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The revolution has started comrades! Make sure you're on the right side!

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“Potato-topped pies aren’t pies,” says O’Callaghan firmly. The awards were set up for similar reasons to the petition – to celebrate and distinguish [b]artisan[/b] British efforts like the pork pie from ‘"pastry-topped casseroles" and to "rescue" the word pie from what [b]purists[/b] consider to be decades, nay centuries, of misuse.

Anyone who uses the words [b]artisan[/b] and[b] purists[/b] in the same sentence has immediately lost the argument.

Try and tell Desperate Dan that his Aunt Aggie's cow pie, baked in an open dish with a lid of pastry isn't actually a pie.

He'd declare thee a "varmint" and he'd be right.

Edit: @Binners - VARMINT! 😉

Don't worry PP. Once I'm in charge (not long now), anyone using the word 'Artisan' when referring to food, or 'craft' when referring to beer, will be joining the pie toppers with their backs against the wall

Damn straight a pie is pastry all around, not some effete effort of puffy pastry lying atop of lumpy soup. Put all the horns on it you like if Aunt Agggie's pie hasn't got pastry on the top, the bottom and sides it isn't a pie.

Be assured that when we're all toiling under the yoke of oppression in the Democratic Peoples Republic of Colouring-in, there'll be an active underground resistance movement, wearing trench coats and eating ashet pies * in basements.
The shadowy figure of chaos at the head of this geurrilla movement is known only by a code name "PP". 😉

Collaborators with our "Artisan Purist" overlords will be dealt with harshly. No pudding.

Just sayin.

*Not anything with potato on it though. That's just weird. 😯

Perchypie?????

Perchypie?????

No Pudding, Varmint. 😀

Local Pub has Pie Night - went the other week - lovely Steak Pie but with only a Pastry top!!! Does this mean it's a "Partial Pie Night" or a perhaps a "Not Quite a Pie Night"

TBH although I like a proper pie (pastry encased) the pastry top "Part Pie" is obvs the healthy option and avoids heart burn (the older I get the less I can eat pastry 🙁

People who should be fired into the sun:-

Anyone claiming to be an “Artisan” who does not have sawdust in his/her beard.

Anyone with a stall at a “Farmer’s Market” who does not own a farm.

Anyone who uses the term “Workshop” without reference to a lathe or welding equipment.

Anyone who claims that a puff pastry “lid” perched on top of some stew is pie.

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Off you go.

Try and tell Desperate Dan that his Aunt Aggie's cow pie, baked in an open dish with a lid of pastry isn't actually a pie.

With respect, I don't think we can hold up The Dandy as a canonical source of factual information. You'll be quoting the Daily Mail as a reference next.

If this had been raised during the devolution debate the result could have been so different.

I think you will find the Dandy is way more superior to the Mail, contains far more factual information. Korky the Cat has more integrity than the entire journalistic staff of the Mail combined FACT.

With respect, I don't think we can hold up The Dandy as a canonical source of factual information. You'll be quoting the Daily Mail as a reference next.

Why not? It's a well respected publication with a long history of serious and informative investigative journalism. Much more so than the Daily Mail. 🙂

That great bastion of MCWCB's , Markies food hall is also in on the act...

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The only thing more disappointing than cutting into a 'pie' only to find no pastry under the lid, is being served one of those puff pasty topped abominations. It's not a f***** pie, you've not [i]made[/i] a pie there, you've served me a bowl of casserole with a pastry crouton. You have the [i]make[/i] a pie, not just fekin serve some of the ingredients together.

I trust you'll all be relinquishing your membership. Ya big galoots!

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Got this for christmas, on the plus side makes alright pies fairly quickly, on the downside any sort of filling is minimal, so you need to eat 2-3 to get a decent amount of steak.

+ more pie
- heartburn

A simple comparative guide to what is pie and what is not pie.

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People who should be fired into the sun:-

Anyone claiming to be an “Artisan” who does not have sawdust in his/her beard.

Anyone with a stall at a “Farmer’s Market” who does not own a farm.

Anyone who uses the term “Workshop” without reference to a lathe or welding equipment.

Anyone who claims that a puff pastry “lid” perched on top of some stew is pie.

Can we add 'Curated' for anything other than a museum Curator's activities too please, thanks.

Pasties FTW too 😉

'Artisan'

Always serves as a warning to avoid, I believe. Would The Binners kindly add it to his List.

Ooh yes please. Faux artisans and curators up against the wall please.

Technically they are true "pies", but the butchers In Kilmacolm, does the best steak pies. Haven't had one for a few years now though.

[url= http://www.blackwoodofkilmacolm.co.uk/steak-pie--serves-34-48-p.asp ]http://www.blackwoodofkilmacolm.co.uk/steak-pie--serves-34-48-p.asp[/url]

No way it feeds 3 - 4!

If Maw says it's a pie, that's good enough for me.

