Rescind your silly laws and make it go away overnight. The ball's in your court.
Tj has it right.. its not comparable to drink driving imo.
Maybe not, but I'd still rather heftier sentences for both drink and drug driving. This banning them then they're caught again driving without a license, then they get a further ban bollocks boils my piss. First offence, ban, caught driving again during ban, 5 years prison, caught drink driving again after ban is complete, 5 year ban, crush motor, then 5 years prison. Fit all cars with breath test immobilisers, don't pass, car goes nowhere. Don't fit an immobilizer, your insurance is 5 grand a year.
Where I am we've got a neighbour who puffs away like it's going out of fashion with her mate, then her mate jumps in a car, usually because they are both nurses and they're going to work.
We have a school at the end of the road where at least 3 regular cars pull up in the car park at different times of the day for a smoke before going on their way.
I don't care what the opinion is on drug smoking and driving is, pretty sure the law is clear and most opinions are likely to change if one of their family is taken out by some prat who thinks they're fine to drive after a smoke.
Same here. Nobhead teen next door constantly getting high with his friends in his mum's garage 15 years ago, has turned into a nobhead 30-y-o next door still living at home with his mum who now gets high in his mum's garden (or hanging out his bedroom window).
Now I'm a live-and-let-live kinda guy, but I hate the stink of weed, especially when it invariably wafts into my house. And his is some seriously strong weed.
Have seriously thought about shopping him to the Feds. At the very least his drug use counts as anti-social behaviour if it's affecting his neighbours, doesn't it??
As for the op, I'm calling the claims as potentially dubious given the op is a bit of a curtain twitcher when it come to his neighbours and likes to take photos of their windows and post them online. 😆
We all contribute to negative outcomes whether we're consuming oil, food, cheap clothing etc etc.
0 DB would be the volume setting on a classic amp, were the the volume nob cuts the output... so 0db would be full volume
re neighbour(s)
best bet.. "oi mate can you do me a favour, move down the garden a bit when you're have a smoke it's stinking me out in here"
is it? Shit, am I PM now? 🤣🤣The ball’s in your court.
I don't drive myself so have never bothered looking into how they test for this stuff. But do agree anyone under the influence should probably give themselves a good 8 hours of kip and a few hours on top of that before driving. At least 16 hours would seem like good advice to me.
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The ball’s in your court.is it? Shit, am I PM now?
Not as far as I'm aware, but the collective attitude of curtain twitchers united is the issue here. 😆
Rescind your silly laws and make it go away overnight. The ball’s in your court.
Absolutely. People are always gonna want to get high. They've given the industry to organised criminals.
As for grassing people up, I just think it's vindictive and cowardly behaviour. Using the police as a weapon whilst hiding behind anonymity. My own personal bugbear is people operating power tools. Right now I'm sat in the garden enjoying the fine weather and some git is running a chainsaw.
I just have to own the fact that I have failed to earn enough money in order to live on my own private island, and as such have to share the environment with nobheads. If it was a Sunday I might go and ask them politely whether they really need to be doing that, or I could just do what I normally do: pray to god that they have a nasty accident. I don't start thinking of ways I can get them in trouble with the police.
Drink driving you can demonstrate clear imoairmenr even at a level of 20. Thats the scots limit because the evidence is clear. Cannabis and driving its impossible to do so unil you get the levels equivalent to paralytic drunk. It simply does not effect you motor skills and reflexes in the same way.
Tne blood limits are totally arbitary without any scientifuc basis
The do cross potentiate tho so a small amount of alcohol plus a small amount of cannabis means you are very impaired
It doesn't affect you the same way, agreed TJ, should still be a zero tolerance approach to it though as much as possible. It's still impairment.
I don't know the details of the test, but I'm pretty sure they'll be sensitive enough to let the polis know if someone smoked a joint an hour ago as opposed to 16 hours ago? I'd imagine the levels although stay in your system for a month drop off pretty quickly?
You could be over the blood limit days after your last joint.
Need a better test then.
