an article on R4 once quotes 'all dogs are 99% wild animals' so to my earlier point on size, if its too heavy to control in full red mist mode it shouldnt be allowed
It's the size, weight and jaw size thats an issue, and most, if not all of these dogs seem to be inbred.
I had the horrible task of pulling a friend's terrier of another friend's cat (in the cat's own home) - pinned the dog down and shoved both thumbs into it's throat. Dog let go and I locked it between both arms, but had to sit on it for about 10 minutes for it to calm down - the lady owner couldn't control it and I wouldn't let the dog go. Cat had to be put down due to internal injuries. Human blood everywhere from dog's owners, cat owner and I got scratches.
I’m fairly sure if the trend for dog ownership continues at the rate it is currently mandatory muzzling will be rolled out for all dogs
I'm fairly sure you're wrong 🙄
I do worry about my neice - she had two of these smaller pocket bullies (think she's got one now, but they had pups). Partner is a bit of a lad! They aren't known for looking after animals - he works away and she has to look after them - gave a couple of cats away as she couldn't cope with cats and two kids (and previous dogs they gave away). Now has this monster in the house.
"The dogs will be banned by the end of the year but we haven't defined what they are yet" is like that bit at the start of Casualty where you see a tanker full of acid driving along the road and a bus full of orphans coming the other way. I mean, I don't have any faith in this government at the best of times but this is almost doomed to be bad law.
Totally happy with the idea of taking action on dangerous dogs (and further action on their owners)but I'd like if it weren't done just to create headlines. Doing it right or well isn't even going to figure in the logic is it
Its changed though since the pandemic hasnt it?
Dogs have become a consumer item. Not working, doesnt fit my lifestyle? Just get rid (sorry "rehome"). Maybe make a few quid. Not my problem anymore.
Also a generation of dogs now 3 years old-ish not socialised, dont know how to interact. Adult 2.5-3.5 year personality now settling with reactive behavior. Permanent lead dogs.
Shirley we should ban all household pets for the sake of the environment and sustainability?
I've always been a 'not bad dogs, bad owners' but there was an interview on the radio that has made me think again on this; these types (and I know we can't define type specifically) are bred to be aggressive and as have a more than average chance of being unhinged. And then of such size and musculature that if the switch is flipped, you can't control what happens. Could be as simple as a kid standing on its foot by accident, or startling it by appearing out of nowhere while on a run. If the fight or flight impulse is then to rip your throat out, because that's their 'breed' characteristics it doesn't really matter how good or bad the ownership.
The gun analogy doesn't stand up, for me. A gun won't leap out of its holster because it's just been freaked and randomly kill or maim a passer-by on its own. These dogs might.
I used to be ok with dogs. But I have now stopped running through the woods after work due to the number of dogs and being chased 3 times last year by snarling angry dogs with the owner shouting "they won't bit you" , well I'm don't trust what they say.
Any dog that bites someone in a public place should be put down.
And the owner prosecuted as if they had attached with a weapon.
Maybe then the owners will train and control their pet so this never happens.
This has been bubbling under for a while dog fighting is back in a few areas of the UK population. See also ear cutting and tail docking.
Ironically I got bit last week by an out of control staffie and an absolute ashat of a owner.(the owner didn't bit me)
XL dogs are 99% owned for breading and drug gang status by me.
They are used as visible status of power.
Good luck banning them when the owners will just turn them out onto the streets or dump them with the RSPCA.
Just heard on BBC that 20% of incidents are XL Bully. While that's a lot for one type of dog we still have the other 80% to deal with from presumably a complete mixture of breeds...
Some kind of RSPCA/Judge Dredd mashup is clearly in order.
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Dogs have become a consumer item.
That ship sailed decades ago.
Just heard on BBC that 20% of incidents are XL Bully. While that’s a lot for one type of dog we still have the other 80% to deal with from presumably a complete mixture of breeds…
What type of incident? How many? How many dogs are there in the uk? What’s the ratio of these ‘incidents’ compared to ownership?
The dogs are 99% wild animals means nothing either.
Banning specific breeds seems difficult and a constantly moving target.
I think a better option would be to set an upper weight limit on dogs, say 20kg. Obviously it would be difficult to predict a dogs weight at birth, but breeders seem to be able to breed for certain traits, so they could breed to ensure the dog is lower than 20kg.
So, rather than control the breed of dog, it would control the damage a dog could do, and how controllable it is.
The human race is too numerous and no longer intelligent enough to own domesticated animals for recreation and the whole practice should be illegal and abandoned.
