[Closed] Off AND injury caused by road covered in SH_T by lazy farmer?

Interesting to see people defending irresponsibly and negligent behaviour by farmers...

Imagine a similar scenario in town: Loads of gravel and mess left on the road by builders/roadworkers whatever. Causes an accident. How would people feel then?

As mentioned; it's a Public Highway, not the farmer's personal road. Wether they 'have it tough' or not is irrelevant bollocks, wtf has that got to do with being responsible and also acting within the Law? There's no reason why a careful farmer acting according to the Law would leave loads of mess all over a road. Just sounds like laziness.

As for compensation: if someone has left a mess on a public road, which then contributes towards an accident, then they should be held accountable. Would the OP have had an accident if the road was clear of any mess? Nowt to do with 'blame culture'- farmers shouldn't be exempt from the same rules that apply to everyone else. What if the OP had (God Forbid) sustained permanent injuries as a result of negligence by the farmer?

Sue the bastard...

That's cos you're one of them uppity town folks who don't understand country ways 🙂

Christ, a kids fallen off his bike.
MTFU and move on.

accident
• noun 1 an unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally. 2 an incident that happens by chance or without apparent cause. 3 chance.

It's an [i]accident[/i]. These things happen.

everything to do with blame culture.
"where there is blame there is a claim"

we are not denying it is the farmers fault, but laws do not over rule physics.
whether the mess was legal or not, it was still there, and the OPs lad should have been riding within the limits of the conditions, which he evidently wasnt.
dont get me wrong, i hope hes ok, i wouldnt wish an accident on anyone but sh!t happens

if you go Booting around a blind corner into the front of a car on the wrong side of the road, whether the car was supposed to be there or not your still dead!

winds me up when people act as if "the law" overrules physics!

suck it up, chalk it up as a near miss and learn from it.

Snow is just as slippy as mud. If you're going to blame the farmer for coming off on mud who're going to blame when you come off on snow?
As many others have said: it's a lesson learnt - no blame.

The mud didn't get there by 'natural causes', did it? It got there because of the farmer's negligence.

And if it's slurry, then there's also laws relating to the correct disposal of biological waste to be considered.

Farmers shouldn't go round acting like they own the entire countryside, and expecting everyone else to accommodate them. They are legally obliged to act within the Law, like the rest of us.

I'd just like to as I am a Farmer, I'm not defending this guy in any way, But how do you expect a tractor get from muddy field to muddy field, By the roads.

We take precations as everyone of our vehicles has two "mud on road" signs. So should he. but to say its an outrage that there is mud on the road in the countryside is a bit OTT.

Growing up and living in the countryside you deal with this day in day out.

legally, the farmer is to blame. correct.

do you work in health and safety Talkemada?
or are you one of those people who "walks at you from funny angles" on TV

i prescribe a dose of MTFU, or end up in an accident that "shouldn't have happened"

Out here in the boonies one of the local farmers was taken to the cleaners for leaving shit all over the roads. Was on a bend and three cars slid off the road into the ditch.

However, from a cycling perspective, he should MTFU. If you're local then crap on the roads should not be a surpise.

do you work in health and safety Talkemada?

Oh here we go... 🙄

If it had been your skinny little arse getting road rash, you'd have gone crying home to your mummy and demanded the farmer be lynched, I bet...

Road users should be aware of potential hazards at all times (including a bit of mud on country roads). However, causing a hazard on a public road through negligence is an offence punishable by death.

Well, it bloody well should be...

It's reasonable to expect a farmer to clean up once he's finished his days work - but he can't be stopping to do as after every journey.

As said above, we should all be riding within our limits - both visual and technical.

Mind you wasn't there an anti-disc brake thread on here a week or so back with folk arguing that road bike brakes were only used for slowing down gradually - never to make emergency stops?

Warning signs indeed! Could he not smell it?

Farmers are supposed to clean up the road, and they know it. No reason not to go for compo in my book.

You're assuming that the farmer hasn't.
Finding crap on the road doesn't mean that you can sue anyone. Just as finding a pothole doesn't mean that you have a claim. You have to demonstrate negligence.

