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Not when I change the process it won't be. They need to prove why they were unable to claim and if they can't then I don't believe they tried to claim and off they go...
You've, err, changed the process to match what the rules already are.
In broad terms, asylum claims may be declared inadmissible and not substantively considered in the UK, if the claimant was previously present in or had another connection to a safe third country, where they claimed asylum, or could reasonably be expected to have done so (or, for claims made before 28 June 2022, where exceptional circumstances didn’t prevent such a claim), provided there is a reasonable prospect of removing them in a reasonable time to a safe third country.
See what happens when you come in with big opinions on a topic you know nothing about (and aren't interested to learn about)?
...I don't believe...
That doesn't sound open to abuse, at all, does it.
See how easy it is.
Have you thought that possibly it might be too easy?
Could you clarify what you mean by "so could have taken the time in ****stan or the Netherlands to get their claim submitted. "? is that a claim to the UK or???
Why would you want to claim in the UK over the Netherlands? There must be a reason 45k people make the crossing.
Why would you want to claim in the Netherlands over the UK? There must be a reason 30k people apply for asylum there.
People have reasons innit?
30k people apply for asylum there.
Less than a third of those applying to the UK and only 2/3 of the number crossing in small boats. Why is the UK so appealing? It can't be the language as the majority of Dutch speak English.
It is easier to make a living in the uk undetected.
In most european countries, there are more paper work needed. We have id cards etc...
Less than a third of those applying to the UK
We are a much, much bigger country.
Hell, if I thought it would work I'd apply for asylum there...
For what purpose? You know it wouldn’t work, because you’re not fleeing a country like Syria, are you.
NL population: 18,044,027
NL asylum applications received pa: 32,000 (2024)
NL asylum applications per million pop: 563
UK population: 69,281,437
UK asylum applications received pa: 108,138
UK asylum applications per million pop: 640
Interestingly, asylum applications in the NL have fallen by about half in the last couple of years. I have no idea why: https://www.cbs.nl/en-gb/news/2025/45/fewer-asylum-requests-in-first-three-quarters-of-2025
Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom
https://ecre.org/aida-country-report-on-the-netherlands-update-on-2024/
So pretty much the same, scaled by population.
Now do it per a square mile.
Asylum seekers per square mile is self-evidently meaningless metric. If asylum seekers were looking for territory, they'd have Russia, Algeria, Libya, Ukraine, Saudi Arabia as their end destinations. UK-based asylum seekers make their way to Rannoch Moor and would never go to London. The exact opposite is happening.
But you're free to work it out yourself if you want.
To Chris2lou's lack of ID and paperwork and thriving black economy I'll add the attraction of English, well established gheto communities of all sorts of origins. And believe it or not a lack of racism in the places they'll settle. Even in fiercely racist areas Brits are rarely overtly racist (though sadly this is changing) even if they feel and are prepared to vote that way, so the daily experience isn't oppressive. Farage was the exception in his school. When the Ugandan Asians arrived in my midlands secondary mod in the 70s they had plenty of pupils looking out for them and just a couple prepared to get racist.
Britain benefits from more pull factors than any other place I can think of. The local refugees in Pau might have nice weather to hang around the park but no-one will employ them because it's far too risky, they're isolated in their little group, women aren't interested in them and despite speaking two or three languages including English they're having to learn another one - a neighbour is one of the volunteers helping them. If I were them I'd take a chance on a boat if I could raise the cash.
See what happens when you come in with big opinions on a topic you know nothing about (and aren't interested to learn about)?
I am just going along with your example. The person went through ****stan and the Netherlands before getting to the UK but you stated they couldn't claim asylum in those countries for some reason. In your follow up you stated it was my job to get any proof/documentation etc,. on that but in my process it is their responsibility to prove that they applied for asylum in those countries and if they didn't then get lost (which as you point out I can already do) so your example is a bit shit isn't it.