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Yir Maw

Yir Maw

She drinks wine. All the time.

and as for my Da'...

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More people with reserved seats on The Sun Ship.

• Customer Service “Advisors” that have to read from a script.
• “Facilitators”, whatever they are.
• Anyone who says “Colleague Announcement” or “Partner Announcement” over a public address system.
• Companies with a recorded message that states “Your business is important to us, please hold”. If it was that important you would have enough people to answer the phone.

Off you go. Pack your Factor 50.

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More people with reserved seats on The Sun Ship.

When the cleaners are in at work, they put a sign on the door, "toilets being cleaned by female operative." Whoever wrote that is Golgafrinchan B-Ark material for sure.

I'm with you comrade. Using the words colleague, partner, or even worse ... stakeholder, when what they really mean is drone or serf, should be punished by being fired into the sun! But only after being forced, Clockwork Orange style, to watch every Adam Sandler film, back to back, twice.

Stakeholder

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Not a stakeholder

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Aisle or window seat sir?

Steak holder.

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Steak Holder
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Harry_the_Spider - Member
A simple comparative guide to what is pie and what is not pie.

Pie
Hair
Not Pie
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Overseas with work a while back; the canteen had "beef pie" and "spaghetti bolognese" on the menu one day. It turns out it was the same beef-and-things-in-sauce, just one came with spaghetti and the other came with a little square of some funny pastry plonked on top. I don't think I've ever seen a looser fit to the word "pie"...

That ^^ is obviously not a Pie....You don't put a Pie on a plate with Roast spuds

HAS TO BE MASH OR CHIPS (PROPER CHIPS)------IT'S THE LAW!!!

AND BROCCOLI--- WTF --NOT WITH A PIE

Hairy pie?

Went out of fashion in the 80s, I believe.

Shepherd pie, cottage pie, fish pie.

Surely the definition is a filling with a lid that is cooked [u]in place[/u]?

*runs away*

As this picture of the legendary Cow Pie at the George Hotel in Keswick clearly shows, its pie, chips and gravy that are the essential ingredients. The other bits are just added as a sort of garnish, to add a splash of colour. And you wouldn't eat them as that will fill valuable tummy space that could instead be filled with more pie

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Are they... frozen chips?

😯

That pie seems to be lacking crust on the near side, too. Not a pie at all, really.

If you went into the George and stated that their Cow Pie isn't actually a pie at all, I doubt you'd make it out alive. It is the Mecca for aficionado's of the crust. And that is heresy!

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I have nothing to add other than STW pie/not pie threads never fail to make me laugh out loud. Having read a few, I now regularly embarrass my wife and kids by brandishing the menu and haranguing a member of staff to wheel the chef out. At which point I challenge that individual to answer the all important question 'is this a PROPER pie or a stew with a hat?'

If you went into the George and stated that their Cow Pie isn't actually a pie at all, I doubt you'd make it out alive. It is the Mecca for aficionado's of the crust. And that is heresy!

Stand it on its edge and it's stew with a hat.

You'd probably end up in a pie.

Binski, The Pack Horse in Affetside used to be a bastion of pie. Not been for a while, but it used to be ace. You need to check it out and report back.

As this picture of the legendary Cow Pie at the George Hotel in Keswick clearly shows, its pie, chips and gravy that are the essential ingredients. The other bits are just added as a sort of garnish, to add a splash of colour. And you wouldn't eat them as that will fill valuable tummy space that could instead be filled with more pie

Broccoli again...Must be a northern thing....Peas...could get away with peas at a push!!

As this picture of the legendary Cow Pie at the George Hotel in Keswick clearly shows

...there's nae pastry roon the edges.
Which is perfectly OK in my book.
Looks like a fine pie to me.

This is clearly a portion of pie cut from a larger dish. My question to Binners would be this.

If you get a portion of that particular pie cut out of the middle of the large dish, with no "finished edges" is it still a pie?

Casseroles with pastry lids are legitimate pies.

This xenophobic pie-ism shames the forum. It's always the same angry mob of self-interested, ante-diluvian knuckle-draggers who can't bear the thought that all those meals they've endured, chewing through acres of dry, plasterboard-encased stews has been for nought.

You've lost the battle. You've lost the war. Concede defeat, you will be only a footnote in the culinary history of the nation, outdated and destined for obscurity along with the Babycham advocates and Findus Pancake stalwarts.

Casseroles with pastry lids are legitimate pies.

Finally, a voice of reason in a world of madness.

Welcome to the resistance Comrade Stoner.

....and for the record A good New Year / Funeral Steak pie ( Puff Pastry Lid only) should be accompanied as a minimum with Mashed potatoes, Peas, Butter beans and carrots.

Casseroles with pastry lids are legitimate pies.

*Stands up*

I agree.

*Hides behind Stoner*

Makes note.

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Stoner. Three dots and a crossing out.

I carry scars of this fight going back years.

I salute my own indefatigability in the face of the hysterical nazism of the pie-chuckers. Fight on.