+1 Good post IanMunro

I've just imagined me telling my Dad I'd fallen off on cow shit ... LOL ... then tried to imagine my Dad running in tears to the nearest internet forum to find out about compensation ... ROTFLMAO ...

On a serious note, what if the tractor driver had stopped, perhaps to put up a little sign warning villagers he was about to do [b]a big grassy fart[/b], and your son cycled into the back of the tractor, smashing his nose up?

What then?

When that happened to me the first time a few others in the group crashed as well, I had cuts and it bust my then new fangled Avocet computer. We all got up without a word and carried on.
I've always seen it as an acceptable hazard, even if the farmer cleared it up it's still going to leave a slippery surface unless it was jetwashed. I prefer to see the muck than get surprised by stealth stuff.

HA
Talkemeda.

If it had been your skinny little arse getting road rash, you'd have gone crying home to your mummy and demanded the farmer be lynched, I bet...

i refer you to

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and eating through a straw for 2 weeks,
combined with a police report of the incident that quotes me as saying "shit happens" and no action being taken against the driver.

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Let them decide if you have a claim, the farmer has a duty of care,to everybody.

Hope your son is ok.

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gods im hot! 😉
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Olly, you went under (inbetween) the wheels of the tractor?

You are blessed with luck.

i did, and i was 😀 (i feel it has run out, i used up ALL 9 of my lives long ago, and now, when in messy situations, tend to come off.... well... messy)

How anyone has hurt themselves from the shits that sprays from Talkmeda's gob is beyond me.

Id like farmers to be made to put up warning signs- i ride a motorcycle, and road tyres dont stick to shit all that well.
Ive been riding mountain bikes long enough to know that you have to expect the unexpected on country roads, so its not always a problem for me. Not all road users have mountain bike experience though, so they'll boot it as soon as they pass their test! And they wont neccesarily know what happens when shit hits the ...er....tyres.

How anyone has hurt themselves from the shits that sprays from Talkmeda's gob is beyond me.

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Erm, can anyone translate that from Idiot into English please?

Id like farmers to be made to put up warning signs- i ride a motorcycle, and road tyres dont stick to shit all that well.
Ive been riding mountain bikes long enough to know that you have to expect the unexpected on country roads, so its not always a problem for me. Not all road users have mountain bike experience though, so they'll boot it as soon as they pass their test! And they wont neccesarily know what happens when shit hits the ...er....tyres.

Farmers are "made" to put up warning signs, just like all motorcyclists are "made" to stick to speed limits, doesn't mean everyone sticks to it.

You can't tar everyone with the same brush. (see stoping at red thread)

oi reckons there be zum daft city gobshites spouting nonsensical claptrap bout thingz they knows nuthin about..

you would not be getting this very un-neighbourly and unreasonable attitude about a bit of cow poo on a country lane from proper zyder drinkin country folk..

stop bein so daft innums bey.

What if it was a driver and not a cyclist that hit this poo - and that in losing control, the car ploughed into a group of cyclists, killing a couple of them. Would the driver be at all responsible?

What if it was ice instead of poo?

Came off my motorbike when I was a lad due to a farmer losing some of a load of barley on a 90deg bend. The police came along and were not happy with the farmer who agreed fairly sharpish to cover the cost of my bike repair (I wasn't hurt). No difference between leaving mud on the road and any other farm 'product'. It is a hazard !

I agree with the comments above re 'riding within your limits etc' but it is not always easy to see crap on the road surface, espacially when wet. There should have been a warning sign. It's the law, plain and simple.

Fell off because the road was slippy, who can I sue?

If you want to live in a country where this is acceptable, go on, fill yer boots...

...or get a grip.

crikey - Member

Fell off because the road was slippy, who can I sue?

If you want to live in a country where this is acceptable, go on, fill yer boots...

...or get a grip.

Sue me...

sue him and he won't be leaving a mess again.

No, he won't, as he's more likely than not one of the many farmers who are a few thousand away from committing suicide, just so you can get cheap meat and milk in the supermarket.

Yes, they are responsible for excessive mud on the road, and will clear it up. However you can easily slip on one piece of mud on a bike, and the OP hasn't got a clue yet how much there was actually there.

