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The trend. Reform splitting the rightwing vote. Labour losing votes to lib dems, national parties and greens
I see a dozen of the new reform councillors are currently under investigation for sharing tweets(etc) on Islamophobia and far right material from the far right group 'Britain First'
I see a dozen of the new reform councillors are currently under investigation for sharing tweets(etc) on Islamophobia and far right material from the far right group 'Britain First'
No one saw that coming.
Farage is on his third political party. How long is it before Reform collapses, like the other two?
(Richard Murphy)
It's a rare day in British politics when the voice of reason is Simon Jenkins
Indeed. I hardly ever agree with him
Labour losing votes to lib dems, national parties and greens
You're really not paying attention are you ?!?
Firstly support for the LibDems has barely changed since last year's general election, have a look at the graph below in the latest opinion poll which gives Reform a 10% lead, you will see that LibDem support is at 13% and quite stable, the LibDems got 12% at the last general election.
Secondly you will see that despite a 5% drop in support for the Tories since the general election the drop in support of Labour is far greater, 13%
The reason for this is that despite Reform taking a lot of support from the Tories the Tories are making up for a lot of their losses by taking support from Labour.
Granted the Greens have more than doubled their support since the general election which is undoubtedly at Labour's expense but their 5% increase isn't explained by Labour's 13% loss.
Labour are losing support to everyone but probably most of all to the Tories. Your claim should be that Labour are losing votes to the Tories, the Greens, Reform, the LibDems, and national parties, that would be more accurate 💡
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/reform-record-10-point-lead-over-labour-farage-3685725
Labour are losing support to everyone but probably most of all to the Tories.
Nope. Mostly to the LibDems.
Nope. Mostly to the LibDems.
Condescending or otherwise, you could at least show your working 🙂
Ernie shows a chart and gives a detailed explanation, a response of "nope" isn't really all that convincing tbh.
Read the polling data.
eg.
I’ve been watching the polling data. Labour have been losing people who voted for them in 2024 to, in order of scale of shift… LibDem, Green, Reform, Tory. It’s narrowed between the four this month, was much more predominately LibDem before the last few published polls.
LibDems have been losing more support to Reform than they’ve been gaining from Labour hence their polling staying flat.
Tories losing to Reform in a big way.
a detailed explanation
Lot of words. Just an opinion stated.
It seems avoiding doing your job is a requirement for representing Reform
BBC News - New councillor Andrew Hamilton-Gray revealed as sacked policeman - BBC News
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cre9z20x0r3o
You're really not paying attention are you ?!?
Hey, I've got an idea! Why don't you try not being a condescending knob occasionally?
Because I'm talking to TJ and that's how I talk to him.
TJ is perfectly capable of speaking for himself, I think it is rather condescending if you feel that you have to speak on his behalf, ironically.
And yes, I don't think TJ pays sufficient attention as he is clearly obsessed with Scottish politics at the expense of wider UK politics.
Rupert Lowe although a hateful human has realised how bad Farage is - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnv138z2gl9o
hateful human
Hateful human is sugar coating it.
An expensive listen - If you are inclined to throwing things at your speakers. We live amongst people who'll listen to that and think he's a bit of alright.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/6RuAxqw23vB84ahT6yoTum?si=Ch6VFyGWQvCSeeD75XM71w
30 seconds in a lift... I don't think he'd be doing quite so much talking.
hateful human
Hateful human is sugar coating it.
An expensive listen - If you are inclined to throwing things at your speakers. We live amongst people who'll listen to that and think he's a bit of alright.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/6RuAxqw23vB84ahT6yoTum?si=Ch6VFyGWQvCSeeD75XM71w
30 seconds in a lift... I don't think he'd be doing quite so much talking.
I envision a “Ryan Gosling - Drive : Elevator Scene” would be the solution
Did anyone see Mr Oakshott, Dickie Tyce on Peston the other night?
It was a quite eye-opening performance, mainly featuring his full-throated defence of Israel’s actions in Gaza and the West Bank, parroting exactly the Netanyahu lines.
With even Trump appearing to get a bit squeamish about it, it’s a subject Farage seems to side-step but his Reform colleagues aren’t so reticent. They’re clearly very relaxed about the present genocide in the same way as Mr Yaxley-Lennon and his supporters seem to have adopted the Israeli flag over recent years
An issue seems to be whenever they appear on such shows people like you see them & go (quite rightly) how useless they would be in power.
What the main parties need to do is start cutting these clips together & sharing them on social media so the people who see Reform's videos of the main parties 'being dumb/wrong' start to see the truth of the grifter.
