[Closed] My ebay seller is not contacting me - should i pay anyway?

paypal always side with the seller if you need to dispute....

Maybe he doesn't want to faff about with your courier? I'd be bl00dy annoyed if i was him.

not much of a dispute then is it? what if i send him the money and he keeps my money and dosent send the item?

he wants to make some money back on the postage meet him half way

paypal always side with the seller if you need to dispute....

i just won a dispute as a buyer last week.
so, no. wrong.

Maybe he doesn't want to faff about with your courier? I'd be bl00dy annoyed if i was him.

well that's what i'm thinking finbar....

but if he told someone else he had the box for it and could send it then surely he must have been thinking about posting it anyway

I think to be fair, he has said that his postage rate is 20 quid in response to the Q, so that's what I'd expect to pay.

There's more to postage than just the cost of the courier, there's the packing, and just the hassle of having to post it yourself anyway. I'd not expect buyers to come back suggesting their own delivery options.

Orange amps cool tho - I'd pay the 20 and get it if you've got it for a cheeky bid anyway 🙂

he wants to make some money back on the postage meet him half way

why should i? he took the risk of selling on an online auction why should i give my money away to him?

[i]not much of a dispute then is it? what if i send him the money and he keeps my money and dosent send the item? [/i]

What if you get runover by a car tommorrow? Life's is risk.

but stuckinarut, the difference between £6.99 and £20 is quite a lot when i'm only paying £61 for the amp

You bid on it knowing that you'd be charged £20 to ship it to you

You're the one backing out of the deal IMO

no, somebody ELSE asked him about postage and the reply, which he made public, was:

"i should think it would be quite pricey - about £20"

EDIT: apologies for not putting that in the OP but i didn't want to write an essay

So you've actually bid on the item on a collect only basis? If that is the case, then its up to him to accept your courier proposal - you can't insist on it. Depends how much you want it, but if it were me, I'd offer to pay for the courier myself and offer him an extra £10 or so for the hassle of boxing it up and waiting in for the courier.

The seller sets the postage charge, so I don't think you have a leg to stand on if it comes to a dispute.

If you arrange a courier he might have to wait in all day, whereas if he posts he could just pop down the Post Office.

by bidding you were agreeing to his postage charges and you already knew this was £20, it doesn't matter if you can find a cheaper courier or not, the only one being difficult is you trying to back out of paying what is due.
If by any chance he doesn't send the goods or you dont get them after paying paypal ALWAYS side with the buyer.

ok i'm getting the feeling that the general consensus is that i should pay him what he wants for shipping.

HOWEVER, he simply hasn't been in contact. not at all. if he came back to me and said "well, that's a bit cheeky since i'll be the one posting it" and actually attempted to discuss it then i'd be ok with that. but NADA..

So you've actually bid on the item on a collect only basis?

spot on geoffj. but he had already told someone else he was willing to post the item. and i have told him i'll be sorting out the courier at my end. i suppose he does have the hastle of waiting in for the courier at his end. but who knows if he won't get in touch there's no way of finding out is there?

what i want to know is should i pay for the amp with paypal or not?

You should have got a message beforehand confirming exactly what the postage price would have been, or confirm that it is ok to collect. If you are sitting there and don't know how much to pay him then forget about it. If he wasn't willing to commit to a postage price then forget about bidding.

You need to confirm how much he wants before you can pay, so send him a reminder asking for the invoice. Give him until Monday lunchtime - if still no answer then neg the ****er!

righty - Member

by bidding you were agreeing to his postage charges and you already knew this was £20,

incorrect - it was listed as collection only but he made public an email to another bidder that he would post the item - he was unsure of the price but thought it MIGHT be around the £20 mark.

Personally wouldnt pay for anything without communications, whether I was being a bit knobbish over postage or not. 😀

mysterymurdoch - thanks that's good advice. it's not my fault he dosen't know how to respond to email. I DID email him beforehand but didn't get a reply but the deal was too good to miss so i bid anyway.

is there a formal way of asking him for an invoice? other than a standard email?

paypal always side with the seller if you need to dispute....

i meant buyer sorry!

it's not being knobbish it's just using my noodle. maybe a bit cheeky but then again if he wanted more money he should have set the auction up as a buy it now shouldn't he 🙂

Send him a messge through eBay and ask him what he wants to do. The ball is in his court. If he doesn't respond there's nothing much you can do other than neg him and tbh that would not really be fair IMHO.

why wouldn't it be fair to neg him FFS? i've won the item fair and square! you can't suddenly decide that you didn't get what you wanted and pull out. It's an auction.