If it was zero tolerance then its detecable for weeks p
Needs a li.it with a scientific basis ie at the point of impairment
As above i have seen a man clearly very stoned pass the impairment test. Walk in a line and stand on one foot etc tests
Did say as much as possible. But still, sounds like a few quid to be made for any budding chemists out there with knowledge of improving the sensitivity of such tests.
As above i have seen a man clearly very stoned pass the impairment test. Walk in a line and stand on one foot etc tests
Yeah, that kinda test does seem pretty useless tbh, you generally don't lose your balancing skills while stoned.
Smoking weed in his own back garden - not a problem, live and let live.
You having to smell it - not acceptable, have a word
Playing Phil Collins - straight red card, three match ban.
Driving when skunked - total prick, if they've smoked enough to get high then no way should they be driving.
It's easy to test for. Put a bar of chocolate in front of them and if they resist send them on their way, if the have the munchies send them down.
If you were to have a scrap with your neighbour who would win? If the answer is you, then pop round and ask him to pack it in.
Take the valve cores out of his wheels.
Seosamh77
The blood tests plenty good enough. Its the political decision of what level constitutes a ban is the issue.
The problem is that there is no scientific consensus what the ban level should be as there is no decent data to base it on
Fair enough. Might look into it in more detail sometime, out of curiosity.
tbf I've seen loads of people drive while stoned. They just don't recognise they are impaired.
Anyhow, a wee public awareness campaign probably wouldn't go a miss. Something involving the 16 hours I mentioned before. It'll not stop it all, but might make a lot of people reassess their own actions.
best bet.. “oi mate can you do me a favour, move down the garden a bit when you’re have a smoke it’s stinking me out in here”
Not an option. He is a violent, psychotic thug.
I did think I was right in some respects with the 0.0 dB thing...
BTW - after Phil Collins, he started playing Bob Marley - I shit thee not.
Not an option. He is a violent, psychotic thug.
God help you if the police cough that it was you that grassed him up (or he just guesses it was you). Best move house then.
I'd probably just shut the back windows myself and open the front yins. 😆 Mind you, I'd probably just join him out the back.
my neighbour is a member of the police, while chatting over the fence it wafted over the gardens and he looked pretty irate. not something he wants stopping him and his young kids from enjoying their garden.
i said there was a guy a few doors up who was quite keen on it, but hes moved now and ive no idea about the woman who replaced him, could just be kids in the park.
he did suggest that if he got any indication of a house number, rather than just yoots in the park, they would be getting a knock.
apparently they now have a pretty good spot test, so can act on it a lot more easily.
as most would say: live and let live, except when its making your who garden stink of sweaty armpit
as most would say: live and let live, except when its making your who garden stink of sweaty armpit
It is bloody horrible. It actually does smell of BO. Used to quite like getting the odd waft of hash in a beer garden, but this new-fangled crackweed is awful.
psychotic thug and phil collins fan? boy's got some serious issues...
What's all this rubbish about curtain twitching.
If, like us you are adjoined to a house where the stench (from the prevailing wind, we live on a hill see) comes in through the windows whenever the neighbours are at home, then it really is inconsiderate , selfish and thoughtless not to mention unhealthy.
I really don't want to have to put up with her and her 3 mates sitting in the back garden (she calls it her land) on the hottest day of the year and have to have all our windows closed, because our house is filled with the stink (even with curtains closed its getting through.
There are some people wjo just don't give a single toss about anyone else in the their lives, this includes their children and animals.
Not to mention their dog barking all day Sunday.
I'm at the end of my tether frankly.
Edit: forgot to mention hubby and I both work from home.
I guess there'd be a few vegans out there who feel the same way everytime the bacon goes on or a bbq gets lit. A truly awful predicament.
Crackweed. Just cause the stuff years ago was shit, doesn't make this stuff crackweed. 😆
Anyhow what else banning. Barbecues no a fan of my hoose stinking of other people's smoke. Wood burning stoves?
The opposite is true, it’s the prohibitionists that enable a black market and all that goes with it.
Don’t blame me for the consequences of your perverse laws.
