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Just seen another headline about how far ahead Reform are currently in the poles. I can't get my head around their popularity after seeing what recently happened in Kent, Pochin's comments and Farage's non response.
Also saw this recently, which I found interesting, but is it just preaching to the uncoverted?
Support for Reform among British Indians has more than trebled in the last year, assuming that concerns over immigration and a rejection of multiculturalism doesn't lie at the heart of this sudden surge of support for Reform among British Indians perhaps those who Reform have been attracting in the last year are motivated by different concerns?
Other nationalities can be rascist pricks too, who would have thunk it? 😉
Racism: it's not just for whites, anyone can be one! 🤣
Other nationalities can be rascist pricks too, who would have thunk it?
What "other nationalities" are you talking about? You have to be British to vote in UK general elections and the poll findings are with regards to the voting intentions of British Indian voters.
Do you not accept that British Indians are actually British? I think that we might have a new Reform voter in the making!
Thats not a surprise given the Hindu vs Muslim hatred
So how come support for Reform among British Indians at the last general election was only 4% and now a year later it is 13%...... the Hindu Vs Muslim hatred wasn't as great last year as it is this year?
And you wait until they find out that Nigel Farage's right-hand man, Zia Yusuf, the geezer who Farage wants to be his Elon Musk, is a practicing Muslim.
I am impressed with how some people are determined to stick to the old, simple, easy-to-understand explanations, for the sudden massive rise in support for Reform in the last year, even when reality checks suggest something a tad more complex.
I'm impressed that you are so blind, that's some serious mental gymnastics!
EDIT; in fact, being a racisct scum bag, is ironically the one thing almost all humans have in common....
Does that make you feel better?
I'm impressed that you are so blind, that's some serious mental gymnastics!
Unlike you who can see that British Indians are another nationality?
Or do you mean that the growing support for Reform among British Indians in the last year proves that they are worried about immigration and multiculturalism ?
EDIT; in fact, being a racisct scum bag, is ironically the one thing almost all humans have in common....
Well that's quite a leap...... from "all Reform voters are racist scum" to "almost all human beings are racist scum"
I get openly accused of having sex with animals any time I mention I'm Welsh.
What's your point?
Is it 'just fun' in my case, and I should just 'suck it up'?
Some kinds of racism are more important that other kinds, it seems.
If I were to knock someones teeth out, for being openly racist towards me, I would be the one who would get arrested.
And belive me, it's very tempting, sometimes.
I like to think i'm 'better than that' though so i'm just expected to deal with it.
They never got you a wage rise? It's hard to believe that they were strong enough to negotiate a closed shop but not higher wages.
Was that referring to my post above? If so, then no. I was on around £12/week and my subs were £1.50. (They weren’t interested in getting me more money, they needed someone else in the studio to balance the existing number of SLADE members, and I was the only available person to make up the three needed. It was political, nothing to do with benefiting the members.)
Not a lot, but a large percentage of sod-all. This was back in the 70’s, things did improve later, I was with the company for 18 years.
I am impressed with how some people are determined to stick to the old, simple, easy-to-understand explanations, for the sudden massive rise in support for Reform in the last year, even when reality checks suggest something a tad more complex.
I think it is pretty simple. Labour and the tories are a disaster and many people who may have voted for them now only have Reform to go for as they won't ever go for that crazy Green party will they and Lib Dems will be just the same as Labour and tories. Quite a few people will stick with Labour, tory, Lib Dem as they pretty much maintain the status quo and for the likes of me I am doing okay with any of them but many are not doing okay.
Reform is different so that must be good plus they have got caught up in the whole anti immigration BS.
On the first point I would agree with them that Labour, tories and Lib Dems are very similar with the difference being that what we think would actually improve matters
Unlike you who can see that British Indians are another nationality?
Stop the trolling.
Oh so now it's trolling to point out that British Indians are not "other nationalities" ! 🤣
Ernie - interesting point of pedantry British Indians would be Indians with British heritage and Indian Britons would be Brits with Indian heritage - no? Unless Britons refers to the Celtic peoples such as the ethnic Welsh.
But that’s all just me being silly.
More importantly, if you want to get shot of Farage, and I do, I suspect you ignore the boats / immigration and address the economy and jobs.
Don’t fight a battle on someone else’s turf that you cannot win.
Fight one you can, because if you look at any civil conflict tensions rise and fall with whether folk feel secure in having jobs, enough for them and their families etc.
To quote a decent PotUS (and as I understand it, moral vacuum at a personal level) - it’s the economy stupid.
Though he may not have actually said it.
Don’t fight a battle on someone else’s turf that you cannot win.
The difficulty is that immigration is all over the media all the time so needs to be addressed. Maybe just keep stating, every single day, that we actually need immigration, 'small boats', asylum hotels etc,. are not actually a big deal when put in perspective and so on whenever the subject is raised with them.
In the background sort out the asylum claiming process so it takes on average a matter of weeks and then come back when it is fixed. Labour have had a year to sort that out and don't seem to be doing well. They should have seen it was getting overblown and quickly stamped on it.
