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He was alone in his first floor office after normal hours. He went to collect some documents from the printer. To do so, you have to walk past a large window. As he did so, he saw his own reflection and that of somebody standing behind him.
He quickly turned to see who it was but it, a 'shadowy form' disappeared down the front stairs. The MD followed it down in the reception area and searched the first floor offices. He found nothing and nobody.
Following this tale getting out, one of our sales engineers admitted to feeling an overwhelming sense of being watched by somebody close, behind him. He too was working alone one night in the first floor office. He was so shaken, he left and locked up without going to gents despite him being desperate for a pee.
When he got home his wife, who is some kind of spiritualist detected his unease. She "examined" him and said he'd been visited by the spirit of a caretaker who had died in the factory's boiler room.
Woooooooooooooooh. Has anybody else had similar experiences.
Our [b]apparently[/b] (level headed) MD
Our (level headed) MD saw a "ghost" last week!
He didn't.
Hope that helps.
Has anybody else had similar experiences?
yep. i've met lots of gullible idiots.
It's quite possible.
Who knows for sure what happens when you die.
Are you talking about the Bike Brand Ghost? I've yet to see one in real life.
If you've ruled out drug use (it is mushroom season after all) then contact the funny farm..
I was working night shift and we had some building work scheduled in an old studio. Work was to take place between 0100 and 0600 and the burly builders labourer type chap turned up and carted his drills and stuff up to the studio. About 15 minutes after he was due to start work he reappeared at reception, shared a cup of coffee with myself and a colleague and announced he was finished and headed home. Next day his boss informed me what had happened. Apparently as the chap began to drill into the thick wall the heavy soundproofed door to the studio opened. He assumed it was me or my colleague and went to the door. The door stayed open and the corridor was in darkness - meaning the PIR sensor hadnt activated the lights. He went back to work and immediatlely the temperature dropped to freezing - he said he could see his breath. At this point he put down his tools and came down to reception, had his coffee and went home. He never mentioned it to us but told his boss he would never go back to that building. Weeks later I spoke with him and he said he wasnt claiming to have seen a ghost -just stating exactlly what had happened
Why would a guy who works on building sites expose himself to ridicule?
So he doesn't have to go back to the place with the draught.
A door opens due to vibrations and the room goes cold shocker.
A couple of months ago a saw from my bedroom window a snow drift across the road. Wierdly it only occupied a few feet and everywhere else was just normal!, like some strange mini Artic blast.
Knowing absolutely no one would believe me, I rushed downstairs to take a picture of it , but when I went outside it had completely evaporated!
Now confused I stumbled up the stairs to look out the window again and noticed that the snow drift had now magically turned into the beam from the neighbours security light.
Pretty spooky paranormal activity and in no way related from leaving the pub next door at 2am.
Ghosts clearly do exist and because there's a video on the internet
If you've ruled out drug use (it is mushroom season after all) then contact the funny farm..
Why, lots and lots of people experience a hallucination once in their life. It's when it becomes a common occurrence that it's a problem, like seizures. Lot's of people get them once in their life, few go on to develop full blown epilepsy.
There are three possibilities.
1) Ghosts are real
2) Our senses perceive things that make us thing we're being watched or have seen a ghost
3) Something in our brains makes us think we've seen a ghost.
I know which of these is least likely.
The brain is a fantastic thing - for instance did you know that you actually only see a tiny area in focus at any one time, but your visual cortex and the surrounding areas are brilliant at filling in all the gaps in your sight and making a full image that you think you see, then identifying and tagging objects, colours, patterns and words in that image to help you make sense of what you're looking it. In fact it's so good at doing this job that it can get a bit carried away and tag a shape as something that it isn't, thus making you think you've seen things that weren't really there. Like ghosts.
A friend and I both "saw a ghost" when we were younger.
Long and protracted explanation as to what it was and how it came about, but basically I saw something completely inexplicable, didn't believe my eyes and felt it was too foolish to mention. A few days later my mate mentioned she'd seen something weird happen that night but felt too foolish to mention it at the time. I was able to complete her sentence - we'd seen the same thing.