That as maybe but until the law changes you're an enabler. No point saying "ah yeah but change the law etc...." Until that law is changed my point stands & you are part of the process that's making someone somewheres life a misery.
Same as you then Lebowski I guess.
Drink driving you can demonstrate clear imoairmenr even at a level of 20. Thats the scots limit because the evidence is clear.
As my old chemistry teacher used to say, 20 whats? elephants!
The limits for alcohol in Scotland are:
22 ug/100mL breath
50 mg/100mL blood
67 mg/100mL urine
being detected over any one of those will see you prosecuted. It's the police's choice which of those samples are used, there isn't a perfect correlation between breath-blood-urine and there certainly isn't an absolute number that all human beings start to being impaired by alcohol. As you know the thresholds are different in other countries.
The limit for THC is 2 ug/L blood. [its written in the UK legislation as ug/L but this is directly equivalent to 2 ng/mL which is how most other countries describe it]
In both cases its irrelevant whether you were actually impaired or now - that's why the proscribed limits were set - to remove any debate on the field impairment test. If you are over the limit - toughshit. You can still be prosecuted for being impaired (usually based on evidence from a doctor) even if you are not above the limits. Now it *might* be that virtually nobody is impaired at 2 ug/L, but that sort of number is widely used for workplace, transport rules globally. Its achievable, not just by the non-drug using public but by social users who responsibly leave a long period before driving/working.
Same as you then Lebowski I guess.
County lines are brutal & unforgiving. Spend some time learning about them & then ask yourself whether or not you want to be part of the harm & suffering they bring. Buying drugs from those lines makes you a part of the process. Until the law changes that's the way it is - no amount of home spun stoner philosophy changes that. I am nothing like you.
County lines jaysus wept 🤣
I don't think there's many young kids cuckooing with a pocket full of grass to sell is there?
Sanctimonious and naive to believe your actions go without consequence.
Legalise it then. Job jobbed. You're the one that is maintaining the black market status quo, not me.
Your war on drugs lost before it even started. You can pretend it's effective all you like.
Meanwhile, I'll continue to get weed delivered in about 20minutes any time it takes my fancy.
County lines jaysus wept 🤣
I don’t think there’s many young kids cuckooing with a pocket full of grass to sell is there?
Sanctimonious and naive to believe your actions go without consequence.
Deluded not to mention hypocritical.
Legalise it then. Job jobbed. You’re the one that is maintaining the black market status quo, not me.
Your war on drugs lost before it even started. You can pretend it’s effective all you like.
Meanwhile, I’ll continue to get weed delivered in about 20minutes any time it takes my fancy.
Did I advocate it's effectiveness? No, but nice try putting words in my mouth. You failed.
If there were a way to legalise drugs without the criminals profiting then I'd be right behind it. You see a lot less stoners punching each other on a saturday night then drunks.
I want to see people live without fear or pain or misery & your 20m drug delivery isn't helping. Wake up & smell the coffee.
You advocate prohibition. It's your attitude that enables the black market.
Completely legalise it. Set taxation at a level that is competitive and the black market will almost disappear over night.
Your choice. I'm fully behind routing the black market. I'm just waiting on people like yourself realising it's the only way to deal with it.
I’m fully behind routing the black market.
i think you’re kidding yourself there. if you were you’d make other arrangements for getting your drugs.
grow your own, or order the stuff made in a lab directly from overseas using the dark web are 2 options that spring to mind. you’d be putting yourself at greater risk, though.
by legalizing drugs are you including everything, or just weed? i can’t see the british public at large being able to handle that particularly well. they’d go crazy for it.
however, prohibition doesn’t work.
Are you high right now? 😂 I don’t think [i]anyone[/i] here is advocating prohibition - but that is the reality of the situation at the moment, and no amount of deranged ranting on an Internet forum will change that, unfortunately.
I could remember the units poly🤣
Yes over the limit for either alcohol or cannabis means a driving ban. The dufference is the evidence base. Is there fir the scots alcohol limit. Its not for the uk cannabis limit.
Evidence based practice
