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If someone keyed your car and
insulted your wife would you make them a cuppa.collapsed on the ground, would you check if there ok?
Would be a better comparison.
Not sure now that he was attempting to break in, as repeated bangs might have indicated that. Also to find him unconscious on the ground moments later does suggest he was unsteady and on the point of collapse when he impacted your door.
I expect all humans in a very poorly state will seek help.
What a shame so many are willing to take the worst and do nothing.
Someones son, somebodies uncle. Say your uncle living alone became seriously unwell and sought help but the person he sought help from attacked him(OK the op didnt), but others certainly implied it
Perhaps that speaks more of them than anything.
My, this is an interesting evening. I hadn't realized there were so many unfeeling C$%^s on here. Some with pent up violence seemingly wanting to break out.
It's a pretty depressing thread to read tbh as someone mentioned earlier.
One of the comments that hit me was junkies are the scum of the earth I think it was.
Considering the awful people out there such as murderers, paedophiles or drug dealers (the ones that actually get the junkies hooked) seem more scum like surely?
“Well yer’onner, my client was disorientated due to his medical condition and was stumbling blindly from place to place in a desperate but futile plea for assistance.
Mere seconds later he was rendered unconscious for over an hour. Clearly he was unfit for the act of burglary.
Yep, basically this.
No realistic chance of a prosecution and little point.
In a perfect world this would be treated as a medical issue. Someone has made the choice to intoxicate themselves to the point of losing control of their actions. The should be helped without judgement or prejudice so they don't do it again. It is would be good to see this involving an apology to be you and an understanding of the concern they've caused, for example.
We're someway off a justice system that looks to help people, either those who've caused anti social behaviour or the victims of it.
As it stands we'd rather ignore it for ages until someone gets seriously hurt or property seriously damaged and then stick them in prison, give them a criminal record making them unemployable and making the cycle worse.
Helping petty thieves, thugs and addicts is a tough pill to swallow, especially as others deserve resources far more.
However, in a population, some people are always going to be a drain on resources because of a terrible upbringing or other issues out of their control. It's better to help them rather than let them be a massive drain on resources going forwards.
This guy needs to recognise the distress his actions have caused and apologise. He needs to then get help to not do it again.
Anyone bring picked up for being spectacularly drunk and out of control should not be dealt with by the police but by a decent and well funded community social care team.
More money up front, way less down the line.
If someone keyed your car and insulted your wife would you make them a cuppa.
Nope.
You know what else I wouldn't do? Go out to find them and smash their face in. That's premeditated.
If someone keyed your car and insulted your wife would you make them a cuppa.
Why not be the person the breaks the cycle?
What's the alternative? Paying endless tax to deal with a broken person till the end of days?
Nutter attempted to break in through my front door
I went looking for him and found him passed out on his back in the middle of a cul de sac, he could have been dead so I didnt go near him
I couldn’t care less if he dies, total oxygen thief
smackhead piece of shit violent scumbag
I intended to smash his face in
Going from wanting to kill someone to checking they’re okay just doesnt work for me, maybe I’m the psycho
I just thought f#ck him
Sounds as though you’re the nutter, especially
I’m a trained fighter
Makes you sound like you’re an angry little ‘man’.
I put a mask on and yes I intended to smash his face in, sorry about that.
haha, what a sentence. Violence is never the answer to any problem.
Why should they race to the aid of a nutter/criminal when they’re that busy with corona patients.
^ Judge, jury and sentence?
The case will have been triaged appropriatey based on the symptoms as described. As a non life endangering case, he’ll have the standard wait.
What were the ‘symptoms as described’?
BTW - my interpretation of the code of conduct is as a medical professional I would have an obligation to go to the aid of the person collapsed and could in theory be in trouble for not doing so.
I certainly would have gone to their aid.
As much as addicts aren't to be trusted, they are still human beings. They are still someone's son, daughter, husband, wife, father etc.
To leave someone to possibly die, is pretty heartless. To leave someone to possibly die for hitting your front door ...... I'd like to think most people have more compassion.
I’m a trained fighter so facing a guy with a possible knife in fight mode is different.
Yeah,I’m calling bollocks on this one. Define trained fighter for me? What were you trained to do in a situation where someone pulls a knife?