As we're both relatively level headed human beings we've both shrugged it off as a thing that once happened that we have no explanation for. Boringly, for me "inexplicable" and "ghost" are not mutually inclusive. But the experience did make me sympathetic to people who claim to have seen a ghost.
The brain is a fantastic thing - for instance did you know that you actually only see a tiny area in focus at any one time, but your visual cortex and the surrounding areas are brilliant at filling in all the gaps in your sight and making a full image that you think you see, then identifying and tagging objects, colours, patterns and words in that image to help you make sense of what you're looking it. In fact it's so good at doing this job that it can get a bit carried away and tag a shape as something that it isn't, thus making you think you've seen things that weren't really there. Like ghosts.
Yup, your eyes and brain are always looking for movement above everything else. Why? It's looking for potential threats within the environment.
I'm guessing parts of the visual cortex can get lit up for whatever reason, abnormal electrical activity etc causing people to see fuzzy forms.
Another topic that I am going to have to read up about.
Off course there are ghosts / spirits / afterlife ... 🙄
When he got home his wife, who is some kind of spiritualist detected his unease. She "examined" him and said he'd been visited by the spirit of a caretaker who had died in the factory's boiler room.
Sounds like a plot line from Scooby Doo.
Hold on a minute..
Did you say that he's level-headed but that his wife is 'some sort of spiritualist'?
Something doesn't add up there
Love a few ghost stories before heading out on my solo night ride...
When he got home his wife, who is some kind of spiritualist detected his unease. She "examined" him and said he'd been visited by the spirit of a caretaker who had died in the factory's boiler room.
Brilliant 
Has anybody else had similar experiences.
Yes many times as my mum used to drag me to mediums and spiritualists all the time when i was younger*
Genuine but wrong just like the religious.
Rhandi prize still available for anyone who can prove anything supernatural as it is all bobbins
* no she did not think i was possessed 😉
To all them that don't believe, why couldn't there be such things as ghosts or aliens? I appreciate that most people who say they've seen one probably haven't but what makes the sceptics so damn sure that there is no such thing? There is no proof to prove not?
I cannot judge myself cos I've never seen one but why do non believers think you have to be mad or something to believe, I honestly can't say I'm a believer but then again I can't say I don't believe, the truth is nobody knows.
To all them that don't believe, why couldn't there be such things as ghosts or aliens? I appreciate that most people who say they've seen one probably haven't but what makes the sceptics so damn sure that there is no such thing? There is no proof to prove not?
I cannot judge myself cos I've never seen one but why do non believers think you have to be mad or something to believe, I honestly can't say I'm a believer but then again I can't say I don't believe, the truth is nobody knows.
Occam's Razor.
It's quite possible.
Who knows for sure what happens when you die.
On that basis, elephants that turn orange and fly around in circles (but only when not being watched or recorded) are also quite possible. However, here in the real world where repeatable peer reviewed facts and solid evidence are the name of the game...
As I've said before, mankind's greatest gift is also sometimes its greatest downfall. Imagination.
.... the truth is nobody knows.
But I'm still fairly happy to go out on a limb and say there's no ghosts.
I'm not saying those that have "seen" them are liars* or that they are crazy.
They are just wrong.
(* apart from the mediums and spiritualists etc. they are just liars. Or crazy)
There is no proof to prove not?
you cannot prove a negative - that is if i make something up you cannot prove I did only that their is no evidence to support it. If you wish to sit on the fence about everything we cannot prove to be false then you have to believe in everything that is made up. its not the best way to find truth
the truth is nobody knows.
the truth is you are clutching at straws here
FWIW houdini insisted if anyone could escape death he could. he had a yearly seance and no one ever gave the code word he said he would use.
Yup, I used to work in a haunted pub. It was a 14th Century (that's the 1300's) building so I guess there's a good chance it was haunted.
One of the rooms at the old end was much damper and colder than all the others and that's the room you could often sense someone watching you.
There was an old staircase next to this room that was locked at the bottom and the top, yet you'd often hear footsteps on it.
