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I have significant concerns about Starmer’s ability to reach beyond his natural constituency
It will be very interesting to see how Bernie Sanders pans out.
I like Sanders but suspect they'll be an RIP thread for him before he makes it to president. He'll be 80 which is simply too old.
but let’s at least hear what he (Starmer) has to say…
That's my problem with Starmer, I have been listening to what he has to say, it's like reading Dazh posts.
Yet years ago he was warning of the dangers of leaving the EU and campaigned against Brexit. No conviction, a sell out that isn't even popular among the majority of Labour voters: they're the people he should be representing, not the result of a manipulated referendum.
It will be very interesting to see how Bernie Sanders pans out
He's about the only glimmer of political hope at the moment, I have my doubts he'll even win the Democratic nomination though let alone win the Presidential election. The yanks are collectively too stupid to elect someone with such sensible and rational policies, just as we went for BoJo over Corbyn (although I'd argue Sander's is much more coherent and unambiguous than Corbyn ever was).
@binners congratulations! It appears that you have something other than the Life of Brian in your small library of pictures. Now, do you wish to engage with all of my post rather than the bit you selectively quoted? Or is it time to dash out for the weekend's supply of sourdough and organic hummus?
Back on page one of the thread I replied Jess Phillips in answer to the original question. It seems she's at least going to try:
You do realise that Hummus is actually just tiling grout that they add garlic paste too and label it up in little tubs in Waitrose?
Its the greatest trick the continental ceramics industry ever pulled!
The bastards!
Is it any wonder we voted to leave the EU?!
You do realise that Hummus is actually just tiling grout that they add garlic paste too and label it up in little tubs in Waitrose?
I expect you wouldn't realise this, but you don't have to go to Waitrose to buy it. If it worries you, you could take your Waitrose carrier bag into Lidl. Stock up on Prosecco while you're there.
I do find your perception of me as a sourdough and hummus eating, Waitrose-shopping, prosecco-sipper absolutely priceless.
There are quite a lot of people on here who know me rather well, and must be having a chortle and wondering if it were in any way possible for you to be so completely wide of the mark
I'm authentic northern working class scum. I don't frequent waitrose (as there are none within a 50 mile radius of where I live) But I'm on first name terms with the staff of my local Greggs. 😂
Chin chin
*raises (non-vegan) steak bake
I’m authentic northern working class scum
Alright... its a fair cop, guv. I actually own a grouse shooting moor in north yorshire where I host weekend shooting poarties for Prince Andrew and Russian Oligarchs and then funnel the funds through my bank accounts in the Cayman Islands
And I ****ing love hummus! 😀
Binners is the Duke of Devonshire and I claim my (non-vegan) Steak Bake!
Actually, make it the vegan one as last time I had a SB the meat was of much lower quality than a few years back.
Lots of vacuous nonsense from Phillips about 'speaking truth to power' and 'the voters like me cos I speak like them', and nothing, absolutely nothing on policy. Does she think tearful monologues and angry rants in parliament are going to cut it? She's like a thick Tony Blair, pure inbridled narcissism without the charm.
Lots of vacuous nonsense from Phillips about ‘speaking truth to power’ and ‘the voters like me cos I speak like them’, and nothing, absolutely nothing on policy. Does she think tearful monologues and angry rants in parliament are going to cut it? She’s like a thick Tony Blair, pure inbridled narcissism without the charm.
Or you could take your finger off the self destruct button.
Part of the issue for any candidate is that policy in Labour isn't centred around key personalities, it is shared with conference and the NEC. Any leader with ideas will be shackled by this.
Candidates outside the process are going to struggle. It is arguably RLB's key asset for her campaign.
Apparently her book is quite a read.
Some of Phillips’ advice is sound and commonsensical: when framing a campaign pitch, try and make your narrative relatable in order to elicit an empathetic response; if you have a team of people at your disposal, conduct a skills audit to ensure you get the most out of each member; reach out to influential people if you can; and so on.