For balance, I spent many years learning various fighting techniques from boxing to grappling and Muay Thai. Running away is what I was told for knife defence if. If not an option then grab the knife arm with both your hands and try to get it off them and then run away. Anything else is reserved for Hollywood.
IME of junkies they are pathetic creatures hardly likely to be able to use a knife. High they are slow and not bothered by stuff. Strung out its all they can think of is the next fix
Much more likely to be stabbed by a drunk or someone high on cocaine
Trained fighter? Like this?
In my experience, people that talk this way are the first ones to fill their trousers or cry when the stool hits the fan.
Maybe ,maybe not but it’s that assumption there that’s very dangerous, secondly when I moved to Sheffield a few years back there were and still are lads on this estate that would put a bullet in you for helping a smack head they have had issues with , and there’s been 6 firearms incidents in the past year alone so you go and tell yourself I’m a shite or do whatever you have to to make yourself morally superior
Don’t assume you know me or who I’ve had to be to get out of a hell hole
Seems to be mainly drug dealers in rival gangs with the occasional innocent bystander involved. So did any of those six incidents involve a member of the public being shot for helping someone? Not judging, just curious. I spent a few years living in some shithole areas and I too was glad to get out. Managed to retain my compassion though
secondly when I moved to Sheffield a few years back there were and still are lads on this estate that would put a bullet in you for helping a smack head they have had issues with
Cool story.
But you didn't advocate for leaving our hypothetical junkie alone, you advocated for kicking him in the head.
So if your backstory is that you'd like to avoid getting shot, how would kicking a drug addict in the head help you avoid the attentions of said shooters? I'm not an expert in drug dealers, but I'd say they might have an opinion about someone kicking their customers in the head for no reason. Either way, it's definitely going to get the attention of the very people you're professing you want to avoid.
Don’t assume you know me or who I’ve had to be to get out of a hell hole
Don't go around advocating violence against people on an internet forum if you don't like people disagreeing with you.
Violence is never the answer to any problem.
Seems to be the way society works. Why else do we have weapons, guns, bombs and all.
i'm 6'3" about 15 stone, broken knuckles and nose from fighting throughout school and while on the streets.
Seems that it is the answer sometimes. Right or wrong, nobody is denying that, it is part of human condition.
Houns, for a sanctimonious virtue signaller you're quick to judge and name call, I hadnt resorted to insulting you despite your bizarre grasp of the situation, you've concocted a alternative version of events and ignored the facts from the person who was present. Why are people still assuming he might of just slumped against my door in need of help, he tried to break my door open and had a second attempt whilst holding down the handle, my assessment of the situation was spot on, trust me I was there, last night I found out he was in another back yard several houses up and a lad watched him from his bedroom window attack my door, the scumbag was reaching for a boulder in my yard when my light came on, the boulder had been moved which confirms it, at that point I heard him swearing at me before he f#cked off. Some of you on here are making weird assumptions and even seem to know what drugs he was on, facts are he was high, psychotic, aggressive, violent and extremely unpredictable. Three paramedics just let him walk off a few minutes after waking him up, so so much for him needing medical help.
Why am I being judged for leaving a nutter who just damaged my door on the floor when the emergency services did just that, the operator on the phone didn't even ask me to check on him.
Funkmasterp call bs all you want, I didnt say I trained with knifes, my point was when I'm angry n ready to fight it doesnt matter, I've tackled a guy who had a crowbar before and spent a night in the cells because of it, despite barely touching him.
If you must know, boxing, kickboxing, and a few years of karate when I was little.
Wow - such a big hard man and at the same time too feart to help someone in distress!
i’m 6’3″ about 15 stone, broken knuckles and nose from fighting throughout school and while on the streets.
Seems that it is the answer sometimes.
Funnily enough, I'm 6'3" and almost 15 stone with a shaved head.
Never been in a fight or hit anyone. My nose is still it's original shape and no broken knuckles despite the years on dodgy estates and in rough schools.
I'll take my outlook, thanks.
I’m a trained fighter
I didn't know this thread was going to go 100% comedy!
Yeah, all that information you just gave would’ve been really useful in your first post wouldn’t it? Not on the third page of the thread.
I once tackled a drunk driver trying to flee from a crash he caused. Even restrained him. Didn’t end up in the cells though. Just interviewed at home afterwards by a friendly copper.