The world would be a better place without them for all inhabitants.
They say that most serious and sadistic crimes can be traced back to the perpetrators starting out on animals.
Some of you really need to go look in the mirror.
Or maybe I'm just a weird vegetarian lefty who thinks jokes about killing animals and people are in bad taste.
The Staffie isn't a particualrly big or heavy dog but they sure do bite, pk17. My mate bought one and used to turn up at the club for coffee with it. Then one day he turned up without the dog and without the end of one of his fingers. An encounter with another dog had turned his rough and tumble pet into a savage beast. And that's a breed of dog which isn't concerned by French dangerous dog laws which require muzzling some breeds in public spaces.
The human race is too numerous and no longer intelligent enough to own domesticated animals for recreation and the whole practice should be illegal and abandoned.
I can think of things I'd ban before domestic animals: powered cycles with more than 252W, cars with more than 50bhp/tonne, ICE cars, gas central heating - all do far more harm than dogs.
Madame's/our pet is a horse. I'm not into dogs but have no issues with people owning well-trained dogs on a short lead, with a muzzle if required, who pick up their shit.
People seem to own some breeds just to intimidate people, either as guard dogs or weapons they can display on the street. No you can't carry a big knife but you can have a bully XL or some other nasty hound Mr drug dealer.
No you can’t carry a big knife but you can have a bully XL or some other nasty hound Mr drug dealer.
Mr drug dealer will more than likely have a knife than a dog.
I agree that the drug dealer would be more likely to carry a knife but doing so would be arrestable at the discretion of a police office under knife or offensive weapons laws. The knife would be restricted to folding under three inches and even then covered by offensive weapons laws in which the actual or intended purpose determines if it's weapon.
Having a dog needs similar restrictions. A woman who used to work at the riding school Madame frequents was killed by her boyfriend's dog. She took the dog out for a walk and it turned on here. The dog was an illegal import the guy had trained to attack. He's currently in prison.
I was bitten (well, more a nip) on the ankle once by a small yappy dog. Apparently it was my fault because I was wearing a red coat and I looked like a postman 🤷♂️
I see today they are not going to have a mass culling of the existing bully xls, but control measures put in place. That's going to get very messy. As said previously I do have some sympathy for owners of dogs that have to date not been an issue having to euthanize their pet (no matter how poor a choice it was) but this potential fudge will make it even harder to enforce no new dogs being bred.
But the banning of pets mentioned above - I think if the world got to a place where pet ownership couldn't be a thing, I'm not sure I'd want in. I'm not say it's wise in all circumstances and all choice and behaviours are perfect, but banning - no no no.
You've got to know the limitation's of your dogs behaviour. Sister's lab is lovely, great fun, looks after his two year old toddler, but he is hard to control when he sees other big male dogs. Sister won't walk him and push a pram. He's walked twice a day, has done training, but is still a pain with other large male dogs, Other sister's cavalier seems to get pcked on by other small breeds, especially frenchies - nasty little buggers.
At least with a gun or a knife you have to make a consious choice to pull the trigger, these things are beyond the pale.
Unless its some toddler playing with that new toy their irresponsible parent left lying around.
I am not sure how a sensible law can be passed though to handle the chavs going on to the next breed.
I think a better option would be to set an upper weight limit on dogs, say 20kg
😂🙄😂
Imagine, every year you take Fido for his annual jabs, the vet weighs him and says "sorry mate, he's put on a bit of weight....we're gonna have to kill him"
Apparently it was my fault because I was wearing a red coat and I looked like a postman
Of course it was your fault. Anything a dog does, up to actually killing a member of your close family in which case you can express mild disappointment, is automatically adorable. So biting, slobbering, licking, barking, destruction of property, eating your picnic, fouling evey green space in town, these are all absolutely fine. Get with the program.
I get all the 'it's the owner' that tends to more at fault with dogs usually, but as others have said, this breed were created (through inbreeding as well) to be larger, more aggressive dogs, it's sad that good dog owners, who have brought these types of dogs into their home not for what they were bred for, but for having a family pet, and will suffer now.
We adopted a small terrier and she can nip when playful, next door have a staffie, and it does more than nip if i get my finger between her and a treat, a bully XL, that's just asking for trouble, even when playful or doing simple every day tasks.
This has been bubbling under for a while dog fighting is back in a few areas of the UK population. See also ear cutting and tail docking.