Some of it, however, is so woolly and equivocal as to be practically meaningless: of online petitions, Phillips writes that “Without question they should be used . . . but it takes more than just a petition to change things”; for whistleblowers worried about being discredited by their superiors, she writes, “my best advice is to try to guess what tactic they will use, so you can spot it when the do.” Clichés and platitudes abound: we are reminded that “The world is a changing place — these are important times”; progress is “a long and winding road” in “this crazy messed-up world.”
The main question with Phillips seems to be whether she's as thick as she comes across? Doesn't really matter though as she's got no chance of being leader on account of being self-declared good mates with Jacob Rees-Mogg.
The main question with Phillips seems to be whether she’s as thick as she comes across?
Not sure she’d be a good choice, but she has never come across as ‘thick’ as far as I’m concerned. What makes you think that she does? And don’t quote the Tribune, or the Canary, or Novaramedia, or the Morning Star…
What makes you think that she does?
A well documented Pavlovian response to a brummy accent, I suspect. Plummy accent subconsciously equates to clever in a high percentage of the genpop’s minds still, I suspect.
I think she would be a good choice as something different to try. She does answer questions directly so is not just another politician which I think would be a big change in these times of avoiding questions or just lying. The public may or may not hate her after seeing her more (the Jo Swinson affect) but worth a try.
As I said previously, the leader needs to be on a 12 month trial with continual assessment of how they are doing (polls - members and public, focus groups, etc,.) If they are not doing well they go and another leadership contest happens. I can see whoever they pick being there at the next election even though it was clear to everyone that they were not going to do well after the first year, i.e. exactly what happened with Corbyn.
What makes you think that she does?
Pretty much anything she says to be honest. She seems to think that bland platitudes and PR-speak along with a bit of working class reactionary shtick are the answer. The answer to what though? The answer to her becoming leader it seems, but I'm interested in people who want to tackle the big problems in the world, like climate change (which I've never heard her talk about), inequality, the erosion of democracy, and growing nationalism. I have no idea where she stands on any of these issues, and don't expect I'll find out. It's going to take more than a binners-style pie and chips reactionary to beat the tories.
She's not bothered about climate change or at least more bothered about jobs.
I'm 99% sure she said something like "everyone in my constituency works in the airport or making cars they don't want to hear about their jobs going."
Post election rant I think
She’s not bothered about climate change or at least more bothered about jobs.
Of course she's not bothered about climate change, because the people she's pretending to be like don't give a shit about it either. It's all vacuous nonsense, with not a hint of any real vision. A bit like Cooper last time round, but this time with a brummy accent and 'salt of the earth' pretence. Not that it matters, the membership despise her, so he hasn't got a cat in hells chance of winning.
I can understand why Lammy stood aside… and Little Britain would never make him PM… but he’s still the Labour MP I’d most like to have seen take on Johnson.
Still not sure who’s right for the role… Lewis? Phillips? Starmer? I’d happily have any of them as PM… but do any of them have what it takes to take Labour into government? I fear not. However, the attacks on them all so far, from all sides, have made me warm to all three… as they are such lightweight concerns compared to the baggage Johnson and Corbyn had when they took on their leadership roles.
brummy accent
What is your problem?
Not that it matters, the membership despise her, so he hasn’t got a cat in hells chance of winning.
You mean that you and the Corbynites hate her? You'll excuse me for pointing out, yet again, that your judgement on who should be leader has hardly delivered much. Unless you discount the obvious - A whacking great Tory majority.
So I think that the venemous hatred directed at her by the Momentum mob actually serves as a recommendation to most sane people that she's doing something right.
I'd be interested to see the membership figures since the election. I know a good few people (including myself) who've joined the party specifically to vote for someone like Jess Phillips, to reduce the stranglehold of the pious, sanctimonious placard-wavers that have reduced the labour party to an obnoxious, voter-repelling unelectable protest group, and try and make it a potential party of governemnt again. We've had enough of preachy, self-indulgent idealogical purity in permanent opposition. We need peopkle at the head of the labour party who are serious about forming a governement
Who's your candidate? Ian Lavery? Clive Lewis? Do me a ****ing favour!