Some of you on here are making weird assumptions and even seem to know what drugs he was on, facts are he was high, psychotic, aggressive, violent and extremely unpredictable.
There's some assumptions of your own in there, to be fair. If the paramedics considered him a serious danger to himself or others or psychotic, chances are they'd have taken steps to have him sectioned.
Three paramedics just let him walk off a few minutes after waking him up, so so much for him needing medical help.
If he doesn't want to be helped, there's not a lot they can do. They can't really hold him against his will unless he's being sectioned.
They can try to convince him to get help, but unless proven otherwise, he has the assumed capacity to make his own decisions, including refusing treatment. The fact that they've left him suggests their risk assessment was not as severe as yours.
Look, you're probably right, he most likely was an addict trying to break in, but your OP gave enough room for the doubters to start poking holes and some of the subsequent attitudes on display were bound to provoke a debate. What were you hoping for when you started this thread? Validaiton, sympathy or a bit of an argument? This is the internet, not the lads down the pub, people are going to disagree with you.
Frank Begbie is alive and well and on Singletrack.
Sorry funk, didnt know someone saw it until last night,
I've made it clear it was a bloody big impact and the guy was crazy, I cant help people assuming and making up their own versions. The story hasn't changed, what did I leave out exactly, some sad pathetic keyboard pussies are still having a pop, sarcastic "ohh you're hard" very predictable, grow up. I'm not trying to make out I'm a big tough guy, im just being honest. If attacking me makes you feel better about yourself, well it is just lame AF.
The post was about a disappointing response from emergency services especially the police not turning up, but now it's a character assassination, I wasnt after sympathy or an argument, but people on here need to look at what they've become.
Reaching for a boulder and the description of what happened to your door is very different up there to what it was in your OP. Different folk have different opinions. This thread was bound to have some conflicting views in it tbh
Like I said, I just found out about the boulder from the lad up the street. How people confuse an almighty whallop with a slump against the door or a knock is beyond me.
Fin after falling asleep on wet concrete for over an hour he was a completely different person to the psycho attacking my front door. Maybe the three paramedics and the bright lights waking him up altered his mood.
But why are people still assuming he was in distress.
Look, you’re probably right, he most likely was an addict trying to break in, but your OP gave enough room for the doubters to start poking holes
I'm sorry but it was pretty clear from the op that the guy was trying to break in. The guys that doubted it were guys just looking to argue the toss. We even had folk trying to make out he may have been in need of medical attention etc etc..😒 either they ar just being argumentative, or they are genuinely very naive.
As for junkies being harmless and will run away when challenged, not in my experience. Only time in my life I've thoroughly crapped myself was when I told a couple of junkies to piss off out of my stairwell where they had decided to smoke what I assumed was smack...guy threatened me with a needle. Suffice to say I was up those stairs quicker than a quick thing..
Hence I'd not be so charitable in assisting as some of you lot claim you'd be..
I’m a trained fighter
i’m 6’3″ about 15 stone, broken knuckles and nose from fighting throughout school and while on the streets.
Hmm....where have I heard those quotes before?
Oh yes, 16 years as a prison officer. I heard that or similar almost every day & often saw or heard about the 'trained fighter' & 6'3" mincehead get flattened by some scrawny kid from Leeds or Teesside. The bigger you are & the bigger your mouth is, the harder you'll fall.
As for the OP's tale, If it'd been me I'd probably have called the police 1st & followed him. If I later found him out cold I'd have called an ambulance but kept a distance. Why not go & check him closely? Because I've seen too many situations where people have been spiced up. They often go off on one then suddenly have a lie down only to suddenly jump up & kick off again, lashing out violently, biting, kicking, foaming at the mouth & generally going ballistic. I've been in situations where It's taken 4 or 5 officers to control a prisoner in that sort of state. Scary at times.
Never been in a fight or hit anyone. My nose is still it’s original shape and no broken knuckles despite the years on dodgy estates and in rough schools.
Too many shortarses in Glasgow 😆 Besides I think it was more my outspoke'ness, I always ended up in a fight. Must have averaged one a week.
Oddly enough I met one of the guys i always use to battle with, while in a pub a few years back, he was the same height now as then and i towered above him. and we had one of those both apologizing for our actions then, but decades ago and I bought him a pint.
