[Closed] No ticket!!!! - get off my train!!!!

Can someone explain what is going on there? I have no sound.

It looks like a normal commute to me...

Like x 100. 😀

Away the big man!
Quite bloody right too!

Good drills.

Thats the way to solve it.

i wonder if he gets paid to do that....

love the round of applause. I wonder if the free loader kicked the shit out of the old fella once the train departed?

Move, now MOVE

No messing 😉

We need more vigilantes like this.
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A similar thing happened on a bus we were on near Loughborough last year, except there were four scrotes and only five passengers, two of whom were elderly. The driver stopped the bus next to another bus in the middle of nowhere so there were two drivers and two controllers, and the police were called. Nothing was happening apart from the four scrotes behaving threateningly so one of the other passengers paid for tickets for the scrotes to diffuse the situation and get the busses moving.

The scrotes are in the habit of winning

Jings; Chuck Norris has aged!

As admirable the actions of Big Man are, there's a whole raft of legal issues going on there. Not least assault.

And what if the non-payer had bin a Big Man himself? Or armed with stabby things?

Hmm, it's a tricky one that, to see the 'right' answer really.

If you imagine a worst case scenario; No Pay is grabbed by Big Man, No Pay panics and stabs Big Man in jugular, causing massive sudden blood loss. No Pay runs off, and is never caught.

Man dead, over a five-pound ticket. Children orphaned, family in mourning. Kids grow up without a father figure, and no respect for society, regularly travel on trains without paying, use sickening violence to those who dare question their actions.

And there's a small child there too.

I don't need to spell it out, do I? 😐

what a champ 😀

I don't need to spell it out, do I?

Unfortunately you probably will.

Dont returns normally only cost 10-20p more anyway.

1. Why didnt he originally buy a return ?
2. Was there an option to upgrade to the return for 10-20p ?
Did the conductor offer to let him upgrade. I have a feeling you cant once you've brought a single you need to buy the another single to return. So the guy might have felt like he was entitled to stay on the train because he'd only paid 10-20p less out of say £5.

Alot of the trouble with train fares is caused by stupid rules the train companies have brought in.

There was a case recently it went something like this, I think the guy worked in Newcastle and brought a return to London to go to a business meeting. But he lived in Sunderland or Durham or somewhere so he got off early on the way back. They would nt let him out of the station until he'd paid for a single from London.

Apparently he should of stayed on the train to Newcastle and then got another train home.

Seems mad to me.

Kids grow up without a father figure, and no respect for society,

get a grip you clown 😆

Tosh. The right answer is most certainly portrayed in the video. Selfish wee bampot feels he is entitled to travel without paying, unlike the rest of the passengers, and then inconveniences everybody by not just coughing up or getting off. Shouts and swears (in front of 'forementioned small kids) too. Go on yersel' big man.

We have an Australian friend who comes and visits occasionally. She can't believe the way yoofs behave on public transport, and she [i]always[/i] says something, even if it's just to ask them to turn the 'music' off on their phone. She can't get her head round the way everyone else just sits and pretends it's not happening.

Polmont - Hmmm - Wonder if he was trying to get away from the YOI.

[i]Man dead, over a five-pound ticket.[/i]

Not quite the point though is it, at what point do you just let people do exactly what they like in case the worst happens?

[i]No Pay is grabbed by Big Man, No Pay panics and stabs Big Man in jugular, causing massive sudden blood loss. No Pay runs off, and is never caught.[/i]

Aye - I've seen the video
😉

scu98rkr - Member
1. Why didnt he originally buy a return ?

I suspect he didnt even buy a ticket & found a disgarded ticket & tried to pass it off, standard effort

saw this last night. Elfin does have a valid point about the worst case scenario, but it is nice to see the wee dick get put in his place for a change as someone up there said "The scrotes are in the habit of winning" because decent people like to keep the peace.

"The scrotes are in the habit of winning" because decent people like to keep the peace.

How true is that, if that train was down south, there would have been a load of newspaper shuffling going on from everyone & that's it!

😉

Yeah but the thing is right, a worse crime has bin committed to deal with a relatively very minor infringement.

See, if No Pay reports that he was assaulted, which he was, then Big Man could be facing criminal charges. Far worse than whatever the fine is for No Pay.

I'm surprised Train Man does not in any way issue No Pay with a fine, aksherly. Cos that's what train bods do down here in Civilisation.

That would actually have bin a far better way to deal with the situation. Stay on the train, and be fined, or get off and buy a ticket.

And hark at the Sanctimonious Brigade. Right, cos you've never bunked the fare, ever? Right, ok...

And I bet most of you use your mobile 'phones whilst driving. something that could have potentially lethal consequences.

It's a bit of petty fare evasion. There's global chaos, war, famine, didease and destruction, and people get worked up over crap like this....

Cos that's what train bods do down here in Civilisation.

