listening to kellner speaking about that poll just now, ignore, it's irrelevant.
its our last chance to criticise a poll so get in 😛
A poll taken by YouGov after people voted in the Scottish referendum predicts a victory for No by 54% to 46% for Yes. The survey involved 1,828 people after they voted today, together with the postal votes of 800 people, and was not a traditional exit poll.
Yeah basically it doesn't mean a lot
Phew, I nearly went to bed there! Another beer opened instead 😀
Saw Yes campaigners to day but no No ones, so I guess the answer is yes for yes, but no for No
Saw lots of No people out campaigning today.
My night is spoiled already,Jellybaby frickin Vine. 👿 shite.
As important as tonight is,I would rather stab myself in the eyes than watch that ****er.
In Edinburgh today there were loads of Catalan people milling around parliament square. No campaigners on GV bridge and yes on S Clerk st.
FFS its a No because drawing imaginary lines on a little Island is about as sensible as believing in fairies in the sky who write books.
It might have been about the campaigns. Yes was about passion and a belief that things can be better. No was about focus groups, meetings and inclusiveness, so by the time a decision's been made, the marketing people briefed and ... oh is that it all over already?
FFS its a No because drawing imaginary lines on a little Island is about as sensible as believing in fairies in the sky who write books.
..because there's no such thing as internatational borders anywhere else in the world, right?
Never understood why he uses Vine on the BBC / R2 and Kyle on ITV.
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Ok off to bed, alarm set for 4.30,I voted yes, wonder if I'll get my "new" country. Wonder if I'll get any sleep.
Big hug to everyone x
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Aye, all the best to everyone on here, even the xenophobes. Whatever the result, take care folks. I'm off to the lakes for a cross border raid weekend, I shall pillage your trails, and swallow your ales.... 😀
had a funny realization just now that the result I wanted was Yes, but for me to have been reluctantly taken along with it. however, as it's not me that would pay the price of the decision, I'm not so bothered.
Reading the BBC coverage it seems the Labour No's are quietly/nervously confident which is interesting. SNP talking about
In terms of what that means, politics has changed as a result of the referendum.
To me it means the numbers are sliding more to a no but anything could happen.
One aside
Welcome to the United States of Great Britain 🙁Conservative MP John Redwood tells the BBC's Andrew Neil at Westminster that, if there is a "No" victory, "every power that goes to Scotland must be matched by the same power coming to England".
If YouGov is right and it's a clear no then it'll be interesting to look at the age breakdown.
If yes was mainly younger voters and no was mainly older voters then all the Yes camp have to do is hold another referendum in 10 years time and there'll be a yes.
Although I still think it would be a good idea to actually agree with Westminster what's on offer before asking the people to make such a massive decision...
Reading the BBC coverage
Your first mistake. 😀
Just got in from a wee trip overseas to see the dreadful result - what were the R&A thinking?
Hopefully, the less important one has a better (together) result. Enjoy your hangovers everyone. Good night!
"every power that goes to Scotland must be matched by the same power coming to England".
Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. Although if 5 million Scots are entitled their own parliament then the English regions, representing a total of 50 million people, are entitled to theirs too - not just one English parliament in London.
Unfortunately the Tories won't like that idea and Labour have always been pisspoor on the need for an English parliament never mind English regional parliaments.
Edit : TBF Labour did give the North East the opportunity to move in that direction, so I'll correct myself on that last point.
what were the R&A thinking?
that it's the 21st century and it's time they woke up to that?
Nobeerinthefridge - Member
Reading the BBC coverage
Your first mistake.
Of course, which Yes! biased site should I be using 🙂
"every power that goes to Scotland must be matched by the same power coming to England".
All for that, but I can't see an independant England working out
Welcome to the United States of Great Britain
The American system is actually great. It's just the voters are a bunch of tools.
Accident on the Berridale Braes will delay arrival of Caithness votes by 1.5 - 2 hrs.
Really, multiple states all with the ability to set their own laws at times in conflict with a central government, different tax systems competing against each other? Living in a federal system here in Oz I see the disadvantages all the time, more duplication, more waste & less direction. If you give each region autonomy you need to give it enough powers to not just be a pointless set of elected officials with the power to do nothing - a glorified parish council. If you give them all the powers then it can all get messy as Yorkshire cuts 0.5% off corp tax but increases VAT by 1% whereas Lancs does the opposite and the speed limit changes between England & Wales along with a few other things that seem popular locally.
