[Closed] Obese? "Exercise or We'll Cut Your Benefits" - Tory Council Plan.

Can't be bothered with reading all the pages but anything that helps reduce the walking eyesores that are obese people is fine with me....I would also appreciate it if they could usher in a ban on fatties eating in public, if there is a more disgusting sight than a porker shovelling yet more food into their pie-hole then I've yet to see it.

The farming of grains was the greatest disaster to ever befall the human race,

really?

[i]Sorry Solo, I didn't mean to sound so harsh. It was more a jovial 'you, sir, are talking balls' [/i]

None taken, I see that now 🙂

[i]Many species 'process' foods that they couldn't eat on the raw form[/i]

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😯

[i]Plus, given that most of the human population survive on grains, that's surely a pretty strong indicator that they serve a pretty strong nutritional purpose[/i]

As tempting as it is, I'll not labour the point. If you want to go research grains, etc. I know you will.

A lot of people seem to be really really hung up on the more generally proportioned. I don't have an issue with them personally, with only one minor exception....

Those wearing leggings 😯

Leggings are slimming Binners, didn't you know?

really?

And don't forget when they stopped making the Texan bar. That was pretty bad too.

I'm sporting my meggings around the office at the moment. I look svelte ....

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[i]And don't forget when they stopped making the Texan bar. That was pretty bad too[/i]

Yeah, a loss to mankind, that texan bar advert.

"[i]A Man's godda chew, what a Man's godda chew[/i]"

Hora based his entire persona on that advert

Kinell - Synopsis?

[i]Synopsis ?[/i]

Do you want fries with that ?.

[i]Hora based his entire persona on that advert[/i]

Including his facial hair too !.

Yeeeeesh that's a big ol thread of self-righteousness there (on both sides).

I struggle with long sentences but has anyone rolled out this graph yet?
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Being significantly underweight is [i]very[/i] unhealthy too.

And this meta-analysis shows that being overweight (BMI: 25->30) means you actually have a 6% [i]lower[/i] mortality rate than people of a "normal weight":

http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1555137
http://www.nhs.uk/news/2013/01January/Pages/Overweight-people-live-longer-study-claims.aspx

Perhaps something for the skinny fatty-bashers to [i]chew on[/i]. 😉

A lot of people seem to be really really hung up on the more generally proportioned. I don't have an issue with them personally

So we can send the fatty council estate dwellers out as cannon fodder?

You do seem hung up on the generalisation that poor and being fat go hand in hand though.

he is living proof of that
FACT

he is being sarcastic [ as am I] for in reality he is fat and rich

Am I getting a synopsis or not?

I'm relatively poor (by STW standards) and incredibly lazy and I've just eaten my own bodyweight in Chinese takeaway..

are they going to stop our working family tax credits..?

tories are not nice
will pickles go on a diet?

if your fat its your fault [society has not helped by the removal of access to sporting facilities and the free availability of fast foods- some more tory bashing - lets tackle that to]
to do sports costs money
No it does not my bike is free
no you had to buy it

yes but its fats people own fault

order may not be correct jist is

Thanks Junkyard.

I would've read it all but i'm too busy lying on the couch stuffing my face with ice cream.

You saved yourself a headache then! Not a bad summary from JY, but he missed two cracking early jokes (from different perspectives) about leisure wear. They made the thread, especially the very witty retort about rugger shirts and cricket jumpers. Very drole!

Mmmmm....pickles!

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In my area the facilities are there to help people lose weight.

My wife went on a weight loss scheme,free pedometer and a weekly check provided by the local health authority.
She was given a minimum amount to walk per day,which she easily exceeded.Her diet was also looked at every week.There was nothing complicated.
She lost about a stone,felt fitter and permanently changed her eating habits.
The thing is the advisor said that my wife was exceptional amongst the people she saw.Some handed back the pedometers as they never walk anywhere and others didn't change one thing in their diet.
She can go to the local council gym and swimming pool for just £17 a month,and no we're not on benefits.
Maybe these opportunities are not available in other areas but here its brought to you on a plate (so to speak ).

I'd just point out that its likely that we haven't evolved much, which is to say that there is no significant genetic difference between you and your ancestor of 60,000 yrs ago.

Surely a major change in diet would be likely to accelerate evolution? After all almost every human race has evolved in the last 50'000 years. If evolution can produce such visible changes then there is likely to be other changes for example the way tolerance to alcohol has evolved in some populations but not others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_tolerance

I'd think it likely humans have evolved in response to a grain diet over 10'000 or more years.

We should do this with MP and minister salaries... How much could we take away from Ken Clarke?

I remember as a teenager my 2 years younger sister put on a bit of weight - we are from a very sporty and active family and I remember my mum sending her to extra athletics and dance sessions, plus cutting pocket money so she couldn't buy sweets etc at school.

IMO that's responsible parenting. Sadly we now have a victim culture where it's always someone else's fault rather than a lack of personal responsibility.

Replace payments with direct rent payments and food vouchers that can't be used for fags, booze or ready meals/junk food and you'd sort this. Harsh, but if they won't take responsibility for themselves, someone else should.

adults are allowed to make bad choices whether you [or their parents]like it.

Why are only those on benefits getting your tough love?

Why are only those on benefits getting your tough love?

....because they're using tax payers money to get fat?

