[Closed] Obree speed record attempt

hes been doing the talks circuit , ihad 3 tickets to go see him in tarland but was stuck off shore in equatorial guinea for the duration 🙁

MMmmmmmm.... guinea pigs..

Decent article on him and the speed attempt in this months Cyclist(Oct) magazine.

As above , great article . I think the man is a legend and I really hope he breaks the record. In the article he talks about how he enginered "The Beastie" on a shoestring and was chuffed to bits to get some perspex for a £10 to make a helmet. 😀
He also dosen't own a car and cycle everywhere on and old tourer with panniers. He's some dude.

I went to his talk in Aboyne last week. Sounds like his training hasn't been ideal with some surgery and complications. He didn't seem hopeful of a record.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b038zddp

He's in the US apparently.
Lots of stuff I didn't know in this article. It sounds like he's wisely lowered his expectations though
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/other-sports/cycling/bulletproof-beastie-can-make-fastest-2258015

he's at the gft in Glasgow on 23rd of November for a talk.

12th November at the GFT, [url= http://www.glasgowfilm.org/theatre/whats_on/date:2013-11-12 ]Tickets here.[/url].

It'll be well worth going to, i was at his previous talk at Oran Mor back in July with regard to his 20th anniversary of the hour record, bloody good night and very amusing Q & A section afterwards, i asked him if he'd consider standing for presidency of the UCI, he replied i'm far too qualified for such a role 😆

ah yes, it is the 12th. as long as I turn up on the right day.......

...I once rode at 76mph down Scafell Pike...

i remember showing him my terry dolan road bike back in '93, old skool skinny steel, and he looked at the top tube and said 'do you not find that tube battering your knees with every pedal stroke?'
the thing is, he was serious.

He gave our club (GMBC) a really enlightening close up and personal chat at Alpine Bikes the other month. Only about 25 of us there incl the shop guys, so was really good. He's a complicated and fascinating guy for sure and it would be great if he managed it.

http://obree.com/obree-news/325-battle-mountain-hpv-update.html

46.8mph on his first run over 2.5 miles, although he reached 55+mph at one point.

I've met him a couple of times, he's quite clearly as mad as a box of frogs, but great to listen to and a bit of a legend.

Good to see it getting some big media coverage, complete with a brief but well written synopsis of Obree's influence on the sport - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24015622

More insight [url= http://www.humansinvent.com/#!/13453/i-need-to-focus-on-my-eyeballs-coming-out-of-my-head/ ]here[/url]

Go Graeme go!

more cheese gromit?

some times coming in here http://www.recumbents.com/wisil/whpsc2013/results.htm

Obree is well down on the some of the other bikes - doesn't look good - or is he just testing the bike for a fast run later in the week?

From what I read on twitter, he was stuggling with steering meaning that he couldn't go at full power. He was talking about increasing the gearing to try and help make the bike more stable (or more to the point, presumably to mean he was moving around less).

Every prone recumbent I've tried has been insanely twitchy - I'm not sure of the exact reason, but I wonder if that's what's causing him problems.

http://obree.com/obree-news.html

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I'm not sure of the exact reason, but I wonder if that's what's causing him problems.

Ben ,Looking at [url= ]this[/url],I can't imagine the bars are much good at delicate 😯

Think I read that he's missing Tuesday to change gear ratios, she gets a bit twitchy at a high cadence, apparantly.

The article on the [url= http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/other-sports/cycling/graeme-obree-recruits-record-man-2266014 ]Daily Record[/url] site sums up just how mad he is - very well written I thought.

“Put the notepad down big man, I need you to launch the bike.”

Brilliant 😉

I had a shot on a procumbent that Venom built in the mid 90s (at low speed) and it was very twitchy.
It's obviously a big proving session for Obree, interesting to see what potential his design has when he irons out the development issues. At first glance it doesn't look like it is radically better than some of the alternatives in terms of frontal area.
It is a great competition. Basically a race full of Obrees, all working on original designs. I liked the backwards Slovenian steering with a mirror.

I liked the backwards Slovenian steering with a mirror.

Link? 🙂 That's brilliant!

Also worth following [url=www.humansinvent.com/]Humans Invent[/url]

Just noticed I've been beaten to it 😳

I think he's riding again at about 4:20pm our time

He seems to be mates with Hoy. I wonder if trying to persuade him to ride the bike would not be considered cricket...?