16 years as a prison officer.
Where abouts. I was in Risley, then got shifted to a secure unit just outside Wrexham. Would have been '88
Tpbiker, thank you, means a lot, this is more stressful than the event at 3.45am .
Esselgruntfuttock, I did all those things that you described, so thanks, I think.
Where abouts. I was in Risley,
Started at Durham, moved to Frankland then Wealstun Cat C in 2004. Only person I knew of at Risley was an SO called Dave Hart. He was our instructor at Newbold Revel when I was there.
Knowing Esselgruntfuttock's background and experience his description of how he would have acted in the circumstances seems the most sensible course of action to follow.
I think anyone searching for an innocent explanation of the individual's actions is stretching the boundaries of possibility given the time and location of the incident.
Despite what some have said there would be a real risk trying to assist this individual - the op probably assumed that there would have been a reasonably swift response from the emergency services and I get the point that he was trying to raise about the lack of response - it really is a thine blue line.
You guys are good lot, at least my experience. At the time, and it was my 18th birthday i got arrested(Nothing bad, more self protection type of thing. I was young and angry, and they talked me out of things. 8)
Cool.
Oh heavens, ive a nostalgic tear going on now. See what youve done 😆
Yeah. crazy times. I found all the staff and those at the secure unit were more clued up on youth. I even met and had a talk with Michael Heseltine Douglas Hurdwhile there.
I did the classic. Why are you here ?- I got caught, which kind of broke the ice, though I mind then I was a bit taken aback by my own words and thought oh oh, im in bother, but he laughed and we had a chat.
But why are people still assuming he was in distress.
Because he is lying on the ground motionless for a period of time on a cold night.
Despite what some have said there would be a real risk trying to assist this individual
It may be real but its infinitesimal. There is a significant risk to leaving him lying there. People die under those circumstances
Obviously its hard to know what i would have done as i wasn't there but I know I would have been out to check on him - I have a professional obligation to do so. Cautious approach, shout to him if still no movement roll into recovery position, pulse check is probably as far as i would have gone.
I always mix those two up,Heseltine the ex soldier.
Oddly enough, Mum said some lord phoned her looking for me, about that time. She couldnt remember who it was exactly, mores the pity.
Funny story #194
When i got moved, they moved my homeless kit with me, which apparently nobody wanted to touch, given the smell and all. And while in with the warden, police and social worker I opened it and sai, you'd better have this then and passed over a huge Rambo type knife. There were glances around that room, and ill wager someone else was in trouble 😆 😆
Multiple threads here so sorry to the OP, but im feeling this way currently. 😳
It may be real but its infinitesimal. There is a significant risk to leaving him lying there. People die under those circumstances
I wouldn't say the risk is extremely small. It's perhaps not likely but it's not negligible.
And why should the op be expected to take any risk, no matter how small, for someone who has just tried to break into his house? I'd be prepared to take a risk on my own safety to help a random in trouble for sure. But in the ops situation..I'd be doing exactly as esselgrunt has described..
In fairness to the op, despite all the 'scum of the earth chat', he called an ambulance. Some of you are making out he just left him to die on the street!
Funnily enough, I’m 6’3″ and almost 15 stone with a shaved head.
Never been in a fight or hit anyone. My nose is still it’s original shape and no broken knuckles despite the years on dodgy estates and in rough schools.
Snap, but im about 13stone and entering the stage of my life when I have come to terms with the fact I will soon have a shaved head.
And why should the op be expected to take any risk
because someone might die.
Edit - if it had been summer I would be less concerned
entering the stage of my life when I have come to terms with the fact I will soon have a shaved head.
Off topic, but having been there, do it NOW. and no-one will even really notice. I definitely got a six month period when I should have committed! Google Photos is not kind!
because someone might die.
Seems reasonable.
There have been a fair few times I've tried to help people out. I got myself covered in blood helping a car crash victim from his vehicle, and gave CPR to a woman who'd had an electric shock, unsuccessfully unfortunately. Twice I've put myself at some risk doing sea rescues, once on a stormy beach and once when SCUBA diving. I felt reasonably confident doing these things as I've had some training and could assess the risks.
If someone was loudly banging on my door at 3am then collapsed outside I'd be shitting myself - I really wouldn't know how to respond. Emergency services of course, but I don't think I'd be getting too close to the person.
