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Aye, it's a lovely building - I got some pictures from inside a couple of weeks ago:
http://catchingphotons.co.uk/blog/miscellaneous/springbank-public-school/
Sadly Glasgow is full of old schools like this, with no money to look after them and no interest from anyone in redeveloping them.
Sadly Glasgow is full of old schools like this, with no money to look after them and no interest from anyone in redeveloping them.
Shame to destroy your heritage, mind you the Scots seem to have lost the ability to learn from history .... 😉
Glasgow has always been far too keen to tear down old buildings and build new ones. Or were you talking about something else? 😉
@kimbers, very good.
@ben, the council should put preservation orders on them and convert into social housing using public money. Congrats on abandoning "right to buy" btw, a good move.
The UK election is not going to get delayed. It will either take place with Scotland excluded (after passing some specific legislation and this is my preferred scenario) or it will take place with Scottish MPs dropping out from voting once Independence is concluded.
...while the City now appears to have woken up to the possibility of a Yes victory, it’s not uncertainty over Scotland’s future that’s troubling them.Tucked away in the Financial Times’ report earlier in the week was the giveaway. “Currency investors” would apparently be “particularly concerned by the UK’s persistent current account deficit if this were no longer offset by North Sea oil revenues.”
http://www.neweconomics.org/blog/entry/scottish-independence-uk-dependency
Well worth a read...
@ben, the council should put preservation orders on them and convert into social housing using public money.
Yes, well that's Glasgow CC for you - easier to let them rot away and be demolished than come up with creative uses for them. There's another one just up the road, [url= http://catchingphotons.co.uk/blog/miscellaneous/shakespeare-street-school/ ]Shakespeare Street School[/url], which they've been trying to sell for years.
Bugger all the economic data! There's no need to carefully count or assess long reports.
I just watched the future deputy leader of the next coalition* govt being interviewed in the USA.
Mr Farage is dead keen to strip away much of Scotland's share of the UK govt's expenditure. That of course, will only be possible if we vote No.
Now seeing as Boris (next PM) is saying much the same, I very much doubt that Scotland's one and only Tory MP is going to be able to reverse this trend.
So it looks like a No vote will lead to even worse consequences than the doom foretold for us if we go independent.
Accept the lesser doom, vote Yes!
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*Tory/UKIP alliance.
So.. with the oil then.. isn't it being extracted by private companies? What revenue does the govt get? And surely some of the companies involved with extraction and refining are British?
Have we "done" home page STW poll ? Rough stats based on Scot v non Scot. Seems fair representation to me
Scots
No 55%, Yes 45% (for scots, so not so far from real polls)
Non Scots
No 55%
Yes 18%
don't know/care 27%
I think those North of the border should thank Cameron as these results would suggests most of the UK electorate wouldn't be in favour of an iS and thus would probably not have granted a referendum.
I wonder how many 'undecideds' and 'nos' would rethink their position, if the question on the 18th was rephrased, "Should Scotland be an independent country from a Tory/UKIP coalition, led by Boris and Nige?"
Bugger all the economic data! There's no need to carefully count or assess long reports.I just watched the future deputy leader of the next coalition* govt being interviewed in the USA.
Mr Farage is dead keen to strip away much of Scotland's share of the UK govt's expenditure. That of course, will only be possible if we vote No.
Now seeing as Boris (next PM) is saying much the same, I very much doubt that Scotland's one and only Tory MP is going to be able to reverse this trend.
So it looks like a No vote will lead to even worse consequences than the doom foretold for us if we go independent.
Accept the lesser doom, vote Yes!
vote yes for project feart
@molgrips, yes that's right the government typically just takes a cut (10%?) plus sells the upfront licence/mineral rights (this is highly dependent on how difficult the oil is to extract). In tin pot countries they then nationalise the oil field once the foreign company has finished building all the infrastructure, so that's an option for Scotland then 😉
Scots
No 55%, Yes 45%
Not on this thread though 🙂
I wonder how many 'undecideds' and 'nos' would rethink their position, if the question on the 18th was rephrased, "Should Scotland be an independent country from a Tory/UKIP coalition, led by Boris and Nige?"
Wait, you can't have it both ways! You can't deflect criticism of Salmond by saying 'oh it's not about the current politicians' then stir up yes sentiment by quoting the current politicians!
You can't deflect criticism of Salmond by saying 'oh it's not about the current politicians' then stir up yes sentiment by quoting the current politicians!
Sure you can - the current political system brought us the politicians we've got. We're voting for a new political system, not for any particular politicians.
Why does the Home Page poll count Scottish people separately?
the current political system brought us the politicians we've got
No, the electorate did.
The electorate's minds can be changed fairly easily.
Sure you can - the current political system brought us the politicians we've got. We're voting for a new political system, not for any particular politicians.
it's sort of an interesting view that political discourse is determined by the institutions and not the people that inhabit them. (that's not a criticism).
The institutions set limits on the discourse - in the case of Westminster, it means that only a narrow set of right-wing views are heard.
I've just voted
Takes the STW independence poll to 52 / 48.
Come on we can do it! 😀
We're voting for a new political system, not for any particular politicians.