Hoy wouldn't fit in that thing!

He could put bulges in the side.. kind of like muscle cars have a bonnet bulge this could have a thigh bulge.

I was thinking more of his shoulders...

Thinking about Hoy in one. Jason Queally was the british record holder for a while, so it seems sprinters can do it, but why do they insist on having a 5 mile length for the track?
I would have thought that once you're up near top speed, you've already used most of your energy.

Maybe they want it to be a longer effort than a sprint? Seems odd.

Think it's a five mile track with a marked-off 200 metre "timing section", the five miles is for them to get up to speed, cross the timing section, then slow down again at the end, I think. Don't think they have to record a time over the whole five miles.

http://www.recumbents.com/wisil/whpsc2013/racerprofiles.htm

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Think it's a five mile track with a marked-off 200 metre "timing section", the five miles is for them to get up to speed, cross the timing section, then slow down again at the end, I think. Don't think they have to record a time over the whole five miles.

Here's that reverse one 😯

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Queally had a go, about 10 years ago?, in Blue Yonder, but it was simply too big, and he didn't get anywhere near the record. Have a look at the photos of current record holder Whittingham, and his Varna. You'll wonder how he fits inside, let alone pedals at 80mph.

Queally had a go, about 10 years ago?, in Blue Yonder, but it was simply too big, and he didn't get anywhere near the record.

It was quite silly really - made you wonder if they didn't have a single person who understood aero on the team. Was pretty obvious to anybody with even a basic understanding that they weren't going to break the record with a machine which had twice the frontal area of the others, no matter how good the engine was. I'm not just talking with hindsight here either - I remember thinking when I first saw it that it was rather big. They appear to have started from a position Queally was comfortable riding in and made that as aero as possible, rather than start with making something as aero as possible with a human body in and then work out how to pedal it, which is what the top guys do.

Problem was, they had all F1 designers on the team - with cars, if you need more power you just tweak the engine - can't do that with bikes.

It was funny the way they blew £250,000 on it, then got beaten by a 16-year-old girl on the Varna team 😉

“I don’t fear death. I once rode at 76mph down Scafell Pike in the Lake District on racing tyres, wearing only a skin suit and no helmet."

😯 Nutter.

Obree is a ****ing legend. A man Lance Armstrong could never be.

Anybody find an update?
Can't see anything, but his morning run should be done now.

Blueyonder was HUGE!

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That VeloX3 team have already got Sebastiaan Bowier going quick at 78mph 😯

Some new pics
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/540337/graeme-obree-makes-last-minute-tweaks-ahead-of-hpv-speed-attempt.html

Small wheels, and big tyres too....

Tweet after yesterday morning's run was:
"5 mile course this morning, wind non legal, mechanical fault and shipped chain but into speed traps over 50mph now more work on #Beastie"

Some insight here:
http://www.humansinvent.com/#!/13470/i-need-to-focus-on-my-eyeballs-not-coming-out-of-my-head/
Looks like every wiggle is resulting in side load and therefore increasing his frontal area. Hence the stabilising weights.

I can't see anything about an evening run. Anyone else?

I do wish that this is a success for him but it just feels as if there's too little time available for him to get rid of all the problems that the slightly, errm, ad-hoc design and build is throwing up as he starts to go faster.

He probably spent a long time on cycle tracks getting his previous bikes 'right' for the speed he'd be doing before attempting any records.

I think following it works better if you just see the 'record attempt' as part of the spin, and just think of it as a guy having a slightly different idea to everyone else and having the guts and determination to give it a good crack.

I think there was probably a time when Graeme did think that the other competitors were being a bit 'conservative' and he could beat them, but it wont be this time. He already sounds like he'll be back again next year.
I just hope he can find somewhere to test more usefully/frequently, instead of relying on theory and Battle Mountain itself.

yes, it's not like track bikes where everyone was using one design - there was far more scope for innovation for him there.

Obree managed 50.97 mph.

Yesterday's results:
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From Jun Nogami http://jnyyz.wordpress.com/, via Dave Larrington of the BHPC

It does sound like he's (and me!) just realised how much of a specific challenge this is - I reckon we'll see him back next year with a much improved design.