Makes note.

*also makes note regarding Harry the Varmint 😉

*adds names to zee list*

Don't tell them your name Stoner

Casseroles with pastry lids are legitimate pies.

It's not often you're right, but you're wrong this time.

Actually... thinking about it.... are you lot southerners?

Asking a southerners opinion on these matters is liking asking an eskimo's opinion on the best sun cream

You lot regard these as pies...

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And they have a puff pastry top, which we all know is verbotten in a proper pie. puff pastry indeed? Pfft!

Actually... thinking about it.... are you lot southerners?

I think you'll find that YOU are the southerner in this particular debate. By a good couple of hundred miles. 😀

Good gods man, you're not even [i]English?[/i] Get in the (North) sea and take your deep-fried Mars bars and Irn Bru with you.

I think you'll find that YOU are the southerner in this particular debate. By a good couple of hundred miles.

Good god man, you're not even English?

Indeed, I am truly blessed. It must be a terrible affliction.

Get in the (North) sea and take your deep-fried[s] Mars bars [/s] Pies and Irn Bru with you.

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Look! Pastry all the way round and everything. 🙂

To be fair to Mark (Stoner), he's consistent is his defence of the indefensible. Amusing, vaguely logical and as I said consistent. Wrong tho, so very, very wrong....

Binners be careful or you will cause a split in the Varmint ranks, the Pukka may not be the best pie but it has a filling encased with pastry.

For you fools who think a pie is a bowl with a toupee answer this simple question, could you pick your monstrosity up and eat it while walking along?

Oxford dictionary "

A baked dish of fruit, or meat and vegetables, typically with a top and base of pastry

Cambridge dictionary "

pie meaning, definition, what is pie: a type of food made with meat, vegetables, or fruit covered in pastry and baked

Obvs regional variation!!!

could you pick your monstrosity up and eat it while walking along?

A reliable indicator of quality , that!
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I expect you think plastic is a delicacy up there 😆

The wife ask my lad what he wanted for his 5th birth meal a few months back.

"Meat pie please Mum" came his immediate reply.

It was truly a tear in the eye proud moment..... 🙂

And it's little times like that, you know you're might actually be doing a decent job as a parent.

I don't know if I dare ask this, but....

.......what about Steak & Kidney [b]Pudding[/b]?

I presume you're talking about babies yeads? A pudding is a thing of exquisite beauty, especially when served with chips peas and gravy, and certainly more qualified to be included in the pie family than anything served in a little dish in Wetherspoons with a token piece of puff pastry on its head

So even though it's a pudding it's a pie?

Glad we've got that one sorted out. 😉

I don't know if I dare ask this, but....

.......what about Steak & Kidney Pudding?

I must be deeply emotional at the moment but this threads making me giggle like a Girl, a Girl in "Selfie upload to BooFace I need a Hug" mode.

So thanks for the gigglefestickle.

😀

Do these count, I so desperately do not want to be jettisoned into space and succumb to the inevitable "splat" as we plop into molten pie filling..

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Actually... thinking about it.... are you lot southerners?

Asking a southerners opinion on these matters is liking asking an eskimo's opinion on the best sun cream

Even in the grim, dreary, northern wastelands a ray of enlightenment may occasionally [url= http://lancashire-food.blogspot.com.es/2015/02/gluten-free-beef-brisket-carrot-and.html ]shine[/url].

Pies are like pornography - no fixed definition, but you can usually tell.

Hey bikebouy, they look more like flan or tart based products.

Would you like vegetarian or non vegetarian meal on your flight?

It's quite simple:

Pastry lid = Pie

No pastry lid = Not a pie. Could be a tart, flan or a badger, but it's not a pie.

These, are not pies.

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I presume you're talking about babies yeads? A pudding is a thing of exquisite beauty, especially when served with chips peas and gravy, and certainly more qualified to be included in the pie family than anything served in a little dish in Wetherspoons with a token piece of puff pastry on its head

In all fairness to T’spoons, they do a very reasonable steak pudding, chips, pies & gravy (in a little jug). All washed down with a pint of bitter for about 60p*. Smashing.

*A blatant lie, but still dirt cheap.

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Luke Piewalker's brave struggle against the evil Em-pie-re 🙂

Could be a tart, flan or a badger

Don't mention *badgers. Harry the Spider will want to whack it with a coal shovel.

* ...or enormous hedgehogs.

It was more of a trench warfare type slashing action. Very effective.

Those things up there have 'fillings' that sound like they belong on a panini that you'd buy at a cafe bar in Chorlton, and could in no way be defined as pies. No pie worthy of the name would feature pumpkin seeds

Once my revolution is complete the persons responsible will be dragged from their homes in early morning raids and paraded through the streets to answer for their crimes

Once my revolution is complete the persons responsible will be dragged from their homes in early morning raids and paraded through the streets to answer for their crimes

Fidel Gastro?