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Yes, the likes of us can sit back and talk about least worst options and so on but that is not something a lot of people have the time for.
So they're going to choose the people who gave them the shit advice in the first place?
Deserve all they get - just like when they voted for Johnson in 2019 - voted to be made poorer and boy did it work.
They're doubling down again, putting everything on 'Black'.
No wonder the gambling companies specifically aim at this cohort, they always think there's a win just around the corner, if they just 'believe' one more time...
So they're going to choose the people who gave them the shit advice in the first place?
That was almost 10 years ago, so yes they are.
If you have a leak in the roof of your house, you don't burn it to the ground and then wonder whay you have no house left, you look at the best way of fixing the roof.
It also doesn't help when Starmer builders Ltd, come and take your roof off, then leave you without a roof because rich people now need something and are more important so we might get round to you in 10 years or so, so stop whining and suck it up.
Then when dodgy Farage comes round with some vague promises you take the risk, because winters coming and no one else is offering **** all.
It also doesn't help when Starmer builders Ltd, come and take your roof off, then leave you without a roof because rich people now need something and are more important so we might get round to you in 10 years or so, so stop whining and suck it up.
What exactly are you talking about - what are they giving to "rich people"?
We are not in a financial crisis, we are in a financial equality crisis, the UK has the wealth and resources to make life much much better, it is a failure of political will to make the necessary changes. That failure is because our leaders serve the oligarchy ahead of the nation.
Farage and Boris will always be able to sell lies, if labour fail to address the real issues.
Fun to see Reform councillors in Cornwall not understanding how democracy works - even more fun in the comments on the local FB groups - https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/reforms-first-cornwall-council-meeting-10199349
It is amazing that Farage isn't being held to account more by the media. This week saw the biggest Brexit related policy change since Brexit itself, and now that he is finally a sitting MP it was Farage's big moment to use his voice in Parliament, his chance to challenge the government, to stand-up for the downtrodden, to sell the Reform narrative, his Churchillian moment! But where was he? On holiday - in France. Couldn't possibly jump on Eurostar back to London.
Apparently 17 weeks of recess isn't enough time to go away, he also needs to go on holiday during term time.
Rather than posting up yet more stories how about just answer my question?
Listening to the Rest is Politics pod earlier and Alastair Campbell had a good observation about media attitude to Farage. He said their failing is that they treat him like a commentator rather than an elected politician. It explains a lot about how he gets away with so much incompetence, lack of actual policy and disproportionately high air time.
Listening to the Rest is Politics pod earlier and Alastair Campbell had a good observation about media attitude to Farage. He said their failing is that they treat him like a commentator rather than an elected politician. It explains a lot about how he gets away with so much incompetence, lack of actual policy and disproportionately high air time.
That's a very good point.
Maybe there would be a bit more balance in the media if Campbell and Blair hadn't been so eager to cut the BBC's balls off after the sexed up dossier and the death of Dr Kelly.
MSP still posting I see, yet not prepared to respond to questions...
I answered your question already, its not my fault your too dim to grasp the answer.
Maybe there would be a bit more balance in the media if Campbell and Blair hadn't been so eager to cut the BBC's balls off after the sexed up dossier and the death of Dr Kelly.
Yes, I think Campbell talks a lot of sense nowadays but there's always that nagging feeling that he is responsible for many of the media related ills that plague us today.
MSP still posting I see, yet not prepared to respond to questions...
To be fair MSP even posted a link to a Guardian article which answers your question in some detail. Did you read it?
I answered your question already, its not my fault your too dim to grasp the answer.
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To be fair MSP even posted a link to a Guardian article which answers your question in some detail. Did you read it?
Ok Ernie, care to highlight where in the article it details what Labour is actually GIVING to these "rich people"?
Ok Ernie, care to highlight where in the article it details what Labour is actually GIVING to these "rich people"?
It doesn't state it explicity, but by doing nothing Labour are actively encouraging the status quo & there fore not stopping the money funneling up.
It doesn't state it explicity, but by doing nothing Labour are actively encouraging the status quo & there fore not stopping the money funneling up.
Agree, it doesn't answer the question at all.
So Labour inherited the highest tax burden since the war, what taxes do YOU want raising?
Ok Ernie, care to highlight where in the article it details what Labour is actually GIVING to these "rich people"?
The analogy was that Starmer isn't helping the poor because he is to busy protecting the wealthy, "giving to the rich" is your own words not mine, the article quite plainly and obviously supports up the analogy. More so than the "burning down the house" analogy, unless you think the UK no longer exists after the brexit vote?
Agree, it doesn't answer the question at all.
He didn't state that it doesn't answer the question at all, so why lie that you are in agreement?
He stated that
but by doing nothing Labour are actively encouraging the status quo & there fore not stopping the money funneling up
Is that the part you agree with? That labour are serving the wealthiest in society by inaction? Or more likely that you are trying to divert attention from continued right wing failure.
So Labour inherited the highest tax burden since the war, what taxes do YOU want raising?
The highest tax burden on the majority, if you had read the article (if you can read) then you might understand that taxation is not a burden felt heavily by the money horders at the top of the pile. 50 families having the wealth (wealth that is barely taxed and frequently hidden even to avoid that meagre tax burden) of 50% of the population is an astonishingly poor indictment of your right wing economic dogma.
But as you ask what tax I would raise, for a start.
- capital gains tax to be the same level as income tax.
- NI to be paid at the same levels for all income
And also tax havens to be cut adrift from the UK.
That would at least make a decent start, but I am sure you will keep pretending that Farage is the problem rather than Starmers new labour adaption of Tory failed economic policy.