...and others are using it to get high, drive cars, read books, buy flowers or paint their halls. Do you have a complete list of do's and dont's?

to be fair, fatties should be treated with same disdain and horror as 4x4 drivers by the greens. Stuff the health or benefits argument. They are grossly over consuming resources that have a massive carbon footprint. Sorry, but a large scale macerator and direct injection into a EFW plant like we do with cow carcass is the only way they can pay back some of the energy debt.

or stick fins on them and sell them to the Japanese as new type of landwhale for hunting.

I remember my mum sending her to extra athletics and dance sessions

Hmm.. that kind of parenting could work, but it could cause a hell of a lot of problems.

I remember my mum sending her to extra athletics and dance sessions

Ever heard of "Ugly Parent Syndrome"?

[i]Surely a major change in diet would be likely to accelerate evolution? After all almost every human race has evolved in the last 50'000 years. If evolution can produce such visible changes then there is likely to be other changes for example the way tolerance to alcohol has evolved in some populations but not others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_tolerance

[b]I'd think it likely humans have evolved in response to a grain diet over 10'000 or more years.[/b] [/i]

Professor Cordain seems to think grains aren't much of a good thing.
I don't want to argue about it. Each to their own.
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[i]adults are allowed to make bad choices[/i]

I'd say yes to that, upto the point that someone else's lifestyle choice, effects me. A type of honouring your responsibility to your community sort of thing.

People have been getting obese for a long time now. You can't blame any one political party!

Mass production of processed foods and the bare fact that food is relatively cheap now means that most people have become accustomed to eating far too much, especially convenience food.

Unfortunately it's the least well educated people who don't know when to put the brakes on. Have they not got a mirror? Do they not feel how bad it is to be obese? I can understand being overweight, but just don't get how people get to 20-30-40 stones. Some top out at 70 stones. Who is feeding them? It isn't them because that can't even get out of their houses.

Something has to be done about it. My view is that we should educate people and encourage consumption of more homemade fayre. The outlawing of certain types of food would help.

Penalising people who have got to this sorry state is harsh, but if claimants are able to get this big whilst being supported by the state, the benefits they are getting are probably too great! So I believe it's a fair policy, but as ever, pounced upon the loony left, who'll have anyone who is perceived to be in a disadvantaged situation, who is not taking any personal responsibility for themselves, feeling like they are victims.

Remember the saying "there is nowt for nowt"

I'd say yes to that, upto the point that someone else's lifestyle choice, effects me.

Like those silly mountain bikers whose lifestyle choice costs you valuable NHS money...?

She can go to the local council gym and swimming pool for just £17 a month,and no we're not on benefits.

Blimey, wish our council leisure centre was that cheap - its £35 per month if you do a 6 month contract, and £50 per month with no contract. It's around the same price as the private gyms - the swimming pool is a lot bigger, but it's also freezing, crowded, and full of manky plasters. 🙁

[i]Unfortunately it's the least well educated people who don't know when to put the brakes on. Have they not got a mirror? Do they not feel how bad it is to be obese? I can understand being overweight, but just don't get how people get to 20-30-40 stones. Some top out at 70 stones. Who is feeding them? It isn't them because that can't even get out of their houses.[/i]

Quite a loaded paragraph there. It just isn't as easy as [b]telling[/b] someone to eat less. The body has a will of its own and if its signals become compromised, then excessive weight gain does occur.
As for the higher weights you mention, at this stage people are usually suffering Metabolic syndrome in which case, your body definately isn't functioning correctly and body fat regulation and storage are not working correctly.

[i]Like those silly mountain bikers whose lifestyle choice costs you valuable NHS money...? [/i]
A crude and clummsy attempt at Trolling which requires no more response than this.

Blimey, wish our council leisure centre was that cheap - its £35 per month if you do a 6 month contract, and £50 per month with no contract. It's around the same price as the private gyms - the swimming pool is a lot bigger, but it's also freezing, crowded, and full of manky plasters.

£30 here, with £20 sign up. No contract.

I want £17.50 access 🙁

Who is feeding them? It isn't them because that can't even get out of their houses.

Graham your bmi mortality graph, was just wondering are anorexic/bulemic and other people who are skinny/malnourished through a medical condition included in the skinnies? and are these statistically relevant and should they be included? I can see how obesity on it's own could be classed as a medical condition, dunno tho. is it fair to compare them?

How will your local council know that your doctor had perscribed excercise? And how could they know that once you'd clocked in at the gym you'd actually used the facilities?

Of course it's easy to kick the poor but harder to solve the difficult problems of society, so kick the poor again...

Like those silly mountain bikers whose lifestyle choice costs you valuable NHS money...?
A crude and clummsy attempt at Trolling which requires no more response than this.

Interesting. I wonder what the cost of cycling related injury is compared to that of obesity. I'd hazard a guess that it's a lot closer than you might imagine.

I saw one stat for the US which claimed a cost of $4bn/yr for cycling related injury.

Graham your bmi mortality grah, was just wondering are anorexic/bulemic and other people who are skinny/malnourished through some medical condition included in the skinnies? and are these statistically relevant and should they be included? I can see how obesity on it's own could be classed as a medical condition, dunno tho. is it fair to compare the two?

In many cases I expect obesity to be as linked to mental problems as being skinny, I think it shows your own preconceptions and conditioning to think that one side of the graph should be treated differently from the other.

[i]I can see how obesity on it's own could be classed as a medical condition, dunno tho[/i]

Only after lobbying by Big pharma gets Govs to class obesity as a [i]disease[/i], for obvious reasons.

I saw one stat for the US which claimed a cost of $4bn/yr for cycling related injury.