We'd sometimes get ghost fans staying over and they'd often take pictures of orbs flying about in the main dining room.
Whereas I'm more than happy to assert that believers are stark raving bonkers
There is no proof to prove not?
Ron70, you got that £100,000 you owe me? I mean, you can't prove you don't owe it to me can you? 😉
To all them that don't believe, why couldn't there be such things as ghosts or aliens?
Hmmm well you're conflating two entirely different things into one question there - anyway.
Ghosts: Before posing the question, first you've got to define what a ghost is. Once you've done that, come back with what a ghost is, then will be in a better position to debate if they exist or not.
Aliens: Quite possibly exist, but if they do, slightly odd that they always seem only visit people in Arkansas and fly about in spaceships that resemble whatever popular society currently thinks spaceships should look like.
Yup, I used to work in a haunted pub. It was a 14th Century (that's the 1300's) building so I guess there's a good chance it was haunted.
Same chance as a pub built yesterday. No chance.
Same chance as a pub built yesterday. No chance.
Unless the pub build yesterday was built on an old cemetery or something, then I can't see how it'd be haunted.
The old pub (ex coach house) has seen 700 years worth of life and death. I think there's a better chance of one of those spirits coming back to haunt it
What is [b]the[/b] truth? Given that the observer changes the reality, none of us have any idea what the real truth is.
Does it matter? No. We all make our own world through the ways we each choose to react to stuff that happens to us and therefore each truth is as valid as the other. To openly deny someone of their own version of their truth/world is deeply disrespectful.
In an infinite Universe, there are an infinite number of possibilities, of which, we are one of them.
& while we are at it. Why do ghosts only communicate through mediums? Can't they manage a large?
Unless the pub build yesterday was built on an old cemetery or something, then I can't see how it'd be haunted.
Oooh on an old Indian Burial ground.
What is the truth? Given that the observer changes the reality, none of us have any idea what the real truth is.Does it matter? No. We all make our own world through the ways we each choose to react to stuff that happens to us and therefore each truth is as valid as the other. To openly deny someone of their own version of their truth/world is deeply disrespectful.
Exactly. I'm sure there's plenty of bitter non-believers on here who choose to ignore all those "bumps in the night" and instead come up with some completely boring rational explanation for them. You've got to open your mind and want to believe.
..You've got to open your mind and want to believe.
That makes no sense.
You need to "want to believe"
That already the opposite of "open minded"
What you are saying is that you have already made your mind up, and are looking for evidence to prove yourself right.
That makes no sense.
Just open your mind, it'll all become clear.
What is the truth? Given that the observer changes the reality, none of us have any idea what the real truth is.
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Junkyard - lazarusThere is no proof to prove not?
you cannot prove a negative - that is if i make something up you cannot prove I did only that their is no evidence to support it. If you wish to sit on the fence about everything we cannot prove to be false then you have to believe in everything that is made up. its not the best way to find truth
the truth is nobody knows.
the truth is you are clutching at straws here
FWIW houdini insisted if anyone could escape death he could. he had a yearly seance and no one ever gave the code word he said he would use.
HHhhmmmm ... the scientific approach can be rather irrational at times. If science is rational does it not require to take into account all the probabilities regardless or rationality?
Ya, science is rational but the people who apply scientific approach are unable to handle it. i.e. human brain is incapable of being rational no matter how you try. So in order to make it "rational" the parameters are narrowed down to areas of higher possibilities so that our brain can digest the information or to help us manage to information ...
Yes, science ... the reduction of possibilities.
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What is the truth? Given that the observer changes the reality, none of us have any idea what the real truth is.
Psuedo philosophical nonsense.
Does it matter? No.
Brilliant see that bike you think is yours well in my reality its mine now give it here sweetheart- it does not matter does it?
We all make our own world through the ways we each choose to react to stuff that happens to us and therefore each truth is as valid as the other.
No some is just utterly wrong, we section them when it goes to far from reality for example,so they are not at all equally valid
To openly deny someone of their own version of their truth/world is deeply disrespectful.
