[Closed] Osbourne says no to currency union.

I think a No vote is probably less disappointing, on aggregate- the Yes campaign already won the consolation prize (assuming, for the moment, that the promises are delivered), and lets be honest, most of us never expected to be this close in the first place. We still get to say "Wow, we came really close despite it all" and "Well they said we couldn't have devo max but we took it anyway". And then cap it off with NEXT TIME.

No voters don't get any consolation at all in the event of a Yes. I'd definitely rather be a disappointed Yes than a disappointed No, that'll be a bitter pill. Anyone else?

Well the advantage of being a yes voter is that you get to be disappointed either way 😉

I will bet anyone 50p Scotland will still be part of the UK after this vote.

50 English Pence or 50 Scottish Pence?

My personal opinion is that only about a third of the voters on each side will be really disappointed if the result goes against them. I think for the other two thirds it will range from minor disappointment to a fleeting feeling of oh well that's that then. The large number of undecideds and those that come out with the line my heart says ... but my head says ... suggests a large proportion of voters who could have went either way and could live happily enough with either result.

All this talk of half the population will be devastated one way or the other and deep divisions will rumble on is misplaced and not reflective of what is actually happening at all.

aracer - Member

Well the advantage of being a yes voter is that you get to be disappointed either way

It's all win, this Yes lark. Not too late folks!

wilburt - Member
I will bet anyone 50p Scotland will still be part of the UK after this vote.

unfortunately i'm only good for 50p, so your original wager is accepted

grahamt1980 - Member
Kona bunny please feel free to come up with whatever version of reality suits you. But please try to use a slightly higher level of intelligence when you post.
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On yer marks, get set.........GO

On yer marks, get set.........GO

Polls don't open till 7 do they?

Unless they've pre-emptively adopted a different time zone and it's 7 already 🙂

Yeah hang on keen lad, I'm still in my towel eating my breakfast.

Konabunny. You are showing your prejudice again. Please show me where I said anything about anti english. I said anyone but the Scottish.

Have a good day anyway.

Re Northwind; I would agree;what an opportunity,short term pain for long term gain.I believe the UK is on a downward spiral where it is increasingly contracting South with an impact on not just us,but Northern England as well; HS2 anybody? I have some guilt in leaving folks in the North of England to the whims of London,but hope MT's free Yorkshire campaign gathers pace.
Since we are doing bets,would any of the many non voters on here care to bet their houses on the new powers granted ever being in a queens speech? didn't think so! When,not if,the promises are broken we will do it all over again.We need 40-45% to keep it an issue,NO needs over 60% to kill it.

I hope every voter has a peaceful and pleasant day.

OK yes voters Let's do this thing.

At the age of 52 I have been up since 530 excited to be able to vote in this referendum. Unable to sleep. I can confidently predict that will never happen again in my lifetime 😀

Unfortunately, this all obscures the most important vote of the day in a wee corner of Fife.

Will the R&A cow-tow to corporate sponsorship BS and pander to the PC brigade. Bloody HSBC driving this nonsense with their Open sponsorship.

Vote No gentleman - you are one of the best in the world at what you do. Woman and golf clubs, you are asking for trouble 😉

THM 😀 A good day for burying news.

Time to go put an X in a box.
Good luck people.

It's interesting, after talking to lots of people both Yes and No, ive come to a general conclusion: people vote No for selfish reasons, and vote Yes for altruistic ones

Only if you spin it that way.

"Would you like to go into that cage with that hungry lion?"
"No thanks"
"Selfish! You're just looking after your own skin!"
"It's dangerous"
"You're just afraid!"
"The lion will eat me"
"You're scaremongering!"

See how easy it is?

Does anyone know if No voters have said they'll move South in the event of a Yes?

I do hope they read out the result in an X factor style with salmond and darling standing next to each other and then they have a hug afterwards.
Of course there will be a 3:minute drum roll before Vernon Kay gives the result.

Mol, we were talking about that this week. So far there are 6 planning on moving south of the border with quite a few more I'd imagine, me included. It could be worrying for/if independence happens as highish earners make plans. Those 6 folk are probably on 1m+ combined, that's a lot of tax.

I'd be a bit worried about the economic shit hitting the fan if I were in Scotland. Of course, if it actually does, then there could be a significant economic migration.

Does anyone know if No voters have said they'll move South in the event of a Yes?

And are the Yes voters all gonna jump into the sea in the event of a No?

I'd be a bit worried about the economic shit hitting the fan if I were in Scotland. Of course, if it actually does, then there could be a significant economic migration.

Not if they're neither part of the UK or in the EU - they'll exceed the Gov'ts immigration quota for non-EU citizens. 😉

See how easy it is?

[quote=molgrips said]I'd be a bit worried about the economic shit hitting the fan if I were in Scotland. Of course, if it actually does, then there could be a significant economic migration.