@ben surely you going to get pretty much the same system you have already just with the Scottish Parliament only. I have to think you are going to be very dissappointed if you think the actual system is going to change. You are going to have the same career politicians working with the same real world problems as the every other country making pretty much the same choices as do all the others.
The institutions set limits on the discourse - in the case of Westminster, it means that only a narrow set of right-wing views are heard.
Really?
I think that Dennis Skinner & Jeremy Corbyn (and of course the late Tony Benn and his mate agent Boot of the KGB) long standing membership of the HOC might point away from that, and I don't think you can really say that any of them have been less than vociferous in successfully making their views heard in & around Westminster over the years!
I could probably throw in Gorgeous George and countless others into that mix as well.
Let me just cancel out richmtb then.
I have to think you are going to be very dissappointed if you think the actual system is going to change.
To be fair, even the adoption of PR would make a real difference to the political system. I assume that's what they'll use?
jambalaya - Member
...I have to think you are going to be very dissappointed if you think the actual system is going to change. You are going to have the same career politicians working with the same real world problems as the every other country making pretty much the same choices as do all the others.
Aye, but none of them will be Lords and all of them will be elected, so at some stage we can get rid of them.
That plus PR is a major improvement.
Scots
No 55%, Yes 45% (for scots, so not so far from real polls)
Aye polls are closing too, just like the real world!
No (I'm Scottish) (8%, 36 Votes)
Yes (I'm Scottish) (8%, 33 Votes)
47.8% yes, 52.2% no! 😆
all of them will be elected,
Hmm, 'Additional Members' are elected by who?
How would you vote out a particular AM at an election?
Is it? partially, but not fully. I dislike the secondary vote element because that is picked from party lists. Anything which perpetuates the party system rather than making it about the individuals being elected I see as fundamentally flawed because they're there on their party's merits not their own. So where is their primary loyalty? Party or constituency?That plus PR is a major improvement
think we are up to 1,043 time now..big_n_daft - Membervote yes for project feart
Mr Farage is dead keen to strip away much of Scotland's share of the UK govt's expenditure. That of course, will only be possible if we vote No.
As apposed to if you vote YES, you'll be stripped of 100% of the UK govt's expenditure?
think we are up to 1,043 time now..
Well it's got to be funny eventually, right?
Anyhow, Better Together are handing these out to students:
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But I though No voters had Nae Baws! 😀
Aye, but none of them will be Lords and all of them will be elected, so at some stage we can get rid of them.
I think you overestimate the role of the Lords!
😀
The RMT union has backed Scottish independence.
It seems they are getting their baws handed to them! 😆ninfan - Member
But I though No voters had Nae Baws!
Not about policies?
Could have sworn the DO was banging on about the bedroom tax on a daily basis (almost!) and evil Tory policies. I guess we can dismiss privatising (sic) the NHS too, especially since the DO is matching the Tories at this.
So.. with the oil then.. isn't it being extracted by private companies? What revenue does the govt get? And surely some of the companies involved with extraction and refining are British?
The government gets lots of tax on the oil... after the cost of extraction is removed from the barrel price, governments get up to 95% of the remaining profit on a barrel depending on what was agreed at the time of the production license was granted. In some parts of the world e.g. iraq the private companies are just paid a flat rate of a couple of dollars for each barrel they produce, with all the oil going direct to the government. I don't know the UK figures, but I do know the Norwegians have a flat 75% tax rate on the barrel price (after extraction deductions).
It does amuse me when people keep on going on about the profits the oil companies make... but its a pittance compared with the various governments takes!
iS would have to renegotiate all the productions contracts I would guess ? But I would imagine that they would probably just rubber stamp all the ones currently in place.
I guess we can dismiss privatising (sic) the NHS too, especially since the DO is matching the Tories at this.
Just because you keep repeating this doesn't make it any more true.
especially since the DO is matching the Tories at this.
He's really not. Should I start calling you the SDO - Second Deceitful One?
Aye, but none of them will be Lords and all of them will be elected, so at some stage we can get rid of them.That plus PR is a major improvement.
@eipc - I very much doubt you'll notice the lack of a house of lords, not unless you follow the detail of law making. I would say AS is just the sort of leader that needs a house of lords keeping tabs on him but I appreciate he's your leader not mine.
PR, yes it could be. You will have much more coalition politics though, hopefully that doesn't turn into the highly fragmented / numerous election system the Italians have. Also I am not sure coalitions deliver radical change, much more likely to get more of the same.
. I would say AS is just the sort of leader that needs a house of lords keeping tabs on him
Right winger says elected politicians need to be kept tabs on by unelected members of the aristocracy - shockerooni
Westminster too can have coalitions...
Right winger says elected politicians need to be kept tabs on by unelected members of the aristocracy - shockerooni
I think he means a second chamber with long tenure. The fact that they are unelected isn't actually that important IN PRACTICE. And personally, I don't think party politics has a place in the Lords - electing members would probably bring it in don't you think?
molgrips - Member
I think he means a second chamber with long tenure. The fact that they are unelected isn't actually that important IN PRACTICE....
They would like you to believe that.
Do you know what actually goes on in the Lords?
IMO party politics is already thoroughly entrenched in the Lords
molgrips - Member
Do you know what actually goes on in the Lords?
Deals and self-interest.
Nothing vaguely democratic.