And it is hardly a "big opinion" to suggest a process that can take two years at times could not be improved drastically given a remit to change whatever I like.
they're having to learn another one - a neighbour is one of the volunteers helping them
Language is a big issue. But remember, France has twice as many people seeking asylum as the UK (as you’d expect). What we need to counter is the idea that people coming to the UK to seek asylum are doing so because other countries aren’t getting, and accepting, asylum seekers. We just need to do our little (and it is little when you look at how many people are fleeing their countries in total) bit here in the UK. Forcing asylum seekers to use small boats to get here to do so is just the result of our geography and shutting down all other routes.
Yes, we need to do our little bit but we need to do it a lot faster for everyone's benefit. Pretty much everything can be done more quickly if the intent is there.
Even in fiercely racist areas Brits are rarely overtly racist
Really? That ship sailed on June 24th 2016
See what happens when you come in with big opinions on a topic you know nothing about (and aren't interested to learn about)?
I am just going along with your example. The person went through ****stan and the Netherlands before getting to the UK but you stated they couldn't claim asylum in those countries for some reason. In your follow up you stated it was my job to get any proof/documentation etc,. on that but in my process it is their responsibility to prove that they applied for asylum in those countries and if they didn't then get lost (which as you point out I can already do) so your example is a bit shit isn't it.
No, it just proves that you're inattentive. You were informed "Says he was unable to claim asylum in ****stan or the Netherlands, through which he transited en route to the UK", and that it was your job to determine the facts. Those are different things to relying on the Applicant's statement or gathering fresh facts - and these are both distinctions that are important in policy and law, and will get your determination binned if you mess it up.
Face it, you've looked at your experience of 30 years of writing process documents in engineering or whatever, decided everyone else is an idiot and only you can see clearly, waded into an area you know (and evidently care) nothing about with big opinions...and made yourself look like a bit of a numpty. The only saving grace is that is all happened online instead of you being appointed like Dom Cummings, who was similar Billy Big Bollocks energy.
Impolitecameraaction still incapable of dicussing things with people xithout insulting them I see.
Animal farm, Orwell... .
If you want to annoy him, tonight's a good night to make a donation to his least favourite 'water taxi service'
Tonight because it's the anniversary of the Solomon Browne / Penlee lifeboat tragedy. I had chance to visit the memorial garden earlier this year, I was aware of the tragedy but actually learning more about it, and listening to the BBC documentary is just - well, I defy anyone to not have a lump in their throat as the Falmouth coastguard keeps calling into the sudden radio silence (about 28 mins on this Sounds documentary)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0012plp
The Christmas lights will go out in a short while, and then as they did in 1981, will come back on again because those that live and perish on the sea know that life goes.
https://www.aspects-holidays.co.uk/webcams/mousehole
I'm not racist! some of my best friends are failed chancellors with dodgy tax affairs......
How predictable.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0lxn75gw1do
If there was a prize handed out for the prediction of "Ex-Tory most likely to defect to Reform", Zahawi has got to be on most folks top trumps surely?
“We can all see that our beautiful, ancient, kind, magical island story has reached a dark and dangerous chapter,” he said, adding: “You know in your heart of hearts that our wonderful country is sick”.
Please stop talking out your anus of anuses.
Zahawi has got to be on most folks top trumps surely?
I do wonder at which point the subset of Reform voters who talk about the Labour/tory uniparty are going to start thinking maybe reform isnt so different.
Amusingly he forgot to delete his old tweets in advance so has had to do a hasty pruning.
Obviously not taking any responsibility for a mess that is largely due to previous Tory governments, probably thinks he as more chance of getting elected with Reform so that he can carry on lining his own nest.
Zahawi really didn't seem at ease answering the questions did he?
Apparently free speech means you can change long held opinions at the flip of a coin and it makes AI kiddie porn ok too.
Who knew?
Anyway...
I think that's why Farage basically had to answer the questions for him.
Also loving how the self processed "free speech party" had to reply on Farage and Zahawi labelling questions they really didn't have any good answer for as "stupid" to allow them to duck them. 😂
I bloody guarantee that a lot of Reform voters wont like this latest Tory import either for very obvious reasons. My neighbour I got some shopping for earlier is one of them unfortunately.☹️
Zahawi should be utterly embarrassed. His family fled Iraq to seek refuge in the UK, he is now standing next to an outright racist who seeks to blame those fleeing persecution for every ill in this country. What a disgusting hypocrite.
