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As an English born man with a very english name and accent I can tell you categorically this is not true. anti english sentiment is on the wane and it is much less than it used to be
i am highly amused by folk who live in England telling me what is happening in Scotland
I'm not disagreeing with you, but do temper your perspective with you living in a gentrified area of Edinburgh. Not Methil.
Anti English sentiment is posted on Facebook that I'll see. And anti immigrant sentiment is posted routinely, both on local community pages and Fife wide pages. The anti immigrant stuff is often related to insinuating criminality of one type or another including them being sex offenders, or that resources taken away from Scots to give them a free ride.
Years ago I'd have dismissed it as "never read the comments" but these are real people with real beliefs.
I didn't say zero but less.
Note your circular argument of Reform are racist and so anyone who votes for them are racist doesnt count.
Its not a circular argument. Faarge is a racist. No doubt at all. Reform are a racist party. No doubt at all. Far less people in Scotland will vote for either in any form therefore we have less people voting for racist parties and a reasonable corollary of that is that we have less racists. Its completely linear
How many Scottish mosques were attacked in the summer riots?
Par for the course on this forum, whatever the subject.
He gets paid for his drivel where as our drivel is given free
Are you passing comment on your own comment? I agree that one source isn't necessarily convincing, and that the source's agenda always needs to be taken into consideration, neural news reporting and analysis is the exception rather than the rule.
But there are multiple sources which suggest that like the rest of the UK Scotland has seen a significant increase in support for Reform UK since the July general election.
I provided one link making that point in the Guardian and another one in the Herald. Here's a second one from the Herald :
Farage factor could spark Unionist headache in Scotland
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24822360.farage-factor-spark-unionist-headache-scotland/
"However, in July, the party pulled in 167,979 votes in Scotland — 7% of the total.
Polls suggest that in months since their support has doubled to around 14%.
It’s a staggering turnaround for a party that, not long ago, looked destined for obscurity."
A quick google I can find none. 🙂
One stabbing of a lad of ****stani descent near a mosque
https://www.thenational.scot/news/24650911.scottish-mosque-target-online-misinformation-twitter-x/
all you get in response is scots calling out the racists
SNP councillor Finlay MacFarlane also said: “As an alternative to this racist sh*te - why not try out the Mosque Kitchen? Amazing value and increeeedible food!”
How many Scottish mosques were attacked in the summer riots?
Exactly the same amount as were attacked in London. And London has more than ten times the number of mosques that Scotland has (approximately 1,500 apparently)
And Londoners aren't shy about rioting.
all you get in response is scots calling out the racists
And the racists in England were faced down by much larger counter protests.
My own experience driving my girlfriend around the UK on holiday a few years ago in a German registered car, Scotland was the only place I heard verbal racism directed at me because I was driving a foreign registered car. When I say directed at me, I mean deliberately spoken so I would hear, but not to my face. It happened on 3 occasions and I didn't have any problems any where else in the uk.
Ernie - try the national for a non hard unionist view ( actually the herald is reasonable but still pro unionist). The guardian is resolutely unionist.
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Its still HALF the support the faragists get in England most of which have come from the tory vote
You need to run it thru 12ft. It has both polling for another westminster election and the next Holyrood election. Because holyrood is elected proportionately reform would win a few seats
In both there is a major boost for the SNP - you know the party that calls out racists
Its completely linear
Its completely bollocks. You start from an overly simplified argument and then run from there.
Luckily we can look at actual data to see if this Scottish exceptionalism is correct or not.
Lets have a look at a recent report.
So about the same and possibly higher for some groups in Scotland.
Obviously the national is resolutely pro independence but it will help you to be better informed that just getting the unionist side and view. The national is the only pro independence new source. Everything else varies from mildly unionist to resolutely hard unionist
That less folk vote for racists in Scotland?
all three are factual and well evidenced.
Read the link dissonance shared.
Large survey, 14200. I dont know enough about them or their methodology so recommend nor criticize, but I'll not dismiss it out of hand.
all three are factual and well evidenced.
Lets stick with your claim about "a reasonable corollary of that is that we have less racists". If this is true how come every survey disagrees with you?