Tice was apparently supposed to be at Glasto this year debating one of the candidates for the Green Party leadership. Strangley enough he has pulled out (shame Tice's parents didn't... love a cheap shot, that's what his mum said, etc..)
Side note regarding Reform. They are all about democracy, ask them when the next Reform leadership election will be hold, or how Farage came to power & see if any pennies drop.
Lets hope Starmer solves the immigration problem, because it is all reform has
They're coming up to Scotland June i think. Hope it's Glasgow so I can go and heckle them, but it will be wall to wall Rangers supporters, and they'll probably act like reform blackshirts(or should that be 'blueshirts')
Lets hope Starmer solves the immigration problem, because it is all reform has
From the other thread :
the government positioning itself as ‘tough’ on immigration and asylum will not have the intended effect of sidelining the far-right. We believe that accepting their core premise – the main problem facing the country is immigrants – only validates them. Attempting to outbid them with deportations and visa denials will always fall short. They will not be satisfied with falling net migration numbers. They will never be satisfied
And it isn't all that Reform has. Reform's trump card is that they are untested and not discredited by having been in government, unlike the Tories, Labour,. and the LibDems. For many voters that is sufficient reason to give them a punt.
Attempting to outbid them with deportations and visa denials will always fall short.
Good. I dont want people to be deported, unless they fail the process. I just don't want people drown while trying to make the perilous journey across the channel
I did notice in the Torygraph, that a conservative think tank now believes people should be able to register their case in France.
D'oh, ya think 🙄
In truth, the powers that be realize the importance of immigration, so will probably act to 'stop the boats' and thus placate the hard of thinking
In truth, the powers that be realize the importance of immigration
There is no indication that Starmer realises the importance of immigration, other than just like many of his predecessors as a convenient excuse for his own failure, and it is wishful thinking to believe that he does. It's just the same as the maga crowd believing Trump is playing 4d chess, sometimes we just have to accept the evidence we see with our own eyes, rather than continuing to believe in what we hope to see.
And it isn't all that Reform has. Reform's trump card is that they are untested and not discredited by having been in government, unlike the Tories, Labour,. and the LibDems. For many voters that is sufficient reason to give them a punt.
Despite the fact that the spending promises they’ve made already have been costed at £200 billion a year+. And they say they’re going to do that while also cutting everyone’s tax so you won’t pay anything on the first 20,000 of earnings.
It’s Brexit all over again. Promise everyone the moon on a stick, which you know full well is completely impossible to deliver, but will deliver you your own personal agenda
Lets hope Starmer solves the immigration problem, because it is all reform has
Aside from he cant and it isnt.
It is what they are blaming all the failings built up over the years on but its not the problem. As such he will never be able to "solve" it since the underlying problems will still exist and they could just claim he is fudging the numbers and so forth.
Despite the fact that the spending promises they’ve made already have been costed at £200 billion a year+. And they say they’re going to do that while also cutting everyone’s tax so you won’t pay anything on the first 20,000 of earnings.
It’s Brexit all over again. Promise everyone the moon on a stick, which you know full well is completely impossible to deliver, but will deliver you your own personal agenda
You can't blame people for chancing a Reform vote though can you as Starmer has just given it to them. Do you still see him as the sensible grown up or have you now realised you got him wrong?
You can't blame people for chancing a Reform vote though can you...
I think you can now TBH, as noted above never having held political office means the Kippers have never been in a position to "fail" so are insulated from one flavour of criticism, but that isn't actually evidence of competence. An election win would be an utter curse for Nigel, and he knows it.
It's arguably that Johnson's government was a "try something different" move from the electorate, and that didn't really play out in their favour did it? Elect a clown on a single issue and you end up living in a circus.
Farrage's real power is influence over the current discourse, despite leading a tiny "party" and almost exclusively representing the interests of big-money bigots, he keeps managing to drag mainstream political discussion and seemingly the sitting government onto his own grubby, racist little patch, knowing his core is small, but won't be baited by Labour the Tories or anyone else now... All it does is alienate normal people...
SKS should just stop trying to play that dog whistle, everyone else has tried since Bojo and the lesson seems to be you'll never out Farrage, Farrage and it's not really worth the effort.
It's arguably that Johnson's government was a "try something different" move from the electorate, and that didn't really play out in their favour did it?
So they will try someone else.