Looks like the weather is a bit rubbish for today

If he is having stability problems I wonder if something could be added to create stability aerodynamically? Some kind of fin or aerofoil perhaps.

Or maybe a flywheel/gyroscope of some kind.. doens't need to accelerate fast, after all. And why isn't that front wheel a disc wheel?

doens't need to accelerate fast

(obviously he's held upright during that time, but it still sounds like a pretty big obstacle).

I wonder if something could be added to create stability aerodynamically? Some kind of fin or aerofoil perhaps.

Anything aero is going to create drag. If it's correcting a significant stability problem it will create significant drag. It's no accident that the really fast machines don't have anything like that.

According to the rules, the pushers/launchers have to let go before 15 metres.
So he has to be able to get the 300" (fixed) gear going in only 15metres!
(obviously he's held upright during that time, but it still sounds like a pretty big obstacle).

Some competitors have cradles that hold the HPV upright but drop away at speed, others use helpers on roller blades to do the same thing - don't know if Obree does the same, but it means they only have to concentrate on building up speed, not steering.

But if you can't keep it stable then you have to do something...

Yes - you have to do something which doesn't involve creating extra drag - pointless having a nice stable bike with too much drag. The drag required to break the record is so small that the margins you have to play with are tiny.

A creative solution to gearing perhaps, to get sufficient range...

Wonder why he doesn't have 2 gears, a "take off" gear and a "cruising" gear?

Just to absolutely minimise, I guess. Says on CW he's added weights to the front wheel and it felt a lot more stable. Such an interesting event - they're all prototypes, so I guess there's a whole bunch of on-the-fly problem-solving going on.

I bet the people with £1/4m budgets have had more development time though!

so I guess there's a whole bunch of on-the-fly problem-solving going on.

You would think most of the key problems could have been sorted out before the event,and it would just be tweaking things.

I bet the people with £1/4m budgets have had more development time though!

Like Blueyonder you mean? 😆

fasthaggis - where do you reckon you go to test an unstable bike which is theoretically capable of 80mph?

Cheats! Not that many people seem to be riding the segment... 🙂
http://www.strava.com/segments/2352028

fasthaggis - where do you reckon you go to test an unstable bike which is theoretically capable of 80mph?

Surely he can knock a treadmill together?

[i]Surely he can knock a treadmill together? [/i]

It would take off though.

where do you reckon you go to test an unstable bike which is theoretically capable of 80mph?

Well he hadn't even got close to 80mph before noticing the stability problem.
I can't believe that there is nowhere in the UK with a flat bit of road for a few miles ,where it couldn't have been wound up to test how it was going to fly.

Don't get me wrong,I really want to see him to succeed ,but the likes of the VeloX team look as if they have done more than just theoretical and aero tests,before turning up at the event.

Can we enter a STW team next year?

What wheel size?

I've got an idea or two...

We need to club together and make sure he has enough funds to do it properly next year. Kickstarter?

[b]Looks like he's got a record.[/b] World Record for Two-Wheel Prone Recumbent, although I can't tell if the headwind was too much for it to stand.

Another update here:
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/540361/beastie-blog-5-graeme-obree-sets-new-prone-position-hpv-world-record.html

Sounds like a great event. There's something appealing about the daftness of it all.
This is a quote from Dave Larrington about yesterday:

In the third heat Aurélien Bonneteau did nearly 69 mph in a crosswind more than three times the legal maximum; Todd Reichert was slow but steady in Bluenose and as usual Phil Plath and Randy Gillett were giving it some welly. They overtook Bluenose's chase car before the timing traps, nearly overtook Bluenose and then lost it just before the bridge.

Which they hit with considerable force. The top came off the fairing, the nose is bent to buggery and there are wood splinters (from the boards we zip-tie to the armco to stop bikes from going under the rails) punched through the fairing. Phil has a few minor cuts; Randy is, as far as I know, completely unscathed. "I felt it go over and wondered what we were gonna hit" he said afterwards. :thumbsup: to the Toronto PSOs for stopping to help even though their bike was still on its way down to catch.

Hoping for better weather in the morning...

There's something appealing about the daftness of it all.

Yes, recumbent racing is so much more fun than the po-faced seriousness of conventional road racing 😉

New record for the prone position 56.62mph - legal launch and legal wind.