How anyone has hurt themselves from the shits that sprays from Talkmeda's gob is beyond me.

LOL! Thats a STW classic for me.....

as he's more likely than not one of the many farmers who are a few thousand away from committing suicide, just so you can get cheap meat and milk in the supermarket.

Oh please. My heart bleeds... 🙄

combined with a police report of the incident that quotes me as saying "shit happens" and no action being taken against the driver.

Oh please. My heart bleeds...

You've obviously not worked with any then.

So, someone's kid is hurt due to the probable negligence of someone else, then it turns into 'oh but we should all feel sorry for the poor impoverished farmers'....

Come on. In any other situation where someone was injured through the negligence of another, you lot would be erecting a gallows and lighting the pyres...

Granted, there may be hazards in rural areas, from mud and dirt that inadvertently gets onto roads from farm vehicles, but the OP states the road was 'covered in mud and slurry'. That mud and slurry didn't get there by itself. The slurry in particular should not be fouling a public highway.

'Oh that Talkemada is only a city boy and knows nothing of our country ways'. Yeah, right. 'Cos you know everything about me, eh? Pfft. Judgemental fools.

In case it makes any difference, I'm very definitely a country boy (and usually argue from that perspective), but I completely agree with Talky. Of course lots of farmers have it tough, but then there are still plenty of others who aren't in any way poor, not to mention that many farmers are complete selfish b*******s. Of course you can't expect completely clean roads and a little bit of muck is unavoidable, but leaving a road covered in the stuff is totally unacceptable - and also illegal.

Can you prove it was negligence then?

If farmers had to stop and sweep all the mud off the road every time then nothing would ever get done.

Lorries from construction sites aren't allowed to dump mud in the roads - and there can be a hell of lot of mud on sites. No one says "nothing will ever get built", they just make certain that the mud on wheels of the lorries are washed off before they drive off the site. Or else hire a road sweeper which constantly drives up and down clearing the mud.

OP states the road was 'covered in mud and slurry'.

Wrong, if you had bothered to read it properly it actually said:

steep down hill section road covered in slurry from tractor traffic spreading

I very rarely find anyone knows the difference between slurry, mud, silage and manure. The OP was quoting what his son said. He may have been wrong. It was probably just mud.

Annnyway, if the farmer had JUST dropped it then it would be doubtful he could be held responsible, and in any way would be very unfair and unlikely to hold water in court as if you are pulling out of a muddy field there is no way you can stop it falling on the road.

So, someone's kid is hurt due to the probable negligence of someone else, then it turns into 'oh but we should all feel sorry for the poor impoverished farmers'....

I was pointing out that the automatic sueing of someone just because you couldn't cope with a bit of mud on the road could have far reaching implications. If the farmer is leaving the road dirty often and doesn't care about cleaning it up then I'd say, yes, sue his ass off. However in this case, if I may be granted to assume that it was a one-off on the farmers part (as the son might go this way often and this was clearly a suprise), then maybe a chat to the farmer may be in order. I must go to one incident a week where a simple bit of conversation in a community would solve many problems.

Come on. In any other situation where someone was injured through the negligence of another, you lot would be erecting a gallows and lighting the pyres...

It seems like that is your approach most of the time. 😉

No one says "nothing will ever get built", they just make certain that the mud on wheels of the lorries are washed off before they drive off the site. Or else hire a road sweeper which constantly drives up and down clearing the mud.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but last time I looked there wasn't a jetwash at every farm gate and I think every farmer in the land would just pack it all in if he had to employ a street cleaner to follow him wherever his tractor went. Not practical I'm afraid!!

I doubt that would be particularly difficult. Find the source- bosh.

You can argue in the farmer's defence, or about 'expecting hazards', all you like. Fact is, a person has suffered injuries and damage to their property, because they lost control on mud and slurry that shouldn't have been there in such amounts as to create a hazard and cause an accident. All road users should expect not to have to deal with such hazards caused by negligence.

A for some of the sanctimonious on here; if it were your kid, I doubt you'd be so willing to defend the farmer...

last time I looked there wasn't a jetwash at every farm gate

A hose and a broom is enough.