The only time anything remotely similar happened and I called the police their response was "Thank you for calling. Do not get yourself involved".
entering the stage of my life when I have come to terms with the fact I will soon have a shaved head.
And a big fat tummy 😉 😆
As for junkies being harmless and will run away when challenged, not in my experience.
Except in this case he did. That's the entire point people are making. I'm not suggesting that's how it would go down every time but by the OPs own admission the would be burglar buggered off as soon as he put the light on. That doesn't sound like a psycho to me, just an opportunist.
You sound like a stabbing victim waiting to happen to be honest.
Utter utter rubbish.
A simple check on a passed out person is hardly a risk. And most nutters don't carry knives. It's a small percentage that do.
I carry a knife everywhere everyday anyway lol (just as an aside ) so feel fairly safe and very un-stabbing victimish.
because someone might die.
They might, but it was very unlikely they would. Just like it was unlikely the OP would get stabbed, but again, it's not inconceivable it could happen.
Easy to criticise the op from behind a keyboard. In the middle of the night, with a family to take care of, I'm pretty confident some of the folks on here would have been calling the police from behind a locked door rather than administering first aid to the guy as he lay on the street.
I am pretty confident i would at least be checking the chap. Indeed last winter I was told of a passed out junkie in the street. I went out at midnight to look for him and make sure he was safe ( he was - he had moved on)
tp =- actually its fairly likely - passed out on a cold night is an easy way to die of hypothermia
I had a pissed up driver crash his car in to my living room back in March. First thing I did was rush out of the house to see if he was okay. Also had another drunk try and gain access to my house. Kicking door and repeatedly trying the handle. I went out of the other door and came round to see what the hell was happening. He lived on the next street and thought it was his house. I walked the ****wit home. Other similar things have occurred in my life.
I might be an idiot, but my first response is always to find out what’s happening/see if people are okay. My wife doesn’t like this approach and would prefer to peek out from behind the curtains. Strangely I’ve yet to be stabbed.
An awful lot of virtual saints & heroes on here, in reality a fair chunk of you would be shaking in your slippers scared to open your door and you know it.
I would do this, I would go one better, I would let him sleep it off in my spare room, I would provide counselling and a hearty homemade meal, wake up.
There are instances were these types of people have broken in and raped single mums in front of their children.
What if that door gave way, what if it was your gran, someone with a weak heart, a single mum with a baby. Does your bleeding heart still have sympathy for him and his addiction after he kills or rapes someone, maybe the drugs aren't to blame, some people are just twisted individuals anyway. Council estates have plenty people who will terrorise and ruin other people's lives, beat up and rob the vulnerable for fun, jails are full of them, basically there are plenty nasty basturds out there, they are just wired wrong.
Daily wail much Mick?
Ever been inside a prison? I have. They are chock full of pathetic inadequate people often victims of abuse and mental health issues.
And yes - as above when i heard via social media a junkie was passed out on the street on a winters night I went to look for him to make sure he was OK ( he was - he had moved)
Daily wail much Mick?
Ever been inside a prison? I have. They are chock full of pathetic inadequate people often victims of abuse and mental health issues.
Exactly this. I once asked the head of mental health in the jail I worked in, what % of the UK prison population actually had MH problems. Even I was shocked at her answer. She said it was around 90%.
EDIT, that's not including the staff.
And most of them chose the path they took, I've no sympathy for someone who says I wonder what heroin is like.
Sod it, I'll bite.
I once worked with a kid from Somalia who'd seen and experienced some truly horrifying stuff.
She started drinking pretty hard at about 13, was smoking weed and doing pills by 14 and was a junkie before her 16th birthday.
She said she started drinking to try to forget, then that didn't work, so she tried a few "recriational" drugs which worked for a while, but wore off and she ended up on heroin because it did exactly what she was looking for, it made it all go away for a little while.
Most, if not all of the drug addicts I've known have similarly horrible stories to tell.
And most of them chose the path they took, I’ve no sympathy for someone who says I wonder what heroin is like.
Yup, people choose to have messed up lives, that's exactly how it works.
What if
That's a lot of what if's. Some may even say whataboutery.
Some amazing views here. Hard to say what I do in that situation to be fair. One thing is for certain I wouldn’t kick him in the face. I would like to think I would try and see if he was ok.