Ernie - interesting point of pedantry British Indians would be Indians with British heritage and Indian Britons would be Brits with Indian heritage - no? Unless Britons refers to the Celtic peoples such as the ethnic Welsh.
Dunno, I didn't choose the terminology, I'm just a simple soul with Grade 2 CSE English, according to the Guardian article "a group of Oxford academics" decided on the terminology:
"Research by the 1928 Institute, a group of Oxford academics who analyse the British Indian community, shows backing for Reform has jumped in the past year from 4% to 13%."
What I do know for sure though is that they are referring to a certain demographic of British voters who have the right to vote in UK elections, I wouldn't refer to them as "other nationalities", and not least because they are often likely to have more right to British nationality than me!
I also know that describing them as "other nationalities" is the sort of language that I would associate with Nigel Farage, the subject matter of this thread.
I am surprised that point needs to be made, I have always considered stw to be 'Woke Grand Central'. But then wokeness has always been riddled with hypocrisy so I can understand why it might somehow be acceptable to reference British Indians as other nationalities whilst castigating Nigel Farage should he dare to do so.
wokeness has always been riddled with hypocrisy
Yawn.
Ernie - as I said it was silliness on my part. I knew who you meant. Same as you probably knew that it was differing ethnicities not nationalities that were being referred to. But yes the comment was inaccurate and unhelpful - and yes if NF had done it I would have assumed racism on his part. Same as I did with his appalling defence of his racist MP the other day.
wokeness has always been riddled with hypocrisy
Seeing that posted on a thread about a populist, far right shit stirrer like Farage has to be a comedy high point. 👏
"Woke" means what exactly? Accepting of other cultures? Sexualities? Nationalities?
If Farage is anti-woke and that is something to be emulated, then I'm actually quite happy to be classed as woke tbh.
But yes the comment was inaccurate and unhelpful - and yes if NF had done it I would have assumed racism on his part.
Which was exactly my point. I haven't got much time for the middle-class self-appointed grammar police who castigate ordinary working-class punters for saying coloured people instead of people of colour, but I feel very strongly that British people from the ethnic minorities should not be referred to as being "other nationalities" when discussing UK politics.
At not least because it feeds directly into the highly dangerous and divisive narrative currently being given prominence by the likes of Stephen Lennon, Nigel Farage, and Reform.
I am surprised that my observation should be receiving any sort of pushback on a thread in which on a day-to-day basis people are denouncing Nigel Farage's/Reform's divisive rhetoric. A simple acknowledgement of the need not to echo that sort of Farage shite would probably have been more what I expected. But hey-ho 🙃
I was trying to agree with you Ernie - but feel free not to accept it. I don’t disagree with the substance of your comment.
Middle-class? Why yes I am, and I don’t feel insulted about it being pointed out.
Grammar police? Indeed, but only for whimsical facetious humour. I know not a high level of humour.
I’m not sure that I would instantly think of someone who uses language like you do to be an “ordinary” working class punter. There’s more to you than meets the eye. Meant as a compliment by the way.
For what it’s worth, you are unlikely to hear me ever say coloured people or people of colour. I dislike putting people in boxes - an artefact of a Glasgow up-bringing where labels could be a very bad thing. But I would draw no conclusions on someone using either.
Save your frustration for racists like Farage who deserve it.
I was trying to agree with you Ernie - but feel free not to accept it.
Yeah I got that. I guess you didn't see that I liked your post?
Edit : Btw I am currently listening to Zahra Sultana speaking in Croydon, she's an okay speaker. I'm impressed that she's come to Croydon, she's not even a London MP, gawd bless her
I have the feeling she won't last long given more exposure (if yourparty get any). And we know how useless Corbyn is in that area so not much hope really. I seriously down yourparty will even have a presence in 4 years time.
And we know how useless Corbyn is in that area so not much hope really.
IMO Corbyn is useless in many areas but what specific area are you talking about here?
Corbyn is, for whatever reason, currently the most popular politician among young voters. And among the wider electorate he is actually more popular than the present Labour Prime Minister - although I am willing to admit that doesn't mean much.
Time will tell if YP is still around in 4 years time but with at least tens of thousands of members, if not hundreds of thousands, I think it is probably very unlikely that they won't be around in 4 years time.
Have to say I'm a bit disappointed Ernie didn't take that photo as a selfie 😀
Who is the mystery behind the camera?
Have YP stopped messing around trying to sue Andrew Feinstein to get the funds that Corbyn said shouldn't have been collected? And I think they're back down to 0 members again now, after the "unofficial" sign up fiasco Sultana launched became a dead end. Lasting four months is optimistic, never mind four years. Anyway... The Green Party (of E&W) can breath a sigh of relief... Farage might be disappointed though.
I thought your party had collapsed already hence why Corbyn is appearing in panto this Christmas for those in north London
IMO Corbyn is useless in many areas but what specific area are you talking about here?
Useless as a leader, useless at dealing with media, useless when in the spotlight.
Makes no difference that he is good with young voters but I would imagine Polanski will become more attractive to a lot of them anyway.
Well I am not convinced that he will be leader for long after the party is properly up and running, or that he wants to be.
