[Closed] 'No such thing as climate change'

big n daft - do you think that we, as humans, should clean up our act a bit and stop making such a mess of the place?

The answer to that question is about 4 pages back 😉

But we don't really want to do it, we don't tax aviation fuel, we put up wind turbines that destroy the deep peat carbon stores they are built on and never offset the embedded carbon to make them. We go for token visible gestures rather than getting to grips with the problem.

But it would be dull world if you couldn't change your iPhone every 18 months. 😉

Unfortunately, a cursory google reveals a criticism of the paper here, which does not sound quite so rosy

This is unfortunately a perfect example of how the conversation gets detailed, either intentionally or by accident. On the one hand, you have a scientific paper published in one of the most respected peer reviewed outlets. On the other is a bloke's opinion published on the web.

The two are not of an equal weight. If the bloke who wrote the web page had a credible argument, he could raise it in a letter to the editor, and have it scrutinised properly.

zokes - Member

This is unfortunately a perfect example of how the conversation gets detailed, either intentionally or by accident. On the one hand, you have a scientific paper published in one of the most respected peer reviewed outlets. On the other is a bloke's opinion published on the web.

The two are not of an equal weight. If the bloke who wrote the web page had a credible argument, he could raise it in a letter to the editor, and have it scrutinised properly.

I agree with what you said actually, and of course, the paper naturally carries massively more weight behind it. I didn't mean to derail anything, just saw the points and wondered if they were valid.

On the subject of credibility, this paper seems to be a reply to counter what the IPCC said shortly before (about revising their predictions are the models failed to match observations) which was where my original comment about models came from.

Retro83 the "criticism " does not ring true it describes the modeling of climate change as "fortuitously accurate " in predicting temperature to 2012. Ie correct but "I still think their wrong ", and in reallying on temperature alone ignores the first law of thermodynamics.

What do you do though?

Ive a 1 litre car it does 65 mpg - apparently the carbon produced by making it was worse than running my old car for another 50 years
My house is uber insulated have new boiler etc still uses a gazillion carbons a year
Recycle loads and am mindful if waste , eating meat makes me a climate monster

So what do you do?

Joolsburger run your old car don't eat meat buy energy from a renewable source, those ate the fatuous answers. Make it clear to politicians that green policies are important and just as we can all share the burden of economic cuts to save bankers we can all share the burden of trying to deal with climate change.