[Closed] New to Vinyl - Any tips?

Walk carefully if you have any springy floorboards.

😆 Good advice

You'll probably need a pre-amp.

They're bringing out (might be out) a new Technics SL-1200 update....

don't bother - get a better cd player or DAC...

Or rip your music to your computer and find a filter that adds noise, crosstalk and distortion to the files so they sound as bad as a record.

[i]don't bother - get a better cd player or DAC.[/i]

Minidisc is where its at

You'll probably need a pre-amp.

Some turntables have this built in, right? Line/Phono switch?

Do I only need a ground cable when using phono (not line, which uses the turntables built in pre-amp)?

don't bother - get a better cd player or DAC...

Or rip your music to your computer and find a filter that adds noise, crosstalk and distortion to the files so they sound as bad as a record.

😀 Pretty happy with my existing system. Good CD player, and everything is ripped to laptop, and I purchase high res album downloads when they are available. I'm expecting the vinyl experience to be 'different, not better'.

Oh and you'll need one of these... "modest cost" they say 😆

http://www.audiot.co.uk/products/project-vc-s-vinyl-record-cleaner-9740.aspx

Have a look at audioteknica. In your price range with USB, phono stage and easy to use. Upgrade the stock cartridge. Prefer using mine to my old rega

don't bother - get a better cd player or DAC.

Minidisc is where its at

Have a couple of Minidisc players already. Both in loft. For a very brief period in the mid 1990's they were actually pretty cool :-). I had a built in one in my car at one point.

For this reason, a turntable with USB out is [s]desirable[/s] unlikely at the price.

I'm expecting the vinyl experience to be 'different, not better'.

Minidisc is where its at

[i] For a very brief period in the mid 1990's they were actually pretty cool :-)[/i]

A lot easier to record vinyl, that's for sure. Still use mine.

[i]For this reason, a turntable with USB out is unlikely at the price.[/i]

Rubbish, there are loads.
eg. https://www.juno.co.uk/products/audio-technica-lp1240-usb-professional-dj-turntable/454728-01/

Obviously there won't be anything suitable for those who can tell the difference between a 320K Mp3 and a Wav file.. lolz

Audio Techinca AT-LP5 is well within budget, great reviews and has built in pre-amp and USB...

https://www.whathifi.com/audio-technica/lp5/review

For this reason, a turntable with USB out is [s]desirable [/s]unlikely at the price.

That doesn't appear to be the case. Discounting really cheap items <£100, there seems to be a number out there before you get near my budget:

Sony PS-XH500 £275
Project Elemental USB £200
TEAC TN300 £250
Audio Technica AT-LP5 £300

Looking for first hand experience of these or slightly more expensive options.

Rubbish, there are loads.

are there loads of a quality that will rival his CD player ?

You will also need an expensive cartridge which will need retipping at intervals.

If you apply talc to the inside of your vinyl garments they will slip on more easily.

If you apply talc to the inside of your vinyl garments they will slip on more easily.

I'm guessing the talc also helps with the associated perspiration?

I really dont get the whole vinyl resurgence.
I had vinyl back in the 90s because I didnt have a CD player.
Once I got a CD player I don't think I bought any vinyl after that.
Its a PITA, flipping sides, handling carefully, etc etc. They only good thing about it was the decent sized sleeves.
Music is for listening to, not humblebragging about IMO.

strong foundations and support, 12k records at my mums weigh a tonne

[i]I really dont get the whole vinyl resurgence.[/i]

Neither do I. I've always had vinyl 🙂

[i]are there loads of a quality that will rival his CD player ?[/i]
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[i]I'm expecting the vinyl experience to be 'different, not better'.[/i]

I'm buying a Falcon mountain bike from Argos this weekend.

I'm expecting the experience to be different to my Turner, not better...

Oh and you'll need one of these... "modest cost" they say

You'll need something to stop the record flying off as soon as you turn it on.
[url= http://www.analogueseduction.net/record-clamps/acoustical-systems-helox-reflex-record-clamp.html ]http://www.analogueseduction.net/record-clamps/acoustical-systems-helox-reflex-record-clamp.html[/url]

And isolate all vibrations otherwise it'll just be nowt but feedback
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😉

I'm expecting the experience to be different to my Turner, not better...

For some people the act of riding is more important than the kit they ride! 😛

I gave up vinyl around 1982 in favour of CD because of the truly abysmal quality of the vinyl; thin, flexible, bits of paper from the labels of ground-up recycled discs embedded in the grooves, enormous amounts of obtrusive surface noise...
Buggered if I’m paying £20-25 for a vinyl copy of what might cost me £9.99 on CD.

I'm buying a Falcon mountain bike from Argos this weekend.

I'm expecting the experience to be different to my Turner, not better...

I see what you are getting at, but lots of people (including Hi-Fi 'enthusiasts') love vinyl. You can't really say the same about Falcon mountain bikes, can you? Vinyl must have some benefits/charms? I plan to investigate and make my own mind up. I'll report back in a few months if I remember.