There was talk a couple of years back about this going on in the woods near where I lived. I took it with a pinch of salt because it was usually accompanied with the racial slur that starts with a P and oft preceded by ****ing, but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if that's where the output of the neighbour's puppy farm was going. The mother certainly wasn't there as a beloved house pet, only human interaction it had was when the lads rolled out bed at the crack of 3pm and started screaming at it to shut the **** up.
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That won't be the sharp end of dog fighting, that involves rape crates as if you want fighting dogs, you're selecting ones that want to do nothing other than rip the other to shreds which isn't conducive to breeding them.
Unless its some toddler playing with that new toy their irresponsible parent left lying around.
I am not sure how a sensible law can be passed though to handle the chavs going on to the next breed.Posted 4 hours ago
Could we just ban chavs. That would solve the dog issue and more
Just been stroking a massive XL bully at the caravan pub. Poor couple turned up for a drink with the bully and their springer. Both dogs were excellently behaved and both lickibg each other. A family with some young kids were next to them, and despite the kids getting both dogs excited, they were great.
Thing was the bully was more powerful than the bloke, and he was a muscled bloke. He was hanging onto it with both hands.
The dog was lovely, and literally licked everyone (me included), but if it took off even the big guy holding it would never have controlled it. Fortunately both dogs were well trained and a credit to the owners, but you are ****ed with a badly trained one, they are massive.
This sort of XL bully is also getting popular in part of SE Asia. Over there if the dog has injured someone for no reason the owner will be in for a massive retaliation and the dog will probably end up in a stew pot.
Just heard on BBC that 20% of incidents are XL Bully. While that’s a lot for one type of dog we still have the other 80% to deal with from presumably a complete mixture of breeds…
There's no accurate number for XL Bullies in the UK as there's no recognised breed standard / registering of breeders, but the estimate is 'in the thousands'. Source https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/15/why-are-american-xl-bullies-being-banned-and-how-will-it-work#:~:text=However%2C%20as%20it%20is%20not,owned%20dogs%20across%20the%20country.
There are 11 million dogs in the UK (PDSA report)
If you interpret that 1000's means 10,000 of them, that's about 0.1% of the population and yet 20% of the attacks (and further 9/21 fatal attacks)
Even if it's 100,000, that's 1% of the population.
There's no denying, there is an issue with these dogs that is not explained by training or lack of.
He was hanging onto it with both hands.
Does not compute with
both dogs were well trained
Ban all dogs, every single one of them.
<p style="text-align: left;">That will sort it.</p>
Genius. Proper vote winner there, in a nation of dog lovers
When faced with political dilemmas, the UK's traditional solution has been partition: Cyprus, Ireland, Palestine... So I think we should continue that line and say all the dog lovers should move to Wales, and a line of snipers set up along the Severn Bridge on ramp.
What is a Chav?
Well to me it just meant a kid or kids but was used as derogatory name for working class kids etc in the late 90’s. It seems to have stuck!
I heard a sensible comment earlier from someone - no one has ever heard of a fatality caused by a King Charles Spaniel with a bad owner.
Sure some XL Bullys are soft as the proverbial, but their sheer musculature and power mean they are far more capable of killing than a smaller breed.
But... Alsatians, Rottweilers etc people will say. And they are partly right. But fighting dogs are a specific thing and a specific problem. Working dogs are bred for a certain level of aggression if they are to work with other animals. They need treating with caution. But dogs that are bred specifically to fight/kill - that is a different level and one that is too far in my opinion.
I'm sure there are plenty of folk in the US who own assault rifles who have never used one to kill someone. But it gives them the capability and assault rifles are anti-personnel weapons, not for hunting, target shooting etc.
What is a Chav?
Disaffected urban yoof.
These Bully XLs are just the sort extreme end point of the UK dog obsession. The posters above that say "ban dogs" kind of have a point that you can't solve the Bully XL problem without fixing the culture that says it's OK to shit up every park, for it to be OK to have every walk / picnic / playpark / school drop-off affected by out of control dogs or one kind or another.
It's like deciding road deaths have got out of hand and banning luminous green Ford Focus RSs (because the old list that had orange XR2s and Red Sierra Cosworths is out of date).
But we have an incompetent government who're focused on getting through the next media cycle rather than doing anything effective or sustainable.
for it to be OK to have every walk / picnic / playpark / school drop-off affected by out of control dogs or one kind or another.
Every? Or you being a bit melodramatic?
<p style="text-align: left;">I'll think about while I'm cleaning dug shite off my kids running shoes this evening. Which is apparently a normal thing to do in this country.</p>
