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bencooper - Member
Oh, good grief - stop conflating English-based institutions with the people of England.
Makes it easier for him to handle.
Well, maybe when [b]you[/b] stop conflating Scottish-based institutions with the people of Scotland!
Because what exactly [u]is[/u] the relevance of where the No campaign is registered, given over 50% of the Scottish Electorate support it?
Does it make them less Scottish than the Yes supporters Ben?
Err Bens graphic clearly shows that the Better Together office is in Glasgow and wiki says that its registered hq is in Edinburgh both of which are in still in Scotland at the moment ...unless Ninfan knows otherwise.
look what happened to Andy Murray when he dared just to suggest he didn't support Engerland,Engerland at the football.
Whilst i agree with your point the exampl eis incorrect
He was having banter with Tim and the presenter who jokingly asked him who he was supporting - taking the piss because scotland were not at the world cup - and he jokingly relpied with anyone but england
He never said it but the reaction - considering preety much everyone in england calls an athlete english[ say wiggo] and someone not english [ say Cav or millar] british.
What exactly is the problem with the campaign to protect the union of Great Britain being registered where the elected Parliament of Great Britain is held?
That parliament and nation is not voting is the problem , how did you miss that ?
Imagine it was in the UK leaving the EU do you really think having the pro group registered in Brussels would not be a bot of an own goal?
Would it help?
Would it make the EU look like it interfered less ?
Would UKIP make some mileage out of it
Its not a huge deal but it is not hard to see that it is a bit of an own goal.
[quote=duckman ]But since it is mostly our colonial masters (see aracer,we can do tedious insults as well)
You as well as JY?
bencooper - Member
Though of course you're right - the No campaign is based south of the border:
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Wings is based in Scotland is it?
Imagine it was in the UK leaving the EU do you really think having the pro group registered in Brussels would not be a bot of an own goal?
Would it help?
Would it make the EU look like it interfered less ?
Would UKIP make some mileage out of it
Its not a huge deal but it is not hard to see that it is a bit of an own goal.
Just a personal viewpoint here. For me I'd see the EU in a better light if there was more input from the rEU into the UK arena as to the benefits of EU membership, both for the UK and the rEU.
They could call it 'mieux ensemble' or something.
Genuinely though, I wouldn't have a problem with Brussels campaigning for the UK to remain in the EU.
piemonster - Member
...Genuinely though, I wouldn't have a problem with Brussels campaigning for the UK to remain in the EU.
And if they controlled all the media and fed you lies, half-truths, and gross misrepresentations, would that be no problem?
And if they controlled all the media and fed you lies, half-truths, and gross misrepresentations, would that be no problem?
Different question. Different answer.
Genuinely though, I wouldn't have a problem with Brussels campaigning for the UK to remain in the EU.
Most Europeans I know are of the opinion that the UK should stop whining or **** off.
But maybe that's just the people I know 😉
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Most Europeans I know aren't that bothered either way. Unless there British(insert preferred choice here) and have forgotten they're European.
Funny Ben, the Europeans I know have gone from 'why does the British not want to join the Euro' a few years ago to 'my god, we should have listened to the British'
You as well as JY?
You flirting with straw men again 😉
Really not sure what you are accusing me off tbh
I dont think scotland is under the yoke of imperialism but it suffers as it population is so small compared to England hence they get a Tory [led] govt.
I wouldn't have a problem with Brussels campaigning for the UK to remain in the EU
Do you think it would
1) strengthen the no vote and bee seen as interference
2) be welcomed as a positive thing
TBH i dont actually disagree they should publicise the good they do but it would not help win an EU vote IMHO
if they controlled all the media and fed you lies, half-truths, and gross misrepresentations, would that be no problem?
You are describing our current tabloid media and what they do re the EU currently so it is never ever goign to happen
Imagine doing an analysis of pro EU stories and anti EU stories. i would be surprised if it was less than 100-1 tbh
So we're in agreement that Scotland should be independent? Excellent 😀
It really is fascinating reading your anecdotal evidence about european views whilst criticizing AS reports for inaccuracies
Perhaps AS should just have said everyone i asked said we would be fine 😛
You are going to claim he did now arent you....I walked into that one DOH
@ben - if the SNP campaign was designed to make us all fed up with Scotland then it has succeeded. As I've always said it's your choice I just can't bear the thought of a no vote followed by years more of this same stuff.
1) strengthen the no vote and bee seen as interference
2) be welcomed as a positive thing
TBH i dont actually disagree they should publicise the good they do but it would not help win an EU vote IMHO
I think it would depend more on the manner of any campaign than anything else.
If they managed to be honest and decent about it.....
Most Europeans I know are of the opinion that the UK should stop whining or **** off.
That's surprising considering how many EU citizens choose to live in the UK. And it's not just EU citizens from "poor" countries, such as the half a million Poles, but also the over a quarter of a million Germans that live in the UK.
the SNP campaign was designed to make us all fed up with Scotland then it has succeeded.