A better analogy might be a rigid singlespeed mtb. For most types of mountain biking they are clearly technically inferior to a modern geared FS bike. Yet, people still enjoy riding them for some reason? As long as the individual enjoys it, what else matters?

[i]A better anal[/i]..

you can stop there 😉

I gave up vinyl around 1982 in favour of CD because of the truly abysmal quality of the vinyl; thin, flexible, bits of paper from the labels of ground-up recycled discs embedded in the grooves, enormous amounts of obtrusive surface noise...
Buggered if I’m paying £20-25 for a vinyl copy of what might cost me £9.99 on CD.

I'm too young to have experienced vinyl before it was slowly phased out. Perhaps I just need to try it to get it out of my system.

Buggered if I’m paying £20-25 for a vinyl copy of what might cost me £9.99 on CD.

Why pay for a CD when you can listen to spotify?

I'm too young to have experienced vinyl before it was slowly phased out. Perhaps I just need to try it to get it out of my system.

Vinyl must have some benefits/charms?

it has increased crosstalk so appears to have a better image if your system is a bit deficient in this respect.

it adds compression, which is also beneficial in some systems - a bit like how radio stations makes their broadcasts sound 'louder' than others and compensate for iffy car stereos.

but a normal pivoted arm is only actually square to the grooves for a small fraction of its track across the record, and requires careful setup to acheive this. This means it is distorting for a lot of the record.

Then there is the quality of the vinyl, dirt in the grooves, the continual distortion of a record as your play it, etc.

buy a broadcast quality compressor and runs your CD through it, you will probably get similar results, maybe better.

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I do think it gets you more involved with the music. You can't just flick tracks so you listen to an album properly, and it's nice to have a product with the artwork etc. it does also sound different to CD or download. Only you can decide if the differences are something you like.

Exactly what I have heard others say. I'll be trying it out for myself. It's not like I can't go back to CD's/downloads if I don't like it.

I do think it gets you more involved with the music. You can't just flick tracks so you listen to an album properly, and it's nice to have a product with the artwork etc

This for me. And it also means I get to rummage through the thousands of records in the excellent Drumbeat Records in Chorley 🙂

Can't help with the OP's requirements for a turntable - have no experience of ones with built in pre-amps or USB. My amp has a nice phono stage so I just plug straight into that. Am using a Project Essential 2 - nowt flash but works well and sounds good.

One of the writers for HiFi World produced a box to go on the output of your CD player and increase the crosstalk, to make it sound more like a record player. Can't find it now though.

Sometimes, being weird, I listen to records for the music that's on them.

For me listening to vinyl was an event, not just background noise. I remember fondly ordering the latest release from my favourite artist then going home to listen to it whilst laying back on my bed and dissecting the sleeve, inner sleeve, poster and whatever else was bundled with it, then reading along with the lyrics as I got to know the record. It kinda disappeared with CDs and has now completely vanished. I am relieved I didn't bin my 300+ collection as one day I will get it all back out again. And just last weekend I was sorting the garage and checked out a few of the quite collectable albums I have such as the original cover artwork GnR Appetite for Destruction, YesSongs, early Genesis, pre-release Barclay James Harvest + a pretty big collection of mainly Iron Maiden picture disks and I reckon I have a nice little lump sum of value there (not that I'll be selling it).

Any tips?
Don’t ask on STW or you’ll have the same voices telling you you’re doing it wrong/wasting your time. Blah blah

Wise words, zbonty

Any tips?
Don’t ask on STW or you’ll have the same voices telling you you’re doing it wrong/wasting your time. Blah blah

Yep, clearly correct! I'm happy to hear the range of perspectives though, and I can filter through the few bits of wisdom that have been offered.

OP you sound far too balanced to be hanging round here!
I’m no gear freak TT wise (I spend more time looking for cool records) but the Regas always get notable mentions.
Is there an output from your amp you can use if you need to record stuff? Tbh many people think they’ll ‘rip’ there vinyl but rarely bother

Get a £6 felt brush, a bottle of isopropyl cleaner and find a decent 2nd hand shop (this can be tricky).

Re. the "different not better" thing, I'm hesitant to broach the subject 'cos I got shot down last time, but the fact that if it's music that's not been digitally recorded or mastered, you have an actual analogue of the original music rather than a digitised representation I think counts for a lot.

Unless you then use the USB interface, or course..

Re. the "different not better" thing, I'm hesitant to broach the subject 'cos I got shot down last time, but the fact that if it's music that's not been digitally recorded or mastered, you have an actual analogue of the original music rather than a digitised representation I think counts for a lot.

Unless you then use the USB interface, or course..

The USB out will be used to record the vinyl digitally, to then be listened to on different players (usually portable) when I don't have access to the turntable. For example, if I wanted to listen in the car, or on the bike, to something I only had on vinyl.