3:45am - if he looked like a smack head I wouldn’t go near, not worth the risk.
Heard too many horrible stories of how smack heads have come around in A&E to attack the staff. Once upon a time they may have been nice people, but at that point when they need a fix they are nasty horrible people.
OP clearly kept an eye on him from a distance until paramedics arrived.
Few years back I was out the back of my house a gentleman nipped over the fence in to my garden screaming the “f@##ers are going to catch me and kill me”, I suggested he sit down have a cup of tea and a scone, but he declined, (the old chap was a bit rude). Mrs FD came out at that point and just screamed at him get out. He was already by that point trying to scale the wall on the the other side of the house. He left without even saying goodbye. In fairness he looked proper scared (fear in his eyes)
We phoned the Police who just asked were we safe and had he left. When I suggested this guy was in genuine fear for his life, they just said don’t worry it will just be unpaid debt.
Mrs FD said I was confusing fear for his life with fear of not getting his next hit, and the policeman who lived over the road pretty much said the same
I wouldn’t go near someone in the OP’s situation.
Yes there is a real person underneath every situation but the drugs alter state of mind so much that they are not a rational human at that point.
I am amused by this idea that junkies are violent homicidal maniacs. The truth is far from that. I think some folk may be confusing them with folk high on cocaine and alcohol - now they can be violent and nasty and often are but smackheads - it just does not work like that.
squirrelking, that's a lot of what if's.
I count two, so you've got a lot of balls saying that 😁.
Never read the daily mail tjagain.
My points are valid. People I know who've been in jail aren't victims just arseholes and scrotes, my neighbour and his mates just a few I knew and a couple of my cousins, not drug addicts or abused just thieving and violent pricks.
Everytime theres a break in near me and they get caught it's been people from the neighbouring council estates, I think that the same nationwide.
People have different views and opinions, pointless getting nasty with people on forums just because they think differently.
Thinking 'you should all be like me and do what I say' is a bit Kim Jung un.
Everytime theres a break in near me and they get caught it’s been people from the neighbouring council estates
Well it's not going to be nice well off people from the suburbs, is it...
People I know who’ve been in jail aren’t victims just arseholes and scrotes
Arseholes and scrotes can be victims too.
You're right though, some people are just animals, despite being given every opportunity to be something better. They are not the majority of people in the criminal justice system, though.
I worked with very vulnerable kids and kids in the care system for 15 years. The damage that had been done to these kids and the failures inherent in the system made prison almost inevitable for many.
It's easy for us outside of their lives to judge people for what we see as choices, because we have choices. For a lot of these kids, there are no good choices. The problem is, to the average punter, these kids are just arseholes or scrotes.
it just does not work like that.
The fact that people seemingly don't know 'how it works' would rather justify exercising a degree of caution, would it not?
"Sorry for waking you dear, but it's 3:45am and someone appears to be attempting to kick the front door in. Would you pop down and ask him what he's off his tits on, so that I can google stereotypical behavioural characteristics in order to ascertain whether he's likely to murder us to death?"
the very fact that he is passed out on the floor on a cold night would say that! thats the key thing. How can anyone leave someone lying unconscious on the floor outside on a cold night.
am amused by this idea that junkies are violent homicidal maniacs. The truth is far from that
I can assure you Mrs FD has plenty of first hand experience. When a junkie needs a hit they are nasty pieces of work.
the very fact that he is passed out on the floor on a cold night would say that!
Conversely, I'm severely allergic to being stabbed.
Honestly, in this situation I don't know what I'd do. I'd draw the line at wishing him dead but there's too many variables here. What were his intentions when (hypothetically) hammering on my door, was he looking for a nice cup of tea and a sit down or was his goal to get a bit rapey at knifepoint before making off in my car? Is he "passed out," asleep, or faking it in the hope I'll investigate? Maybe I'd have chucked a blanket over him, but I wouldn't be getting anywhere in range of a surprise needle from a suddenly-startled scrote.
So as I said I think on page 2, I'd have followed whatever advice the emergency services had given me. If they took an hour to get a bus to him, they must not have thought he was in immediate danger.
Is he “passed out,” asleep, or faking it in the hope I’ll investigate?
So after ten minutes you thought he was still faking it.