Makes no difference that he is good with young voters
We will have to disagree on that one. I am fairly sure that if Corbyn had not been part of the project it would have been a lot less than 800,000 that registered an interest in it.
The fact that he is apparently inspirational to young people provides YP with a lot of foot soldiers whose importance during elections should never be underestimated.
Have YP stopped messing around trying to sue Andrew Feinstein to get the funds that Corbyn said shouldn't have been collected?
Update, if you're interested (you're not)... Sultana seems to have stepped in and sorted things... Feinsten and friends are now out of the mess caused by... well, you decide who...
https://www.thecanary.co/uk/analysis/2025/10/30/mou-operations-your-party/
"Woke" means what exactly?
It means mushrooms.
Obviously might seem a bit confusing but as it is used by the right wing press (so enforced on the rest of us) it basically means "something I dont like/disagree with".
I loath mushrooms, I mean the taste/texture and that so many of them are out to kill us, so therefore they are woke.
it would have been a lot less than 800,000 that registered an interest in it.
This article suggests that not do they don't actually know who any of the 800,000 people who expressed an interest actually are, who owns the data or who has paid to either of the subscription gateways, and if the reporting is to believed, have consistently lied about it all.
These people are not serious.
a lot less than 800,000 that registered an interest in it.
I was one of those 800,000. Easy to register interest, not so easy to actually give them any money seeing that they clearly don't know what they are doing. Let's just say my interest has remained with the Green Party
Anyway, this is the wrong thread isn't it.
it basically means "something I dont like/disagree with".
The interesting thing is that the terms "woke" and "political correct" basically have very similar, if not identical, meanings even though both their origins and trajectories were very different.
"Woke" has its origin in the African American community and was originally coined to describe black Americans who were awake to the realities of life and racism of a white dominated society. In time it has evolved to be used in a negative way and now seen as intended as an insult by those who accused of being woke, see the above quote as an example.
In contrast "politically correct" which has its roots in a similar timeframe, about a hundred years ago, has its origins in satire, it was intended to mock, as in "everyone has the freedom to think correctly", and yet in more recent times it has been adopted as a badge of honour by bourgeois liberals.
My position is simple, don't be a ****, don't be a racist, don't be homophobic, don't be misogynist, don't be easily offended, and don't do go around dictating to people what they can or can't say.
I can understand the appeal of an obsession with language and grammar to bourgeois liberals though, it makes them feel in some way connected to the real struggles that some people have to face on a day-to-day basis. I mean people like the feminist professional who earns 10 times more than the average wage who insists that she is some sort of victim if she is described as the chairman of a meeting instead of the chairperson.
I know absolutely nothing Meghan Markle but I have read that apparently as a black woman life has been tough and she has faced all sorts of obstacles. Yeah right. I don't doubt that life can be difficult for a black woman in a white male dominated society but Meghan Markle is no victim. The issue is class. Our society has plenty of very wealthy and powerful black and female business and political figures, they just need to be of the correct class. Granted it isn't always easy for them to achieve the correct class status but when they have they are no longer victims. So they can focus on tedious bollocks about grammar whilst maintaining that they still are.
So...racism isnt racism if you're rich?
Hmmm.
I sort of get what you mean about semantics and the militant/unforgiving tone of debate but saying a rich black person cant be a victim of racism because they've been financially successful is bollocks. Lots of Jews were wealthy before they got rounded up and gassed.
Who said that "a rich black person cant be a victim of racism"?
I am suggesting that to claim someone like Megan Markle has had a tough life because she is a black woman in a white male dominated society is bollocks.
Sure at some point she might have experienced negativity specifically because she is apparently a black woman but she has hardly had a hard life, nor will she, the all-important issue is class and wealth.
This is why affluent middle-class liberals focus so much on grammar bollocks, especially feminists, its about the nearest many can get to moan about anything.
Anyway feel free to disagree with me, I certainly don't expect my position to chime with attitudes on stw, but I do feel that my summing up does chime the attitudes of the the majority of the population..........don't be a ****, don't be a racist, don't be homophobic, don't be misogynist, don't be easily offended, and don't go around dictating to people what they can or can't say.
How the **** have we dragged Meghan Markle into the Nigel Farage thread?
Excuse me ignorance, but how black is megan markle? She dont look black to me.What percentage is the cutoff line twixt black n white,? does it matter if yer a bit brown n yellow too?
Are her/his kids all going to be black now?
mushrooms-is that the essence of woke?-maybe out to kill, damage your bits,open your mind, but when theres no meat to eat, sugar, chocolate, beer or anything else to eat, will you know which ones to pick, and how to cook them?
How the **** have we dragged Meghan Markle into the Nigel Farage thread?
Read the thread slowly? 💡
Edit : Try this..... Nigel Farage ➡️ bigotry ➡️ anti-woke voter backlash ➡️ highly privileged individuals who enjoy a quality of life most people can only dream of moaning about how tough life is for them.
Then you might start to understand what arseholes like Nigel Farage feed off and what is behind their growing political success.
Nope, still not seeing why Meghan Markle is a comparison to the frog faced grifter
Comparison?