See you just did it - a vote yes = economic mess and migration FACEPALM
oh and in true molgrips fashion what do you mean by significant and can i get - an exact[ish] number please for your prediction.
Molly - you just did what they said you do after denying it

At the age of 52 I have been up since 530 excited to be able to vote in this referendum. Unable to sleep. I can confidently predict that will never happen again in my lifetime

JY an independent Scotland is going to be a much "fairer" place remember so the unemployed/low paid will be attracted and the medium and high paid discouraged.

I very much doubt there will be an immediate population shift, it would take place over a few years. If there is a Yes vote I plan to visit Scotland prior to independence so I can complete my challenge of climbing the highest peaks in UK whilst Ben Nevis is still in the UK, plus a last chance to spend some money and pay some VAT to the UK.

Well yes with somethign that will be fatal - ar eyou suggesting it is that level of stupidity to vote for independence ?

No of course not - it's an example of how you can twist things - in this case it's obvious, but in the referendum it's not so obvious. But it's exactly what people are doing.

See you just did it - a vote yes = economic mess and migration FACEPALM

Well, not quite. I didn't say anything other than my personal opinion - I would be worried, this is a fact. I see what you mean there but it's more of a grey area. I'm not in fact making proclamations or character slurs, like some people are.

oh and in true molgrips fashion what do you mean by significant

Just dictionary - significant means enough to make a difference. But again, step back - I said "could", because I have no idea if it would really happen. Remember, I'm just a bloke thikning about the issues, I'm not a campaigning politician on a soapbox.

Molly - you just did what they said you do after denying it

Hmm.. interesting, denying it? You think by pointing this out, I'm implying that I'm above it? This is not a personal thing, Junkyard. You miss my point entirely. In fact, if you read back a few pages I specifically include myself in these observations.

Not if they're neither part of the UK or in the EU - they'll exceed the Gov'ts immigration quota for non-EU citizens.

Didn't we recently have even *EU* citizens (Bulgaria) having restricted rights to work in the UK?

jambalaya - Member
JY an independent Scotland is going to be a much "fairer" place remember so the unemployed/low paid will be attracted and the medium and high paid discouraged.

I'm not in fact making proclamations

Just dictionary

Andy Murray has come out as a Yes, citing 'no campaign negativity' as reason [I don't think he has a vote, being a non-resident].

I've heard this a lot, but the more I think about it the more it sounds a strange way to decide, i.e. to make your decision based on the effectiveness or likeability of the salesman rather than the quality of the product.
We probably all do it to some extent in general life - I suppose it's called marketing, but with a decision as big as this it is worrying.

I've got absolutely no idea what you are talking about Junkyard, sorry.

Andy Murray has come out as a Yes, citing 'no campaign negativity' as reason

This is basically what I'm talking about. People warning of problems just get accused of negativity. If there really are problems, how can you point them out without being negative?

Sometimes negativity is the right position.

Surely by very definition "No" is negative. 🙂

juanking - Member
Mol, we were talking about that this week. So far there are 6 planning on moving south of the border with quite a few more I'd imagine, me included. It could be worrying for/if independence happens as highish earners make plans. Those 6 folk are probably on 1m+ combined, that's a lot of tax.

No one is indispensable. Someone will fill the gap, so when I say you won't be missed, I don't mean it in a personal manner.

The same applies to any business that heads south.

Polling booths busy bang on 7:00 am. Never seen it like that before.

I could add another 3 to that number.

Well, only because of the way the question is phrased. Perhaps if they'd asked "Should Scotland remain in the union?" then the nationalists would have been negative, and it would all have been different 🙂

(seriously though - it's well known that the way questions are phrased has a significant effect on surveys and polls)

Andy Murray has come out as a Yes, citing 'no campaign negativity' as reason [I don't think he has a vote, being a non-resident].

If the vote is No Gordon Brown quite rightly should take a lot of credit. His intervention has been timely and very powerful.

Good old Gordon. No stranger to false promises himself, 10p tax rate anyone?.

Well, that was really exciting, been waiting ages to do that and finally done it - and the experience is, well, overwhelming.

Just installed iOS8.

Fully understand what you are saying Epic, the difference is they/we would still work for the same global multinational but just not based from Scotland. Oh and BTW Oil and Gas sector, not as if what we do is important to iS, we are the cherry on the cake. The most staunch No men here are folk who are coming up to retirement, they are bricking it.

molgrips - Member
Well, only because of the way the question is phrased. Perhaps if they'd asked "Should Scotland remain in the union?" then the nationalists would have been negative, and it would all have been different

Quite. Still it's better than the SNP ministers' first attempt of "Do you agree that Scotland should be an independent country"

I suspect GB has been under far less pressure to fit into a party this time and has consequently spoken from the heart which I think is in the right place. Politics is a machine, and you have to fit into it as many good people have found to their cost.

Well, that was really exciting, been waiting ages to do that and finally done it - and the experience is, well, overwhelming.

Just installed iOS8.

The most staunch No men here are folk who are coming up to retirement, they are bricking it.