Could it be your definition of reform == racist is overly simplistic. Maybe people are voting for other reasons?
Even if they are voting for racist reasons then we have the problem that if you are a simple minded type who wants to blame someone else for all your issues then in Scotland you can blame the English and vote SNP. In England it needs a bit more imagination.
then in Scotland you can blame the English and vote SNP.
FFS - are we back to this nonsense that the SNP are anti english racists?
You need to run it thru 12ft. It has both polling for another westminster election and the next Holyrood election. Because holyrood is elected proportionately reform would win a few seats
TJ I am sure that the National is a perfectly reliable source without an axe to grind but that article doesn't make the claim which you are making, ie, that support for Reform UK isn't growing in Scotland.
In fact it makes the complete opposite claim, ie, support for Reform UK is growing in Scotland. :
This compared to 19% for Labour, 15% for the Tories, 11% for Reform UK, 9% for the LibDems
11% for Reform UK in Scotland represents a significant increase in support. It is certainly more than they received in the general election both in Scotland and in London.
And your article quotes John Curtice as a reliable source. Do you think he is reliable?
This is more stuff that he has said recently :
John Curtice: Reform breakthrough could bring chaos to Holyrood
https://www.thenational.scot/news/24600075.john-curtice-reform-breakthrough-bring-chaos-holyrood/
that support for Reform UK isn’t growing in Scotland.
I never claimed that. I said it was significantly less than in England
TJ I am sure that the National is a perfectly reliable source without an axe to grind
I assume thats sarcastic?
FFS – are we back to this nonsense that the SNP are anti english racists?
That is not what dissonance said. This was the claim :
if you are a simple minded type who wants to blame someone else for all your issues then in Scotland you can blame the English and vote SNP.
Are you seriously suggesting that the SNP does not blame any of Scotland's problems on the English and the Westminster parliament?
So what is the argument in favour of independence based on them?
that support for Reform UK isn’t growing in Scotland.
I never claimed that. I said it was significantly less than in England
I am fairly sure you did claim that support for Reform UK wasn't increasing in Scotland.
Okay, since you accept that support for Nigel Farage is growing in Scotland what do you put that down to.... Scots becoming more racist in the last six months?
Personally I would doubt it, I strongly suspect that other factors come to play. Although you appear to believe that it is all down to racism.
Btw support for Reform UK is also significantly less in London than the rest of the UK. London doesn't have many SNP politicians.
So what is the argument in favour of independence based on them?
Self determination of a peoples and country
the English and the Westminster parliament?
the two are not synonyms
Its not a circular argument. Faarge is a racist. No doubt at all. Reform are a racist party. No doubt at all. Far less people in Scotland will vote for either in any form therefore we have less people voting for racist parties and a reasonable corollary of that is that we have less racists. Its completely linear
Maybe Scots are so racist that they cant stomach voting for an English politician or a party that supports British culture and values.
a party that supports British culture and values.
You mean Reform UK?
Massie is a columnist for the Times. Also written for the spectator. Rightwinger and hard unionist
Are you seriously suggesting that the SNP does not blame any of Scotland’s problems on the English and the Westminster parliament?
And are you seriously suggesting such a claim is on racial grounds ? Of course not, you know full and well blaming No10 for issues that cause harm to Scotland isnt anything other than their job.
Suggesting otherwise is a bit low, a cheap attempt at a counter.
So how about you stop trying to put your words in other peoples mouths.
Okay, since you accept that support for Nigel Farage is growing in Scotland what do you put that down to…. Scots becoming more racist in the last six months?
I heard a rumour that the Scottish muslamics were insisting that Irn Bru should be made using only halal sugar
Anyway, just seen that Reform PLC are holding a New Year rally in Leicester tonight, which hasn't gone down well with the locals. Frogface due to appear on stage about 8 if anyone feels the urge to throw a milkshake in his general direction
Anyway, just seen that Reform PLC are holding a New Year rally in Leicester tonight, which hasn’t gone down well with the locals. Frogface due to appear on stage about 8 if anyone feels the urge to throw a milkshake in his general direction
I'd love to see him paraded down Melton/Belgrave road having distributed copious amounts of rotten groceries amongst the residents.