You can do a request total thing, or something through ebay.
Should be on the item screen iirc.

i will only neg him if he dosen't communicate anyway. sent him a request for the total with a note on saying i am willing to negotiate on postage but to check with me first to make sure i agree. after all i don't want to invite him to charge me £30 for postage! that would be a sure fire way of him being able to keep the item and re-list it at a higher price!

I don't see the problem - he won the item but chose to have a courier collect it for him rather than go in person. The seller still gets his sale price (which he would get if it was collected in person).

It would just get messy if (as has been said) he then had to wait in all day for the courier to collect.

I once sold something with a collect only policy (an old dishwasher). The winning bid came from someone 200 miles away so I was lumbered with having to pack it up but drew the line at waiting in for the courier the buyer organised so I just left it outside (as agreed with the buyer) and went to work. He got it okay, and I got £50 for something I would otherwise have had to get to the tip somehow.

Or are you expecting him to PAY the £7 you claim it will cost locally and organise the courier for you? If so, you are taking the Michael if you expect him to only charge £7 because that is how much you can get it couriered for - you should organise and pay for the courier yourself.

[i]why wouldn't it be fair to neg him FFS? i've won the item fair and square! you can't suddenly decide that you didn't get what you wanted and pull out. It's an auction. [/i]

You've done a superb job of reminding me why I never sell things on ebay.
Thank you.

Bomberman - it wouldn't be fair if you started haggling with him about the postage cost. That £20 might be the cost to the other person asking the question for the seller jumping in his car and delivering it by hand (potentially).

I'd request an invoice, or paypal him with the £20 postage included as an additional charge or something. Paypal will refund you if it all kicks off so you'll not lose out.

If you neg, strop, etc. then you've lost a bargain Orange amp. Just remember that's the goal here. You did bid on it knowing the postage was £20, NOT £7 so drop that notion of getting it cheaper.

If he was really switched on he pretend to post the frame, it'll get 'lost' in transit, then he'll refund you money....

If you agreed to the £20 postage fee or collected the item you would be playing fair. If you want something else that the seller didn't agree to before you bid then you aren't really. If I was the seller I'd insist on the £20 postage or offer it as a second chance. All IMHO of course 😉

sent him a request for the total with a note on saying i am willing to negotiate on postage

By emailing the guy haggling for the postage you've potentially opened yourself up to a get-out clause - if eBay see that message during a dispute then they could well come down on the side of the seller

So you see an item that is stated as collection only, this puts a number of people off as they don't live locally. Another ebayer, not yourself, asks about possible postage and the seller suggests they might consider it but at £20 ish. You email the seller about posting and hear nothing back but still bid, and win the auction, for collection only. After two days of the auction ending you have not paid, and seem to think the seller should stay in all day, probably taking a day off work to do so, in order for your courier to collect the item from them. But in 48 hours they have not arranged for your courier to pick up the item so you are going to give them negative feedback?
Well obviously you are in the right, what is this ebayer playing at stating how the item is to be sold/deliveried and then wanting to stick to it! 🙂
But seriously I think you are going to have to collect in person or be very very nice to the seller if you want them to post it to you, as they have stated collection only.

right, i'm sick of everyone assuming i'm a c**k. Hang on a minute and i'll post a screenshot

Heh, man I know how you feel!

😉

I thought the issue was the seller hadn't been intouch with the OP since he won the auction and should he pay or wait to hear from the seller first?
The whole courier / delivery charge things irrelevant since it was advertised as collection only, but it could be delivered for £20ish according to the seller.

If the item is that much of a bargain, it'll still be a bargain for £13 extra.

I think spudulike has summed it up.

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After two days of the auction ending you have not paid, and seem to think the seller should stay in all day, probably taking a day off work to do so, in order for your courier to collect the item from them. But in 48 hours they have not arranged for your courier to pick up the item so you are going to give them negative feedback?

you were exactly right up until this point

i've already emailed him to tell him i'll sort the courier out and pay for it myself! IF that's ok with him! BUT HE HASNT REPLIED. NOT IN 2 DAYS HAS HE MADE A SOUND! what are you chatting man?