After twenty minutes..
After thirty minutes...
After forty minutes...
Even if it was mid-summer that’s a hellishly patient mugger.
I get that a tiny never of people have had bad experiences, but the notion that someoe passed out is likely to assault you is a nonsense.
And most of them chose the path they took,
Well done, you have won this weeks super tory ****er award.
endomick
And most of them chose the path they took, I’ve no sympathy for someone who says I wonder what heroin is like.
How many "junkies" have you actually had a proper conversations with about why they took heroin in the first place. I've dealt with a lot, and the answer is usually something to the effect of "my life is so shit in the first place I don't care if I die, and if this might take me away from reality for a period it might seem better". Its a spiral from then on. There must be people who just take it for a laugh, or because they believe they are different and won't get hooked or something - but I've never come across one - perhaps they are the lucky ones who move on and so never end up "in the system". You can rationalise it all you want that not everyone who's life is "comparably bad" goes on to become a heroin user but thats a bit like saying not everyone who has depression needs medical treatment, or not everyone who went to Eton goes on to be in the Cabinet. Look at it the other-way round - how bad would your life have to be, or what would have had to happen to you that taking heroin seemed like it would make things better? I've had that conversation with a few people who still insist that they are stronger than that - most of them go home after a shit day/week at work and declare that they really need a pint.
Heard too many horrible stories of how smack heads have come around in A&E to attack the staff. Once upon a time they may have been nice people, but at that point when they need a fix they are nasty horrible people.
In many such cases the unconscious user has been given Naloxone wiping out the benefit of the high - they aren't aggressive because of the drugs - they are aggressive because now they are going to have to go and steal more shit to fund more drugs. Of course, other drugs may have different effects. Politicians have the ability to solve most of this shit if they are just brave enough.
squirrelking, that’s a lot of what if’s.
I count two, so you’ve got a lot of balls saying that 😁
Hmm, so not only are you an unpleasant * but you're also a thick unpleasant *.
Let's count shall we?
What if that door gave way,
One
what if it was your gran,
Two
someone with a weak heart
Three
, a single mum with a baby.
Four
Does your bleeding heart still have sympathy for him and his addiction after he kills
Five
or rapes someone
Six
maybe the drugs aren’t to blame, some people are just twisted individuals anyway. Council estates have plenty people who will terrorise and ruin other people’s lives,
Seven
beat up and rob the vulnerable for fun
Eight
See, easy, and you could do it all with both hands.
I know of a few people who started taking heroin recreationally moving on from cocaine and weed. They had jobs and seemed to function quite normally.its just you don't hear about these people.lots of them smoke it though although some of them didn't.not sure if they've gone downhill since but my guess is that they have just carried on.
Squirrelking, I was perfectly civil with you and technically it was only two what if's, but also a joke, hence the smiley face.
For someone with supposedly high mortality you do a lot of name calling / insult slinging and seem to have control issues as well as no sense of humour. I cant help but wonder if you'd be this bolshy face to face or just big n brave when hiding behind your keyboard.
You are such a contradiction and a phoney,
I'm neither a thick or unpleasant *, I think you fit the bill on that one cos I'm not picking a fight and being aggressive.
Kerley, you forgot to call me a troll as well,
typical judgemental wet blanket response from you though. But I vote labour, beeatch.
See, even my retort is politer and after being called a * as well. Practice what you preach and judge yourself as much as you judge others.
Everybody assuming they know what drugs this guy was on, maybe he was just a violent drunk or insane, the OP's description doesnt sound like he passed out, more like he decided to lie down for a bit, intoxicated people do some mental sh!t. And he did turn out to be fine after all. I doubt the paramedics lost any sleep over him.
I've only had one addict tell me why she started, it was just what her group of friends were doing at the time so she joined in. She caught AIDS sharing syringes and died when her body stopped coping with the tri-therapy.
I shared a front door with the local drug advice and rehab centre for 10 years. My business was on the second floor and they were on the first floor. The door was never kicked in. I was usually the one to open up in the morning and their clients were often there early for their methodone. No problems, even when they were in a state they remained quiet and polite. One came up to nosy around our place one day (we never felt the need to lock the door in the day) and tried to run off with the cash, but Madame was faster than him.