You think they're electable? Seriously?
Of course they're not. You lot have learnt absolutely nothing from the electoral drubbing the Labour party just received, because you're too busy wallowing in your ridiculous 'we won the argument' righteousness
Here's hoping that some sanity can be restored to the party after this ridiculous Corbynite experiment that has comprehensively failed, by any metric, and always will
What's my problem? This....
Back on page one of the thread I replied Jess Phillips in answer to the original question. It seems she’s at least going to try:
Along with almost everyone else in the country apparently.
Are you seriously saying she's wrong? She's absolutely bang on! Her assessment is absolutely right! She's summarised perfectly what the problem is.
You lot are totally delusional beyond belief? You think a continuation of the Corbynite project will ever deliver a Labour governemnt? Seriously? What on earth is wrong with you lot? What on earth are you on? It terrifies me that atttitudes like yours are so prevelent in the party 'membership'. You've learnt nothing from the worst electoral defeat since the 1930's
You're an absolute gift to the Tories as they know that if this continues then they can do what the hell they like, totally unopposed
This….
Well, that’s made me warm to her a bit more. And I’ve just watched her short “campaign” video from yesterday, and warmed a bit more still. Perhaps she is the right person. Not yet convinced… but you are helping me form an opinion Daz.
https://twitter.com/jessphillips/status/1213175789954510849?s=21
I see the clown who’s inexplicably still leader of HM Opposition still has his finger on the pulse of the issues at the forefront of most voters minds
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1213173690390777858?s=21
🙄
I see the clown who’s inexplicably still leader of HM Opposition still has his finger on the pulse of the issues at the forefront of most voters minds
Yep, same problem. He is continuing to care about things that really don't matter to most people. Somebody needs to care about them and the government should be tackling it but publicly you need to pick what are seen as the biggest things to care about.
And given that he has had no other comment to make on the electoral hammering other than ‘it’s been quite a year for our movement’
Yes.... hasn’t it, Jeremy?
Who’s faults that then?
And I’m sure lots of people are losing sleep over the assassination of such a benevolent and peace-loving member of such a tolerant regime as Iran
It’s typical of the puerile. Anti-American ‘my enemy’s enemy is my friend’, sub-sixth form approach to politics of the Corbynite left. He still doesn’t get it, and never will. Yes... Trump is a ****! We all know that. It doesn’t then follow that everyone who opposes Trump is brilliant. The Iranian regime is pretty much indefensible on many levels. Unless you’re Jeremy Corbyn, apparently.
But then when you’ve spent decades making highly paid rent-a-gob appearances on Iranian state TV to deliver your anti-American diatribes...
Who would be your choice as leader Dazh?
It’s typical of the puerile. Anti-American ‘my enemy’s enemy is my friend’, sub-sixth form approach to politics of the Corbynite left.
I don’t think for a second that that is his position; it’s probably more to do with the fact that if America bumps off a country’s chief of staff, there are likely to be profound consequences, for both America and it’s allies. It’s hardly a de-escalation of tensions; any unexpected action from an ally that has the potential to spark a Third World War surely needs urgent attention.
But yes, the fact that his position can be construed as such highlights the immense political naivety (or couldn’t care less-ness) when it comes to internal UK politics. Sooner he’s back on the back benches the better.
Re ‘the membership can’t stand Jess Phillips’. Hi! I’m a member, I joined dieting the initial excitement around the possibility of Corbyn being able to deliver real change, and have spent the last 4-5 years becoming increasingly disappointed and frustrated by the endless lineup of open goals that have been missed. I’m ready for a change, and I’d back Jess Phillips, or maybe Kier Starmer. They both appear to have something about them, which sadly has been more than could have been said for Corbyn in the end.
You think a continuation of the Corbynite project will ever deliver a Labour governemnt? Seriously?
And where have I said that? You make an awful lot of assumptions based on your fantasy of what you think anyone who isn't a blairite thinks. You'd be far better off actually reading what people post rather than cutting an pasting the usual reactionary rant.