So I can never ever say someone is wrong - you are denying me my version of reality now and I find that deeply disrespectful ...we have a contradiction already with this well thought out ethos
In an infinite Universe, there are an infinite number of possibilities, of which, we are one of them.
Yes like dude wow man that like so insightful dude.
The universe is not infinite, we are not possiblities but actualities [ we are real you know ] but lets not let facts get in the way here eh
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If science is rational does it not require to take into account all the probabilities regardless or rationality?
Rationality is linked to probability. If it's highly improbable or statistically insignificant, it's ignored as being an irrational viewpoint. Why would you still consider a possibility that has proven to be ridiculously low? Otherwise everything becomes potentially possible and nothing within science works.
Yes, science ... the reduction of possibilities.
Of course it narrows possibilities as it is trying to remove the things that are wrong from the things that are right.
Anything is possible even you make a coherent point or me using punctuation 😉
What's the spiritual explanation for the fact that none of this woo is repeatable or measurable under controlled conditions? Are ghosts scared of white coats? If so, why do they wear them!
Seriously science proves **** all.
If it exists in your mind then I think you'll agree it exists.
Although if you've never opened your mind then you might struggle with this concept.
Actually I bet you could repeat it if you stuck some electrodes inside someones head and ran a current through part of their brain.
Although if you've never opened your mind then you might struggle with this concept.
No, I've just never taken acid. Yes, we might be a simulation inside an alien supercomputer but scientists hilariously, are testing that.
If it exists in your mind then I think you'll agree it exists.
What kind of Matrix crap is this? If it exists in your brain but not outside of it then this is a hallucination. Matter outside of our brain exists. Unless that is, we are living in a simulation.
top trollin david but getting a bit obvious now
The old pub (ex coach house) has seen 700 years worth of life and death. I think there's a better chance of one of those spirits coming back to haunt it
To be fair there have been a few occasions when spirits have come back to haunt me after a night in an old pub.
What kind of Matrix crap is this? If it exists in your brain but not outside of it then this is a hallucination. Matter outside of our brain exists. Unless that is, we are living in a simulation.
Things exist to us cos we can see them or touch them or hear them etc.
So if you see or hear soemthing so vividly that you think it's real then to you it exists. Even if no one else can see it!
Edit - Very good Bregante
Things exist to us cos we can see them or touch them or hear them etc.So if you see or hear soemthing so vividly that you think it's real then to you it exists. Even if no one else can see it!
And they don't stop existing if you are blind, deaf and have no sense of touch.
You have a very human centric view of the universe.
We oy have our memories to go on. So how do you know if something you saw yesterday is not just a false memory? You don't.
Anyway. What's alll this about 'sensing' you are being watched? You can't sense if someone is watching you. I watch people all the time, they never turn around. You sometimes realise someone is behind you when they make a noise or something but that is not the same.
So this ghostly sensing of being watched is clearly something else.
. 😀You have a very human centric view of the universe.
And our science isn't?
molgrips - MemberWe oy have our memories to go on. So how do you know if something you saw yesterday is not just a false memory? You don't.
Is there such thing as memory?
What is it anyway? Can you touch it? Or is it merely an assumption of electric pulses?
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it's all just glitches in the matrix.
Is there such thing as memory?What is it anyway? Can you touch it? Or is it merely an assumption of electric pulses?
Yes. A bunch of neurones structured together. Suppose you could touch it. Well yes.
Drac - ModeratorIs there such thing as memory?
What is it anyway? Can you touch it? Or is it merely an assumption of electric pulses?
Yes. A bunch of neurones structured together. Suppose you could touch it. Well yes
Neurones? You can touch it? How? Are all neurones the same?
Are Neurones a bit like ghosts?
Doesn't matter what smart arse answer you come up with...you won't know for sure till yer dead! 8)
Much of our science is not human centric. A proton is a proton wherever you are in the universe, and protons were still protons billions of years before humans ever existed.
Seriously science proves **** all.
Please tell me you're drunk or on heavy medication?
Science has shown things to be almost certainly true before they were actually discoverer to be true. Many times over.
Is there such thing as memory?