Aye we've seen what happens on the train and trams down there in "Civilisation" 😆

hmm, I''d have just bought the young lad a ticket, bollocks to all this greedy, aggressive and selfish posturing

The scrotes learned they are untouchable in school. They learned that all the authority anyone in authority apart from the police really has is the ability to say "please". Kids know they are untouchable in school and in that bus near Loughborough the scrotes kept reminding the conductor "you can't touch me/us" just like they do to teachers in schools. If the drivers and conductors weren't prepared to break the "don't touch" rule I wasn't either.

saw this last night. Elfin does have a valid point about the worst case scenario, but it is nice to see the wee dick get put in his place for a change as someone up there said "The scrotes are in the habit of winning" because decent people like to keep the peace.

In this case, I agree, but on the other hand, this kind of action (throwing someone off a train for refusing to buy a ticket) is either right or wrong. Who thinks it would've been ok to throw off a disabled woman for doing the same thing?

The benefits of living in Scotland. There's always a harder man in the crowd somewhere. The scrotes get a kicking.

So do the terrorists for that matter.

Who thinks it would've been ok to throw off a disabled woman for doing the same thing?

He wasnt a disabled women though was he. Seemed quite able when he was resisting.

Who thinks it would've been ok to throw off a disabled woman for doing the same thing?

Me.

The benefits of living in Scotland. There's always a harder man in the crowd somewhere. The scrotes get a kicking.

So do the terrorists for that matter.

You forgot the Catholics and Protestants at Old Firm matches. 😉

Yeah but the thing is right, a worse crime has bin committed to deal with a relatively very minor infringement

Er... didn't see any other "crime" being committed.

And hark at the Sanctimonious Brigade. Right, cos you've never bunked the fare, ever? Right, ok...

Nah. Pay the fare always.

Can kind of see where you are coming from but don't necessarily agree with you. Scrotes like that behave in that way because they can. No one challenges, keep on doing. What would your solution be? Just ignore it and let things get worse?

He wasnt a disabled women though was he. Seemed quite able when he was resisting.

So is it ok to throw an able-bodied young man off, but not a disabled woman? If so, why?

Me.

Would you do the throwing then?

What if it's a really big, mean looking bloke? What you gonna do then? Throw him off the train?

What if it's a whole gang of nasty looking Rangers/Celtic fayns?

hmm, I''d have just bought the young lad a ticket, bollocks to all this greedy, aggressive and selfish posturing

Ah, someone capable of rational thought at last! 😀

So is it ok to throw an able-bodied young man off, but not a disabled woman? If so, why?

Didnt say it wasnt.

Nah. Obey the speed limit always.

Can kind of see where you are coming from but don't necessarily agree with you. The majority of motorists behave in that way because they can. No one challenges, keep on doing. What would your solution be? Just ignore it and let things get worse?

?

Didnt say it wasnt.

Which is why I asked you a question. What's your answer?

Coyote
Er... didn't see any other "crime" being committed.

Really? clear assault at least.

No ticket no ride. Why the emotive use of the term "disabled" do disabled people have more rights than non disabled?

here we go 😉

Tea anyone?

No ticket no ride. Why the emotive use of the term "disabled" do disabled people have more rights than non disabled?

You haven't answered my question. Do you think that if a disabled woman was fare-dodging, she should have been thrown off in the same manner?

Er... didn't see any other "crime" being committed.

There's none so blind as those who can't see...

I suggest you read up on a bit of Law then, in that case.

I find it intriguing (and somewhat ironic) that people are quick to condemn a minor infraction, yet condone a much worse crime. So, if you're going to insist someone stick to the rules all the time, then that has to be applied unilaterally.

Otherwise you're a hypocrite. It's as simple as that.

Do you think that if a disabled woman was fare-dodging, she should have been thrown off in the same manner?

Thats not the question you asked. Which one would you like me to answer?

Really? clear assault at least.

Surely Big Man is entitled to use reasonable force if he feels that Wee Scrote is threatening to himself or others (including the conductor)?

Would you do the throwing then?

Nope. I'm a lover not a fighter.

But neither do I think the hypothetical disabled women should be allowed to break the law and be abusive or threatening to the rail staff just because she is hypothetically disabled.

What if it's a really big, mean looking bloke? What you gonna do then? Throw him off the train?

What if it's a whole gang of nasty looking Rangers/Celtic fayns?

Then I'd wait for the Transport Police to deal with it while muttering under my breath.

Apart from the fact he was travelling with a ticket valid for the OPPOSITE direction to which he was travelling.
Im must admit, after watching that, thinking what if the scum had pulled a knife or, wonder if the big man has been arrested for assault on the scum?
Too many people look the other way because they "dont want to get involved".
I got assaulted once and my "best friend" stood by and watched, then called me an "effing grass" when I got the police involved. Words fail me to this day about that arsehole.

Surely Big Man is entitled to use reasonable force if he feels that Wee Scrote is threatening to himself or others (including the conductor)?