Really, multiple states all with the ability to set their own laws at times in conflict with a central government, different tax systems competing against each other? Living in a federal system here in Oz I see the disadvantages all the time, more duplication, more waste & less direction. If you give each region autonomy you need to give it enough powers to not just be a pointless set of elected officials with the power to do nothing - a glorified parish council. If you give them all the powers then it can all get messy as Yorkshire cuts 0.5% off corp tax but increases VAT by 1% whereas Lancs does the opposite and the speed limit changes between England & Wales along with a few other things that seem popular locally.
The counter argument to that is that central government doesn't always know what's best for territory on the periphery of it's locus of control.
Separation of powers also makes it harder for bad laws to be passed and for one man to take us all to war.
It's about time legislation was harder to pass, so we get some legislative and policy stability for once. Elected Lords with more powers and an English Parliament please. With a smaller Westminster dealing with national policy only.
Accident on the Berridale Braes will delay arrival of Caithness votes by 1.5 - 2 hrs.
Tsk,bloody sheep on the road again 🙂
Most advanced democracies now have regional assemblies. Even France which once epitomised napoleonic centralised bureaucracy.
In some cases that is right Tom, but the UK population is give or take the same as California & Texas added together, geographically everything is actually next door to each other and there is already a huge amount of regional government.
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The UK barely covers the slightly populated bit of Western Australia.
You can't really compare Europe to the outback though can you Mike? 🙂
Size isn't everything,it's all about content 😉
he speed limit changes between England & Wales along with a few other things that seem popular locally.
I understand Wales are considering a law that you have to wait your turn in the queue when overtaking
Signed up to Twitter tonight to follow this and found this on the Sky News feed. Guess we can tell which way it's going to go
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Absolutely, there are huge regional differences across places like the US and Australia, in reality there are not that many across the UK (I've lived in a fair few parts of it) I'm all for getting the right things done for the right areas, but adding another level of politics and electioneering to the mix doesn't make sense to me. For all the we can vote for who we want stuff the same tricks will be pulled, the same broken promises and unfunded ideas run out to get elected. Yes you can feel happy knowing you are being screwed over by one of your own but then separate regions all pulling against each other commissioning the same stuff differently, not joining up or playing ball on serious things like roads & rail and putting being reelected locally ahead of what is right for the nation as a whole.
Just watching the turnout reports coming through and thinking, in a nutshell, jesus ****ing christ. It'd be nice if we could just pause it all here for a month or so and say "Yes and No voters, look what you did together".
OH MY ARSE IS INCREDIBLY ITCHY EVERYONE LOOK AWAY NOW
Just watching the turnout reports coming through and thinking, in a nutshell, jesus **** christ. It'd be nice if we could just pause it all here for a month or so and say "Yes and No voters, look what you did together".
Quite, it's something when you think 78% (my local) turnout is poor
adding another level of politics and electioneering to the mix doesn't make sense to me
except we're not. We currently have Scottish, Westminster and Brussels representation. With independance we lose Westminster (which, in case you missed it, is the point of the referendum) so one less level of politics. Having got the basics wrong, I didn't bother with the rest of your post
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Ben Coopers on TV!! 🙂
O voters of Scotland
When will we see your like again
That debated and cried for
Your wee bit hill and glen
And stood against them
Bland David's army
And sent him homeward
Tae think again
Regardless of the result in a few hours,a message has been sent.
Well done to all you folk that stood up to be counted.
Well done for caring about more than the day to day .
Most of all,well done for putting some great passion in to politics.
Thank you
[i]Yes ,I have had a few malts[/i] 🙂
Having got the basics wrong, I didn't bother with the rest of your post
Which was referring back to the point the John Redwood made
Conservative MP John Redwood tells the BBC's Andrew Neil at Westminster that, if there is a "No" victory, "every power that goes to Scotland must be matched by the same power coming to England".
and the desire for regional assembles that some think will come from a Yes vote or a No vote and any more transfer of power to one region over the next. It was bout the potential for a more federal UK. If you read up the page a bit the context is all there, I could have quoted it all but it seemed a bit pointless for people who were reading the whole thread not just points in it.
hegdehog - Member
Ben Coopers on TV!!
I did wonder if it was the same fella
Having got the basics wrong, I didn't bother with the rest of your post
If you had read the rest of his post you might have perhaps realised that he was talking about "separate regions" not Scotland.