And, as far as I know, tonight's venue is owned by a Sikh family.
Tangled old web, eh?
I’d love to see him paraded down Melton/Belgrave road having distributed copious amounts of rotten groceries amongst the residents.
I’m sure you would. That’s the issue with being a middle aged white man assuming others world view aligns to yours. I’ve a lot of business friends that end of town so please don’t assume on the reception.
Massie had this to say about Farage in 2015
Nigel Farage is a phoney. Scrutinise him and he’ll crumble
Instead of tearing into the preposterous Ukip leader, Britain’s famously aggressive media have made him a celebrity
Allow me to sketch you a portrait of a political leader. Even by the lax standards of the powerful, he is England’s greatest living hypocrite."
So perhaps he's not a fan.
I’m sure you would. That’s the issue with being a middle aged white man assuming others world view aligns to yours. I’ve a lot of business friends that end of town so please don’t assume on the reception.
Well my school friends from that end of town would give him a lively reception for sure.
Btw support for Reform UK is also significantly less in London than the rest of the UK. London doesn’t have many SNP politicians.
This isn't new. Voting has proven time and again that the most racist parts of the UK are the ones with the fewest 'foreigners.' London is one of if not the most multicultural areas in the UK, it shouldn't come as a shock that comparatively speaking RUK hasn't gained much of a foothold.
British culture and values.
What are they? I've always wondered.
British culture and values.
What are they? I’ve always wondered.
You are James O'Brien and I claim my £5 🙂
Yes he does always ask what they are and quite rightly as it will soon expose the bullshit once a caller tries to state what they are (which they never manage to do)
Elon's comments about Tommy Robinson are uncomfortable for our Nige.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7ve4m1q42vo
But he'll take his alleged $100 million.
Voting has proven time and again that the most racist parts of the UK are the ones with the fewest ‘foreigners.’ London is one of if not the most multicultural areas in the UK, it shouldn’t come as a shock that comparatively speaking RUK hasn’t gained much of a foothold.
With respect that isn't true. Racist candidates have always done better in areas with high levels of immigrants and ethic minorities than in areas which are predominantly white British.
Just look at where the BNP has had electoral success in the past, it wasn't the prosperous and white dominated Home Counties it was in industrial areas with high levels of poverty and ethnic minorities.
For example Nick Griffin was for many years MEP for the North West of England, not Surrey or Devon. At one point the BNP were the official opposition on Burnley council, Burnley is 20% ethnic minority.
The BNP has actually won a London Assembly seat in the past. London has some of the highest, if not the highest, social inequality in the UK, it should be very fertile ground for racist politicians to exploit. And yet despite that Reform UK does very badly in London relative to the rest of the country. In the general election in July I think Reform UK received 8.7% of the vote in London, which is not much more than the 7% (I think) they received in Scotland.
And as I have pointed out the SNP don't operate in London so I am not sure why TJ gives them so much credit for the lack of Reform support in Scotland.
British culture and values.
What are they? I’ve always wondered.
That's a difficult one but I am fairly sure that British values are not the same as the German values of the 1930s which Nigel Farage seems to be so keen on.
British culture is a little easier to define, it is now a multiculture which makes life far more interesting than the previous deary uniculture
It is one positive legacy of formerly having an Empire.
Elon’s comments about Tommy Robinson are uncomfortable for our Nige.
If ever two threads felt like crossing the streams....
With respect that isn’t true. Racist candidates have always done better in areas with high levels of immigrants and ethic minorities than in areas which are predominantly white British.
Just look at where the BNP has had electoral success in the past, it wasn’t the prosperous and white dominated Home Counties it was in industrial areas with high levels of poverty and ethnic minorities
The south east has the second highest immigrant population after London. The north west is mid table and the north east the lowest. Of course there are local pockets. I don't think it's a great measure. There's probably a closer correlation to wealth/ prosperity but still too broad a brush
He's on telly this morning with Laura Kuensberg, hope my TV doesn't melt.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigeln-farage-elon-musk-reform-b2674035.html
Well that hasn't taken long