"You have to go back to 2015 for the last time the British electorate rewarded the status quo. Since then they have voted for Brexit and Boris Johnson, and come close to backing Jeremy Corbyn in 2017. At the last election it was enough for Sir Keir Starmer simply to put the word “change” on the front of his manifesto and leave the details to voters’ imagination. For a decade, the country has been consistent that things cannot go on as they are"
https://archive.is/2025.05.02-093348/https://www.ft.com/content/b8efadcb-c744-4fec-ae53-74b807147dcc
You can't blame people for chancing a Reform vote though can you...
You can when the maths doesn't add up. In fact, when its pure fantasy. If you're buying into someone promising massive tax cuts, while also spending an additional 200 billion more a year on public services, then you probably shouldn't be allowed out unacompanied and you certainly shouldn't be voting.
But we are where we are, where the same chunk (52%?) of the electorate are so lacking in critical thinking that they bought this load of old bollocks from the same bloke, which he conveniently never, ever mentions any more...
TBH that was Boris, and Nige did distance himself the day after that on Telly,which was a good start to Brexit :-).
I’m pretty sure that this morning we’ll be hearing from Nige about his sudden concern for the fishermen he hasn’t given a second thought to for years, to accompany the steelworkers he was apparently so bothered about a few weeks ago who he’s also instantly forgotten about
I’m pretty sure that this morning we’ll be hearing from Nige about his sudden concern for the fishermen he hasn’t given a second thought to for years, to accompany the steelworkers he was apparently so bothered about a few weeks ago who he’s also instantly forgotten about
Are those the same fishermen that he ignored for all those years by not turning up to represent them when he sat on the EU Fisheries Committee?
That would give any sensible reporter/commentator an enormous stick to beat him with. And I'd pay good money to watch.
Unsurprisingly you called it right, the frog faced c### has called it a disaster for the uk fishing industry. Shame you did f### all about it when you actually should have been there
You can't blame people for chancing a Reform vote though can you as Starmer has just given it to them. Do you still see him as the sensible grown up or have you now realised you got him wrong?
So you still think you're right...
Did you call into James O'Brien this morning, as "Richard"?
Brexiteer calls James O’Brien ‘to see how many times he’d be interrupted’ | LBC
Yep, I am still right. People will vote Reform because nothing will have changed for them after 5 years of a Starmer government.
Did you call into James O'Brien this morning
As fun as it is listening to O'Brien being his normal unpleasant self, personally I would be congratulating someone for admitting they are capable of knowing the answer themselves and trying to persuade them why brexit is bad but nevermind.
This article from the guardian is far more insightful. Note how since Starmer and co refuse to address the lies about brexit there is no counternarrative to the claims of betrayal which lines things up nicely for Farage to pretend he didnt screw people over.
Listening to an apoplectic, ranting Dickie Tyce talking utter nonsense about 'surrender on steroids' on Five Live is hilrious. He sounds absolutely unhinged! But then most gammons do. I'm sure that the usual angry, red-faced men will be believing every word of it and be equally as combustable
Yep, I am still right. People will vote Reform because nothing will have changed for them after 5 years of a Starmer government.
If you have a leak in the roof of your house, you don't burn it to the ground and then wonder whay you have no house left, you look at the best way of fixing the roof.
Hopefully. lol
If you have a leak in the roof of your house, you don't burn it to the ground and then wonder whay you have no house left, you look at the best way of fixing the roof.
If you can't find a good reliable roofer, or they've absolutly ballsed it up previously, you might think '**** it' and give one of those 'jack of all trades, master of none' handymen a go.
And that is an absolute lottery in terms of a positive outcome, likely not good and your roof caves in. Sometimes lessons have to be learnt the hard way.
you might think '**** it' and give one of those 'jack of all trades, master of none' handymen a go.
Especially if you can see lots and lots of positive press about that handyman.
After all it isnt their fault that leak happened in the first place. Ok they recommended you fix that slightly shonky tile by using a trebuchet to launch concrete at it but it wasnt them who actually used the trebuchet. That was the other bunch using a ballista so clearly it was a dodgy implementation vs crap general idea.
TBH isn’t it more akin to putting the arsonists in charge of rebuilding your house that they already burnt down.
If you have a leak in the roof of your house, you don't burn it to the ground and then wonder whay you have no house left, you look at the best way of fixing the roof.
Yep and they don't see Starmer's Labour government as the best way to fix it and I would agree with them based on the fact they are not really trying to. A vote for Farage is another 'what have I got to lose' vote with a bit of anti immigration/racism thrown in.
Yes, the likes of us can sit back and talk about least worst options and so on but that is not something a lot of people have the time for.