Where was the threat?

Thats not the question you asked. Which one would you like me to answer?

You haven't answered either of my very similar questions, so feel free to choose.

No pay, was clearly a cock and deserved everything and more.

cos you've never bunked the fare, ever? Right, ok...

automatic ticketing barriers have largely put paid to this

every time I've ever been challenged for a ticket I've had one or bought one, not held up a train load of people 🙂

Surely Big Man is entitled to use reasonable force if he feels that Wee Scrote is threatening to himself or others (including the conductor)?

There was no 'threatening' going on at all, no matter how you chose to interpret things to suit your own agenda.

Big Man should keep his haynds to himself. He is not above the Law. All he's done is make himself worse than No Pay. I'd be quite happy if he gets done for assault cos of this, actually. 😀

Nope. I'm a lover not a fighter.

Unless you're prepared to take action yourself, then it's probbly best to keep quiet. Otherwise you're just a hypocrite.

Sorry, don't mean to be rude, but if you think it through, you'll see that I'm right.

So, to those defending said fare dodger, what is the solution? Fare dodger is allowed to travel FOC? What about the folk who pay? Maybe next time they shouldn't bother either.

who is defending the fare dodger? the police had been called. Let them deal with it

But neither do I think the hypothetical disabled women should be allowed to break the law and be abusive or threatening to the rail staff just because she is hypothetically disabled.

Neither do I, and nor did I suggest that she should. I also don't think that she should be physically assaulted.

The solution is simple, and one that I've seen at first hand: the inspector phones the transport police, who wait at the next station.

On a wider point, there's an awful lot of puffed-chest moralising on this thread, from people who I suspect commit more serious law-breaking on a regular basis.

So someone should have bought him a ticket so that no one should be offended or hurt?

Next time the fare dodger thinks 'why bother even buying a single fare, I'll not bother at all as someone else will pay'

The big guy was proportionate, the old ticket man was in no position to remove the fare dodger so the big man kindly offered to help, the fare dodger still refused so the big man removed him, the fare dodger still wiggled and squirmed so the bigger man had to remove the fare dodger a little more forcedly.

There's none so blind as those who can't see...

Wow, you don't say!!!! 😯

The big guy was proportionate

I thought his head looked a little small for his body, but that cooduv bin the camera angle.

I do find it surprising that a rail company is prepared to break it's contract with hundreds of customers because of one non-payer. I surprised that the bus near Loughborough stopped in the middle of nowhere to await the Police thus inconveniencing the other passengers and leaving them at risk of assault from four scrotes.

You haven't answered either of my very similar questions, so feel free to choose

I answered the first one, you introduced "thrown off in the same manner?? because you wanted to introduce a bit of melodrama.
Anyway, what about answering mine?

Wrong. Read up on the Law. Knowledge is a wonderful thing.

Have to drop insults to get your points across as fact?

On a wider point, there's an awful lot of puffed-chest moralising on this thread, from people who I suspect commit more serious law-breaking on a regular basis.

Nice edit Elf

Here we go...

As a comparison, any trouble on a French train and it goes on as usual till the next station, where the Gendarmes board.

Wrong. Read up on the Law. Knowledge is a wonderful thing.

Quite. This thread is quite illuminating. I've learned that causing a minor loss to a train operator should result in you being assaulted. I wonder what the same people think about other examples of law-breaking. What would the appropriate punishment be for breaking the speed limit by 1mph?

si_progressivebikes -

The big guy was proportionate, the old ticket man was in no position to remove the fare dodger so the big man kindly offered to help, the fare dodger still refused so the big man removed him, the fare dodger still wiggled and squirmed so the bigger man had to remove the fare dodger a little more forcedly.

Si - no way - where was the threat to anyones person? there wasn't. If the big man had not intervened no one would have been assaulted.

Its neither proportionate nor commensurate. its a clear assault

I also don't think that she should be physically assaulted.

Who said she should?

On a wider point, there's an awful lot of puffed-chest moralising on this thread, from people who I suspect commit more serious law-breaking on a regular basis.

Upon what do you base your suspicions? "on a regualar basis" as well?

What would the appropriate punishment be for breaking the speed limit by 1mph?

Same as if you'd just belted through a housing estate at 150mph, apparently...

**** off you muppet. So because some of us defend the big man you naturally assume that we're committing serious crime?On what factual basis is that?

Is that the best you can do? Resort to pathetic insults? You are quite clearly not up to this, so why don't you toddle off, there's a good little boy.

It was best result all round IMO, wee dick gets put off train and embarrassed in front of his mates and the rest of the passengers get on with their journey. If it was my lad on the train and he done that he would get a slap at the house as well.

You are quite clearly not up to this

You dont seem to be doing that well yourself! Can you answer the question? or is it just one way traffic with you?

ransos - Member
Is that the best you can do? Resort to pathetic insults? You are quite clearly not up to this, so why don't you toddle off, there's a good little boy.