Well you seem to recall how to type, english and this thread so i will go out on a limb here and suggest that there is such a thing as memory
TuckerUK - MemberSeriously science proves **** all.
Please tell me you're drunk or on heavy medication?
Science has shown things to be almost certainly true before they were actually discoverer to be true. Many times over.
er ... some parts are true but not all.
pussywillow - MemberDoesn't matter what smart arse answer you come up with...you won't know for sure till yer dead!
They all turn into carbon ash but too late ...
I just measnt with regards to this thread.
They still havent managed to prove god doesnt exist though 😉
I saw a documentary ' Ghost Busters.' on Channel 4 a few years back. Seemed pretty convincing to me.
Never touched Marshed Mallows since....
Junkyard - lazarusIs there such thing as memory?
Well you seem to recall how to type, english and this thread so i will go out on a limb here and suggest that there is such a thing as memory
Well, that does not explain things ...
If neurones are the same shouldn't we agree with each other or think alike?
davidtaylforth - MemberI just measnt with regards to this thread.
They still havent managed to prove god doesnt exist though
Creator god does not exist so are science of knowing all.
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Ignoring the moving of the goalposts thinking differently does not mean we have "different neurons" but it does mean we are not identical- is this a surprise to you?
You think everyone has different neurons rather than different patterns of neuronal connections your not a neuroscientist by any chance are you?
Ps those different patterns are typically called learning and memory
some parts are true but not all.
if this was not the case we would have no need for science as we would know everything already. this is not a surprise or weakness of science. What science is is the best method of finding these truths. It may take some time to get them all 😉
If neurones are the same shouldn't we agree with each other or think alike?
Face, meet palm. And I'm out.
Stop talking science and give me a good ghost story someone please? My rational mind says it can't be true but I still enjoy hearing them. I like those creepy photo's like the one with the pilots. Behind someone you can see the face of an engineer who had been killed a few days before.
Junkyard - lazarus
There is no proof to prove not?you cannot prove a negative - that is if i make something up you cannot prove I did only that their is no evidence to support it.[b] If you wish to sit on the fence about everything we cannot prove to be false then you have to believe in everything that is made up. its not the best way to find truth[/b]
the truth is nobody knows.
the truth is you are clutching at straws here
FWIW houdini insisted if anyone could escape death he could. he had a yearly seance and no one ever gave the code word he said he would use.
Ok,, I would have to say something inside me believes there is something that carries on after we die, some form of energy, my mind is open to all possibilities, who knows
As for Houdini, who knows, maybe he went to a different realm or platue whatever it might be 😀
Ok,, I would have to say something inside me believes there is something that carries on after we die, some form of energy, my mind is open to all possibilities, who knows
As for Houdini, who knows, maybe he went to a different realm or platue whatever it might be
On the other hand I'm at peace with there being nothing.
thepurist - MemberIf neurones are the same shouldn't we agree with each other or think alike?
Face, meet palm. And I'm out.
Well, we all have them but why are we so different? Explain. 🙄
You mean neurones have personality? That would be weird like having someone else in your head is it not?
not a ghost story as such, but my father died back in march. The night he died my son had a dream about dad where he said "Goodbye" which woke him up immediately and he woke his girl friend to tell her about it. I rang him in the morning to tell him his grandad had died to which he replied "I know" and telling me about the dream. Though quite "spooky" my father was very ill and not expected to live much longer and with all that going on there's probably no surprise something like that turning up in your subconscious.
Chewkw, are you asking a serious question?
When he got home his wife, who is some kind of spiritualist
I expect she hasn't, at any time, had any influence on his state of mind at all...
No two neurones are exactly the same, all neurones react slightly differently to the same stimuli - even those within the same group. However, neuronal networks as a whole in all likelihood contribute more to personality than neurones themselves do.
You're entering a complex field and the questions being asked are rather simplistic and silly.
And yes, memories exist. Like the contents of your hard drive exist. For example, MRI studies can now be undertaken to examine spatial memory and even make predictions.
On the other hand I'm at peace with there being nothing
That is good you are, because there might be nothing, and I would too be at piece with that 🙂