Who would be your choice as leader Dazh?
I don't think any if the candidates are particularly great, and none of them seem to be seriously addressing the major problem in the world today and the radical solutions which are required to solve it. I've said a few times I think Rayner is the best bet, but she's not standing. If I had to vote for any of them (which I don't as I'm not and never will be a member), it would probably be Starmer, with the massive caveat that he's sincere about the radicalism he wants to maintain. He could prove that by having RLB as shadow chancellor with a remit to ensure all labour policies fit within a green new deal, and economic policies which move us away from the destructive goal of perpetual GDP growth.
I see the clown who’s inexplicably still leader of HM Opposition still has his finger on the pulse of the issues at the forefront of most voters minds
What a loser! Concerned about WW3. Probably cares about global warming too!
He could prove that by having RLB as shadow chancellor
Wow. I mean… seriously?!?
seriously?!?
She created labour's green new deal policy, which is the only policy any major party has put forward which comes anywhere close to addressing the climate emergency and the changes needed to address it. Even then it doesn't go far enough, so it's not perfect, but it would be a good start.
What a loser! Concerned about WW3
Lefty snowflakes caring too much about innocent brown people. It's always been the problem.
That letter from Grandad is just utter bollocks though. Demanding that Boris inform him if he was consulted about it?
We know he wasn’t. It’s common knowledge that Trump didn’t even bother consulting Congress, or anyone else.
So shoving that up on Twitter is just yet more pointless, anti-western look-at-me posturing and virtue-signalling to the sixth formers. Apt as he shuffles off, as that’s all he’s ever done with his whole ‘career’
God forbid that he might display the same enthusiasm for things closer to home that actually effect the lives of UK voters.
And World War 3? Yeah, right...
What was it I was saying earlier?
https://twitter.com/malaiseforever/status/1213441827719860224?s=20
Just read the JP bid. Had no idea that her sons school was closed on Fridays because of Tory cuts. No idea and I've seen her on the telly umpteen times in the last few years. Might have helped Labour in this last election if she went on about that rather than how much of a misogynistic Anti-Semite Corbyn was. FFS. Truly she can **** off.
Also she would have no chance in a GE against Bojo. TBH I'm worried that none of them have a chance.
What was it I was saying earlier?
You were saying that being stuck on repeat is the path to success, or something like that.
I remember Phillips being very supportive of the climate strikes. But, what should the emphasis be right now to convince people you are interested in their lives? Public services, education, health, job security, home security.
Had no idea that her sons school was closed on Fridays because of Tory cuts. No idea and I’ve seen her on the telly umpteen times in the last few years.
Blinkers. Even the MSM so hated by us all carried the story of her campaigning on this issue… it was all over the telebox and wireless as well. Were you asleep? Okay, a lot of the coverage was negative (using her child to make a point, virtue signalling, you know, the usual rubbish), but to have not heard about it takes a special and deliberate ignorance.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=jess+phillips+child+outside+number+10
Phillips seems to be a combination of vacuous platitudes and fortune cookie wisdom, delivered with a faux working class schtick. I guess that's why binners is keen.
I'm not too sure about the rest of them, though I think it's a real pity Rayner isn't standing.
Maybe Jeremy should stay on, comrade?
You know... to lead the Resistance
God forbid that he might display the same enthusiasm for things closer to home that actually effect the lives of UK voters.
That's got to be one of the daftest, if not the daftest thing you've ever posted. Dare I mention the billions of taxpayers cash and hundreds of dead UK service people in Iraq? I know we're not allowed to mention the I-word because it was so long ago as to be irrelevant today, and it makes a certain squeaky clean PM look bad, but I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people in the UK have got absolutely no interest in us being involved in another US-led, illegal war in the middle east. Especially against an enemy which poses a far greater threat than Iraq ever did. Aside from climate change, I can't think of a single issue today which isn't more relevant to the lives of UK voters.
I could write you a list. It’d be a long one