When I found a drunk/drugged bod crashed out on the pavement I checked he was in a safe position and breathing and left him. I checked on him a couple of times and the third time he'd gone. If he had still been there I'd have called the emergency services as it was freezing.
How can anyone leave someone lying unconscious on the floor outside on a cold night.
OP didn't do that though did they. They called the emergency services, which was an absolutely reasonable thing to do in the circumstances.
did he go and check on him - no - therefore he left an unconscious man lying in the cold!
Squirrelking, I was perfectly civil with you and technically it was only two what if’s, but also a joke, hence the smiley face.
For someone with supposedly high mortality you do a lot of name calling / insult slinging and seem to have control issues as well as no sense of humour. I cant help but wonder if you’d be this bolshy face to face or just big n brave when hiding behind your keyboard.
You are such a contradiction and a phoney,
I’m neither a thick or unpleasant ****, I think you fit the bill on that one cos I’m not picking a fight and being aggressive.
You pick an odd place to crack a joke. FWIW telling someone they have a lot of balls for saying something isn't usually something that gets reacted to positively. Wink or not. I have a perfectly fine sense of humour but there is a time and a place and this isn't it.
As for face to face I guess you'll probably never know. Unless you want to organise a double header with Kryten and his nemesis. You are talking utter mince though, it's telling that those who actually have experience of dealing with these folk are the ones contradicting you. Your junkies sound like they leapt straight out A Clockwork Orange/ The Purge.
TL,DR - is the crazy guy still there, unconscious on the lawn?
When I first moved into my current place, had some hoody kicking our front door repeatedly, looked totally dead in the eyes and face. I shit myself and stood behind locked door shouting **** off repeatedly alternated with threats to call the police until he left. He never said a word. Got back in bed after calming down a bit.
I think the discussion falls in to 3 camps, those who deal with addicts who are searching for help, who see very needy vulnerable people, and those who deal with addicts who are nasty aggressive people who will do anything to get their next hit, and then those that think people doing abnormal things is well abnormal, like trying to gain access to you house in the middle of the night.
This bloke wasn’t should “help me” as he banged on the door.
Sex, Drugs & Murder, Life in the Red Light Zone: 13. And The Beat Goes On: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p05hln4n via @bbciplayer
That is a very good series to watch. Has mixtures of all the behaviours in it talked about in this thread.
Squirrel, let me break down the joke for you, you described 2 what if's as "A LOT", you hopefully have 2 balls, hence the joke you have "A LOT" of balls.
The fact that I have to explain a joke to you is embarrassing considering you called me thick.
Theres no need for abuse just because of a difference of opinion, change my mind instead of just calling me a ****,
Anyway, nobody died and nobody knows what was in the guys system, he could just of been a p!sshead. It's not exactly the darkest subject matter out there, lighten up.
Can't say I'd have done anything different to the OP if I were in the same situation. The lack of police response is understandable if there's no on-going threat (and there were no officers in the area readily available), they should have done a drive by at some point to check on the situation though.
Someone high on heroin might be pretty calm/relaxed but there's plenty of other drugs out there or general mental health issues that could cause a violent reaction. Spice for one comes to mind, it's not as though the OP drug-tested the guy. And no I'm not talking from Daily Mail reading 'experience', I've been around a lot of drug users over the years.
I agree the chances of a violent reaction from someone are likely very small and I applaud those who would act and try to help the person but I also wouldn't criticise those who would choose not to.
Well I got the joke endo.
To be fair, wanting to give some nobhead a good hiding for trying to cave your door in in the middle of the night seems pretty normal (for a non coward) to me, if anything just to stop him having a go at another house, I'd feel pretty bad if I did nothing and he went and kicked in old Mrs Kelly's weaker door further down the street.
I shudder to think what greens family would have had to deal with if the door gave out.
It's easy to judge already knowing the outcome with the fella being on the floor and all, but greeny didn't know this when he went after him, and expecting him to check his vitals and get close enough to check he's still breathing, come off it, should he give him mouth to mouth as well, at least he called for an ambulance, probably thinking they'd be 10 or 15 mins.
There's a vid on youtube from Charlie Veitch about crackheads attacking a preacher at Manchester piccadily Gardens and the reluctance of passers-by to give a toss, a truer reflection on society I think. I see hundreds of people just walk past the spice zombies there.