So Labour inherited the highest tax burden since the war, what taxes do YOU want raising?
All the stuff that is not taxed at the same level as PAYE would be a good start, the wealthiest tend to pay the least %.
Combined with other asset based taxes, closing down off loopholes, companies that exist to help wealthily dodge stuff etc,.
The fact that Labour are not really bothering much with it and looking elsewhere (i.e. disabled) if the point being made I think.
So Labour inherited the highest tax burden since the war, what taxes do YOU want raising?
All the stuff that is not taxed at the same level as PAYE would be a good start, the wealthiest tend to pay the least %.
Combined with other asset based taxes, closing down of loopholes, shutting down companies that exist to help the wealthy dodge stuff etc,.
The fact that Labour are not really bothering much with it and looking elsewhere (i.e. disabled) if the point being made I think.
Zia Usuf resigned as party chair...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq54p9epdg6o
Seems Reform MPs are not all on the same wavelength....
Will be interesting to know what's really going on here. Grifters realising it's not as easy as they thought? Party infighting? Cult of Farage bring exposed for what it is?
Farage will be off shortly to set up a new grift.
Well, fancy that. Turns out the new Reform MP is an islamophobe.
It didn't come as much of a surprise, to be honest, but it seems to have done for Mr Yusuf. He's probably got a nice little nest egg for his period as window dressing for the racists, though, so sympathy is in short supply.
Considering how few MPs they have/had, their appetite for infighting makes the Conservatives look…. erm…. conservative.
Any party that Farage either starts or inhabits just ends up as a cult of him and everyone else is just expandable fodder
Will be interesting to know what's really going on here. Grifters realising it's not as easy as they thought?
Their DOGE nonsense will go nowhere as the supposed spend by councils on net zero and diversity is a total fantasy, dreamt up by the right wing press.
It’ll cost them more to have their silly little investigations than they’re ever going to save through whatever minuscule spending they find.
Good luck on delivering the moon on a stick they’ve promised to the idiots who voted for them. No wonder they’re bailing out already
Think it's fair to say Reform put a line in the sand with the MPs comments and the Chairman's departure. Its gone down well with the faithful to say the least.
personality cults dont have room for anyone else at the top, Ysuuf has been credited with overseeing reforms expansion, and his professionalism has put them in a much better place than ukip ever managed. so it some ways Farage can discard him happily as that job is now done.
the ban the burqua comments were very popular with many of reforms core supporters.
im not sure ysufs exit will slow their momentum much, but Farage cant keep losing people who are halfway competent without some effect.
It didn't come as much of a surprise, to be honest, but it seems to have done for Mr Yusuf. He's probably got a nice little nest egg for his period as window dressing for the racists, though, so sympathy is in short supply.
🤔 Yusuf is Reform's largest donor, he hasn't made any money out of being their chairman. He's given them at least £200k
Meanwhile, the plot thickens over at Reform...
BBC News - Zia Yusuf returning to Reform UK two days after quitting
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyv040rnqzo
He's coming back to me the public face of and head of DOGE ... Which seems to be a bit of a poisoned chalice!
I did find it ironic that he'd been the victim of racial abuse.
Who'd have thought it . . .
I'm so confused I thought Zia was back - but now Dr David Bull ex presenter or Newsround is the chairman?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3v54d60y6vo
Zia is back but not as chairman. He is going to be heading Reform's "DOGE team".
Kent's new Reform led county council is in a bit of an ongoing mess.
The latest revelation to hit the news today, a Reform councillor has been suspended due to an ongoing police investigation.
Can you imagine this lot if they ever do form a government? It'll be a bloody cluster fudge.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0eq3dxe28go
I’m absolutely certain that Reform creating a department called DOGE is going to inspire millions up and down the country to throw aside their current political allegiances and vote for them. 🫢😏
I’m absolutely certain that Reform creating a department called DOGE is going to inspire millions up and down the country to throw aside their current political allegiances and vote for them. 🫢😏
Yeah, despite the Tories and the LibDems successfully selling austerity to the British electorate in 2010 austerity has now become a dirty word in UK politics.
Reform publicising the fact that they are going to create a whole department commited to austerity makes no sense, especially at a time when they are riding high in the opinion polls.
I don't think that most of the public see the connection between austerity and cost cutting imaginary government waste, the centrists certainly don't, it has been their main argument in supporting the Starmer Government that apparently the government is still hugely wasteful despite 15 years of tory austerity and in continuing announcing cost cutting while working out how afterwards.
The whole narrative is that government is "inherently wasteful" and cuts are needed no matter what. We need leaders to start challenging that narrative, reforms DOGE is just a couple of percent more than Starmers policies, they are really not at all different to any large degree.
Just though I would post this to show how effecient or not they are at Kent CC.
Have canceled a lot of important meetings so very little can be done at the moment.
https://democracy.kent.gov.uk/mgCalendarMonthView.aspx?GL=1&bcr=1
The whole narrative is that government is "inherently wasteful" and cuts are needed no matter what.
I would imagine it is. I think all large corporations / organisations are wasteful due to their size and not really knowing exactly what people are doing all day long (how many people posting on this forum in the day time are 'working'?
I would however just accept that is how people work and given the chance to do less for same money they will.
Just though I would post this to show how effecient or not they are at Kent CC.
Have canceled a lot of important meetings so very little can be done at the moment.
https://democracy.kent.gov.uk/mgCalendarMonthView.aspx?GL=1&bcr=1
Similar here in Derbyshire
I would however just accept that is how people work and given the chance to do less for same money they will.
I think in the case of large organisations it's largely a response to all the banal drivel tacked onto the "actual" work that pisses people off and makes them less productive.