Also loving how the self processed "free speech party" had to reply on Farage and Zahawi labelling questions they really didn't have any good answer for as "stupid" to allow them to duck them
It is normal for Farage. If you ever watch the full press questions he dodges as many questions as any other politician its just instead of waffling he just insults the questioner.
none of this will change anything
the cult of farage means that his followers will tick the Reform box no matter how corrupt, hypocritical or insane the candidate may be
Zahawi wants a comfy seat in the lords - badenoch tunred him down but apparently farage will have to appoint 500!! new ones if he wants to get any legislation through shpould he become PM!
The great thing about the Reform Party is it gives us a way of recycling all our disgraced former Tory MPs instead of sending them straight to landfill
the cult of farage means that his followers will tick the Reform box no matter how corrupt, hypocritical or insane the candidate may be
Yes and no. Whilst there are plenty who do fall into that category they couldnt get the current polling purely dependant on those. Few months back a study was published which seems to make sense.
Several of the categories would be vulnerable to switching eg the reluctant reformers in particular.
I have been wondering if the US Governments were.... behaviour as of late and Farages relationship to the American right might impact things. Probably take a closer look at that polling to see if there's anything more detailed.
I predict plenty of fake (we're not in power so we can) "standing up to the Americans" from the Conservatives to try and turn things back their way and away from Farage (and away even further away from the government).
I go on X once or twice a month, usually when the latest bit of insanity hits the news to drop a few verbal hand grenades. It's a pressure release valve that I seem to need these days.
Anyway... Was on there yesterday and went on Reform UK to see how the latest dingleberry defection was being taken. Ignoring the obvious trolling from people like me that despise Reform, interestingly, even many of the true believers aren't happy about Zahawi.
For some it's purely about his skin colour and birthplace (shocker...) but some understandably see him as being completely and utterly tarred with the big smelly Tory brush that's lead to most of the issues we have in the country.
I think it's actually a very big miscalculation from Farage, it's an own goal I'd usually expect him to be too politically savvy to make.
Long may it last.
^^ Yep, I noted he literally mentioned that fact during the conference!
It would appear that the man-frog is having some sort of reunion for Boris Johnson’s old, utterly useless cabinet
Are we betting on who’s next? It’s surely got to be Cruella?
Is there somewhere I can bet on Johnson joining Farage in the last 6 months on the run up to the general election? He's still too tainted to join them now... but by then he'll be forgiven and Covid long forgotten by a big chunk of the electorate Reform need/want. He enjoyed being at the Foreign Office. Not saying he was any good, but he enjoyed shooting off Kipling quotes in front of the scenes, and rubbing shoulders with dodgy billionaires behind the scenes. I think he'd be quite happy not being PM, but still getting lots of attention and bribes.
Is there somewhere I can bet on Johnson joining Farage in the last 6 months on the run up to the general election?
Think most bookies would do it.
Seems somewhat unlikely to me since Farage likes to be the only big fish in the pond.
To Chris2lou's lack of ID and paperwork and thriving black economy I'll add the attraction of English, well established gheto communities of all sorts of origins. And believe it or not a lack of racism in the places they'll settle. Even in fiercely racist areas Brits are rarely overtly racist (though sadly this is changing) even if they feel and are prepared to vote that way, so the daily experience isn't oppressive. Farage was the exception in his school. When the Ugandan Asians arrived in my midlands secondary mod in the 70s they had plenty of pupils looking out for them and just a couple prepared to get racist.
Britain benefits from more pull factors than any other place I can think of. The local refugees in Pau might have nice weather to hang around the park but no-one will employ them because it's far too risky, they're isolated in their little group, women aren't interested in them and despite speaking two or three languages including English they're having to learn another one - a neighbour is one of the volunteers helping them. If I were them I'd take a chance on a boat if I could raise the cash.
TBH, I did always wonder if the false claims that the far right bang on about of all the things that that an asylum seeker will get is actually turning into an advertisement for asylum seekers.
(Partially tongue in cheek but going by how Brexit returned the reverse of what was promised)