushioning, then yes, they're perfectly okay on harder surfaces. Mind the heel cup, some versions are quite aggressive, and prepare to be very confused by the millions of variations on offer, all seemingly doing much the same thing... the number in the name is the weight btw.
[i]I will be mostly using these this winter, [/i]
I like the look the look of them, prolly too narrow for me though.
[i]because they are red and therefore will make me faster.[/i]
I confused our networking guy yesterday when I needed a longer cable. He tried to give me a blue one for goodness sake.
Idiot, hope you punched him. I've just got yellow ones, which seem to be attracting wasps in the office at the mo.
Yeah I was concerned about narrowness, and bought a size one larger than norm at first, but inov8 seem to have made these a bit longer than ones i've had in the past, so there were comically long. I've now got my normal size and although they look narrow, they feel ok at the mo. I think because the fabric's pretty floppy the foot can expand either side of the sole.
Btw - Inov8 shoes off-road only?
I use these for hardpack and road:
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...which is rare. Falling over tree roots is much more fun.
Sidenote: They were surprisingly good on the ice last winter.
He's still in the server room. I might let him out tonight, he's got family after all. Vis a vis the red ones - good data, don't know anyone wearing them yet, so useful to know.
Yep - my Mudclaws (size 9) looks like canoes too.
Lovely run just now - high tide so the river looked lush, nice and cool, super sunny. If the ground was a bit drier it would have been perfect!
My runs are half on and half off road (V muddy at this time of year), salomons fit me well, but the XT wings I've currently got arn't grippy enough - how do those speed cross soles last on the tarmac?
Lucas - not had them long and only about 1km of my usual run is tarmac but so far so good. They grip very well on almost anything - worth at least looking at and trying on.
I keep looking at these and others with more aggressive tread and wondering if they'd be good for me. Thinking about it the route with the worst mud only has about 1.5km of tarmac (out of a 4 to 8 km total). I could wear the XT wings for other runs with more hard pack and tarmac. The problem with the mud is that I often run after work so its dark and I'd rather concentrate on where I'm going than not slipping over.
Last 3 runs (and the next 3) have been along playa de las cantaras (3.5 km long beach) in Las Palmas, Gran Canaria so no mud to be seen at all 😆
Well I've used mine on the beach several times too!
Judging by your description of yours runs, I'd say they'd be ideal for you.
For shoe bores like me, I got some Haglof "approach" shoes recently:
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They are the first pair of shoes of these type that I've had stick like sh1t to a blanket on wet rocks and grass. Heat moulded sole is brilliant (stick the sole in the oven then mould it) and very comfy.
A bit off topic but I'm very very impressed! They make Merrels look very silly indeed too.
Right, well I just bought some Innov8 shoes.
Came to work this morning for the week, then we're leaving from here to fly off on hols where my race is next week. So I was planning to do quite a few runs this week and then rest up next week. Only I forgot my shoes... Managed to get to a running shop but I really didn't want to buy a second pair of shoes the same so I got some trail shoes.
Very impressed with the soft upper and lacing system. Managed to mould it to my foot very snugly just by adjusting laces.
Doh! Which Inov8s? They do loads of "models!"