How on earth can you speak for us all?
And are you claiming there is unanimity on this thread?
...and it wasn't an especially funny joke even the first time around 😉
PSA More or less Radio 4 @ 4 30 are looking at the economic claims
If you do not know they do analysis of stats claims in the media in a fairly unbiased way
About as definitive as we will ever get it.
Should be interesting - will post up a pod cast afterwards for those that care about this
PSA More or less Radio 4 @ 4 30 are looking at the economic claimsIf you do not know they do analysis of stats claims in the media in a fairly unbiased way
Surely it won't be "unbiased" ...... aren't the BBC supporting the No campaign ?
Surely it won't be "unbiased" ...... aren't the BBC supporting the No campaign ?
BBC Scotland certainly seems to be, Radio 4 should be a better shout.
Oh I see, there are different editorial policies for BBC Radio 4 and BBC Scotland. That makes sense.
[quote=Junkyard ]
You as well as JY?
You flirting with straw men again
Really not sure what you are accusing me off tbh
You need to check the post of mine just before duckman's one I quoted, which I assumed is the one where he's accusing me of a "tedious insult" - though TBH as there's only really one nickname I've been using on this thread I thought it might be obvious to you at least 😉
Ah yes sorry my bad as the kids say 😳
Duckman Lord Eck of BS was my joking name for AS as a pop at THM risible use of derogatory terms. He demoted him to a Sir but it is tongue in cheek usage only.
Apologies for not getting it.
Lego asks government to remove Scottish independence images
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I give it two days before it turns out that they didn't get permission from AP to use the Obama Hope poster.
The nats are now supported by Lego and Sean Connery. I am sure this extra support will sway many undecided voters to the separatists cause. Meanwhile the president of the united states has provided his backing to the UK.
Those Danish have got an interesting take on copyright law... Next thing they'll be saying you can't take a photo of a bacon buttie without their permission 😉
I thought the Lego characters ads were funny. Didn't agree with the sentiment though. 🙂
Oh I see, there are different editorial policies for BBC Radio 4 and BBC Scotland. That makes sense.
Not that hard to fathom. Different people in charge, different location, different audiences. Some of the output from bbc scotland is laughable when it comes to showing an agenda.
Different people in charge
So programe editors don't follow BBC editorial policy, they just decide for themselves what is best. And all the ones in Scotland have coincidentally decided to support the No campaign. That makes perfect sense.
JY; it was a reference to aracers changing of a post to bring out the same hackneyed "your nothing without us" jibe the more imperalisticly minded use to try and convince us of the folly of going alone.
Taking views on BBC neutrality or not on independence referndum aside, I am yet to discover what is so wrong with the BBC that iS will require a new national broadcaster?
That makes perfect sense.
Perhaps you could explain it all to the rest of us Ernie. Please
whatnobeer explains it. And as he points out, it's "Not that hard to fathom". Are you having difficulties?
I can understand whatnobeer no problem,although he puts it slightly stronger than I would.
Some of the output from bbc scotland is laughable when it comes to showing an agenda.
Where I said
. Imo BBC Scotland s claim to be impartial is on a very shoogly peg.
Perhaps you could explain your own view Ernie
athgray - Member
...I am yet to discover what is so wrong with the BBC that iS will require a new national broadcaster?
Well seeing as it is functioning as a Westminster propaganda unit it will be obsolete after independence.
So we will need a Scottish Broadcasting service.
Why does everything come to politics? I look at the service the BBC provides and on the whole I reckon it is pretty good. Will the program output of a Scottish service be better? I doubt it.
I can understand whatnobeer no problem
Well there you are, there's nothing to explain then - the BBC has a policy of allowing its programme editors to take whatever biases they want, all the ones in Scotland has decided to support the No campaign, and those responsible for Radio 4 have decided to be unbiased and evenhanded, apparently.
Either that or the nats have tailored their criticism of the BBC to suit their agenda and are making completely contradictory statements. What do you think?
I have no idea where in the UK you live Ernie, but if you've seen some of BBC Scotland's output you'll know what it's coverage is like. There was even a thread about it before this one.
On other issues I've seen the BBC Trust uphold complaints about how things have been reported. As far as I can tell BBC Scotland operates with it's own staff in it's own location. I have no idea how influence the rest of the BBC have over it, but in my experience Radio 4 usually covers certain things better than BBC Scotland.
konabunny - Member
"maybe Austerity Alex can take a much wider global role uniting previously waring parties, He seems to be an expert. He could join Tony Bliar."Oh, God, using these stupid nicknames makes you look like such a tiresome pillock.
What a sensitive wee bunch 😉
Meanwhile, add the youth to the ever growing list - so remember the youth who will be supporting the rapidly ageing population when you guys vote!