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this is the question that the other guy sent him, asking if he could box it up for COURIER COLLECTION. He agrees, but thinks it'll cost 20 quid. I win the item and inform him that i can arrange a courier for £7.99 with interparcel. NO REPLY! AND STILL NO REPLY AFTER 2 DAYS!

i hope now all the haters/trolls can see what i'm getting at!

I think spudulike has summed it up.

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i think spudlike is just trying to wind me up

by the way the screenshot is on page 1 if anyone cares to actually see what is going on

I take it this is the item

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Orange-crush-30r-amp_W0QQitemZ320367047433

He seems to have mainly good feedback, perhaps he'll come back to you in a few days?

yes that's the one. His feedback IS ok but i have a gut feeling he's going to back out

I think you're basically in the right but you should have asked beforehand if it's OK to arrange a courier - the implication is that it's fine as you say. However, it's only been 2 days so something might be up though do understand your frustration.

As for price - local collection auctions usually go for less than they might as limited market; he should have worked out cost and stated postage as an option as would have upped his price no doubt.

OK here's how it works on ebay, when you bid you are entering a contract, part of that contract states that the item is pick up only, unless you have emails stating otherwise then it's down to you to collect the item. Regardless of your message sent you have not had confirmation from the seller that your terms would be acceptable.

If you don't collect then the seller can leave you negative feedback and raise a non payment dispute if you don't pay.

The seller has no obligation to post it to you or wait for a courier, in fact he may well re list if you don't pay as his fees would get refunded.

Bomberman, just as a question, how old are you? You seem to be behaving like a particularly petulant child.

You bid and won an item that was marked "Collection Only". The seller indicated to another that they *might* be prepared to post, and gave an indication of price, and to someone other than you. To my mind, nothing in that is binding - the binding side is in the listing terms, which is the [b]Collection only[/b]. Now you come along playing silly buggers, demanding that this guy contact you, on your timeframe.

He's probably sitting at home, (if he's even read the email, I know sometimes it takes me a few days to read mine, yet alone reply) thinking "what the ****ety has this muppet bid on this for if he can't collect?". Now he's thinking he's got to go through the hassle of relisting etc just because you want to vary the terms of the auction.

[b]IMO you should be collecting the amp[/b], or at the very least offering the £20 postage cost, which would then be his discretion whether to accept. If it was me selling it, I'd happily tell you to piss off and suggest that you actually broke your side of the sale contract. I'd also be rightly pissed off if you then tried to neg me for it, and would throw that straight back through the ebay complaints system.

The seller has no obligation to wait for a courier

How is him waiting for a couier any different than waiting for you?

Bloody hell it's like banging your head against a wall in here sometimes 😕

Nicely edited there owen.

I agree with you on the postage side of it though which is why i edited it.

How is him waiting for a couier any different than waiting for you?

FFS, a courier is unlikely to give a specific time (especially not for 7 quid) so he will probably have to wait in much of the day (could get it picked up from work though), if it is a personal collection it would most likely be in the evening at a specific time 🙄

rs - Member

How is him waiting for a couier any different than waiting for you?

FFS, a courier is unlikely to give a specific time (especially not for 7 quid) so he will probably have to wait in much of the day (could get it picked up from work though), if it is a personal collection it would most likely be in the evening at a specific time

Not from my experiances it isn't. The will tell you a rough time that they will turn up and you can easily get couiers to pick up at a specific time or at least as close to people driving some where that they don't know.

I would have expected some contact after 2 days even if it was to tell you to bugger off.

Eg-chuffing-sactly. the whole point is that the guy hasn't contacted me.

If it was me selling it, I'd happily tell you to piss off

erm...watch your language??

Also, Ebay sellers can't leave negative feedback anymore either.

give him a chance, i'd make you wait just for being a cheeky $%&#! 😀 Then i'd tell you to @&%# off! 😆

lol

Everything is OK, i've had an email back turns out she's had family problems hence the dalay. there's a few w**kers on here, aren't there? (you know who you are ;))

because we don't agree with your simplistic rant, that makes us w**nkers?

I think your parents should probably turn the parental controls on the internet up.

ITS NOT A RANT. READ THE ORIGiNAL POST. DICK. HEAD.

pk-ripper, just to shut you up i have sent you my address. If you have any more insults to throw at me perhaps you would like to come and say them to my face? or are you chicken? BCAAARP!

YOU'RE A LEMON

Oh dear. Just for the record, it's not worth disagreeing with the man above otherwise you may get an email such as that below:

who the F*ck do you think you are? what an complete and utter nob cheese you are posting insults at me on an internet forum. Take a look in the mirror, and THEN ask yourself who needs to grow up.

and here is my address. you are welcome to come round and talk to me face to face.

*address removed*

see you soon (i doubt).

Tim

Please accept my gracious apologies Tim, as I don't like to insult people without good humour, and honestly believe that what I said was, and certainly was intended to be in good humour, and not out of place with similar banter that appears here minute by minute. I'm sorry that you feel the need to invite me round to talk to you face to face, I don't see that it will achieve anything. Unless of course it's for the show "come dine with me" as I'd get to sample your cooking and be on TV. I'd like that.

PK Ripper - Thats exactly why i didnt respond to this thread. You could tell straight away that the guy has an attitude and regadless of how nicely you try to dissagree with him he will start throwing insults.

Grow up bomberman and accept that not everyone must agree with you

oh do shut up!

by the way hobo man - i knew you'd respond to this thread eventually 😉

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right enough now there were a few people who gave sound advice when they said to wait for the guy to respond to email before paying, he has replied and apologised for the delay and is happy to let me sort out the courier - well done those people, to the rest of the troglodites i'm going by the philosophy of:

"don't argue with an idiot, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience"

Bye.

bomberman i have to say i was in total agreement with you and on your side 100%, i understood your frustrations and sympathised with you having to deal with all the "experts".......until you started e-mailing other posters with threatening and generally obnoxious comments, then you blew whatever credibility you had.
Glad you got the amp thing sorted out, but word to the wise, think before you post / mail.

Everything is OK, i've had an email back turns out [b]she's[/b] had family problems hence the dalay

[b]he[/b] has replied and apologised for the delay

Sounds like the family problems were a sex change to me....

Its not IWH on e-bay as well is it??

bigyinn, i didn't actually threaten the guy, lets get that one straight. it's a real shame but this forum is fast becoming a sounding room for people to let out their pent up frustration.

I started this thread asking a perfectly reasonable question of 'should i pay for the item if the seller isn't responding to emails' and some people feel the need to use that as a platform for abuse. I'm sure 99% of the people who seem to say what they want on here would never say it face to face in real life, which is why i invited Mr pk-ripper to come and discuss it over a nice friendly cuppa. After all, it's easy for him to swear and shout at me from behind his keyboard, isn't it? and if you check back through the thread i think you'll find that PK was the one who lowered the tone with his aggressive language. F*ckety - this and P*ss this. not nice is it? even with letters blanked out. what if my kids had read that?

I'm sure he or someone else'll be back in a minute to tell me to grow up. it's all very predictable 🙄 I don't know why i hang out on here to be honest.

Bomberman you really don't help yourself, with your 'what if my kids had read that' comment, but its okay for your kids and everyone elses to read [u]you[/u] write 'dick head' and 'w**ker'.

I agree that the tone on this forum has been less then warm and friendly of recent, but it doesn't mean everyone should resort to hurling abuse.

I'm glad you got your amp issue resolved!

bomberman, just read things in context. If you take everything literally and as a personal affront because they express an opinion that's different to yours then you'll be a very angry person for a long time. The language I used, I don't believe to be offensive - if you think piss is a bad word then you'll likely explode if you ever meet an irishman. Probably best keep Hollyoaks off the TV too - it's on at 1830 and they say "crap" in that fairly regularly.

As for opening an email with "who the F*ck do you think you are? what an complete and utter nob cheese you are" and now trying to dress it up as an invite to a cup of tea? I find that incredibly immature and it smacks of a total lack of humility and self-awareness.

it's a real shame but this forum is fast becoming a sounding room for people to let out their pent up frustration.

Hmmmmm, what was the point of your thread again 🙄 asking us all what to do becuase you were frustrated you hadn't received a response from she/he in two days 😆

pk-ripper, i find you incredibly patronising. please for the love of God, just leave me alone!