[Closed] M&S still asking for my Christian name? Outdated or ok?

Green

Jesus still loves you even if you're making a tit of your self in marks and sparks.

But I don’t believe in fairies.

Did you refuse to give your surname too as you're not Knighted.

Your belief in fairies has no bearing on God's undimmed love for you.

very outdated. should be first name, family name

I've never been asked my name in M&S.

Who should I complain to?

1/10 🙄

I've never been asked my name in M&S.

Who should I complain to?

Christomer services.

very outdated. should be first name, family name

Very outdated, down with the patriarchy.

Greg’s are on first name terms with me;-)

😆

It's a colloquialism that's been used interchangeably with "first name" for centuries. Nothing more. No need to overthink or go all militant atheist over.

[i]In English-speaking cultures, a person's Christian name is commonly their first name and typically the name by which they are primarily known.

Traditionally, a Christian name was given on the occasion of Christian baptism, with the ubiquity of infant baptism in medieval Christendom. In Elizabethan England, as suggested by Camden, the term Christian name was not necessarily related to baptism, used merely in the sense of "given name": [/i]

Why on earth would it not be ok to ask for your Christian name?

I've never been asked my name in M&S.

Who should I complain to?

Don't worry, the achingly offended will complain on your behalf.

And find you an oppressed minority to be part of.

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Why on earth would it not be ok to ask for your Christian name?

You’d have to be trying really hard to find an issue with it wouldn’t you.

(Or maybe just wanting to a bellend to someone who’s just doing their job)

GlennQuagmire - Member

Why on earth would it not be ok to ask for your Christian name?

If you are not a Christian? How is a Jew or Hindu supposed to answer - thats why its first name / family name nowadays on official stuff

I don't have a christian name - I am not a christian nor am I baptised. Fortunately most people are better informed or more sensitive so don't use these outdated terms

Isn’t M&S more commonly associated with Judaism?

Who is M&S?

I don't have a christian name - I am not a christian nor am I baptised

Cool.

So what would you have done when confronted by such a disgusting slur in M&S ?

(Be honest)

If you are not a Christian?

I'm not - but applying a tiny bit of common sense and I can work out I'm being asked for my first name.

Why take offence?

given name, family name with optional patronymic.

Son of Odin.

Guys I’m not taking offence, I’m just surprised people still use that old terminology as it’s just a bit old fashioned asking for a Christian name, hence my reply to that manager: My first name is Frankenstein’.

Slimshady

Why would someone in M&S want to see some ID?

Is this for buying alcohol?

I thought Christian was an S&M name?

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Nice suit ^^^

Well I was collecting a parcel.

Yesterday just needed my surname and no I.D. I was wearing my suit.

Good thing I had I.D today otherwise I.D have to make another trip.

Today it was proof of I.D and address etc I assume as I was in mtb clothes and not in my suit.

Prejudice against cyclists lol

hence my reply to that manager: My first name is Frankenstein

It’s not though is it.

Yesterday just needed my surname and no I.D. I was wearing my suit.

Good thing I had I.D today otherwise I.D have to make another trip.

Today it was proof of I.D and address etc

So you had no problem with the person yesterday who wasn’t doing their job properly.

But you decided to pick a pointless argument today with the person who was doing their job properly.

Odd.

😆

Jeremy is a Christian name. He's a saint who is celebrated on May day in France which is kind of fitting for you TJ. He was a Hebrew prophet who predicted the lack of morality of people would be punished, and it was apparently , again rather fitting. The characteristics of Jeremies don't need translating:

Jérémy a une persévérance et une détermination à toute épreuve. Il aime la structure et la sécurité et a horreur du hasard.

Perfect! Your parents chose wisely. 😉

nealglover

So what would you have done when confronted by such a disgusting slur in M&S ?

(Be honest)

dunno really - its not something I have seen or been asked for for decades. I don't find it offensive although those who are devout non christians might Probably just said something like " you mean personal ( or first name) and family name"

Remember I am awkward in real life as well - I refuse 100% to be called by an honorific for example - you know those forms that ask for a title - always left blank, always just my initial. Online ones sometime will not let you leave it blank in which case I tick "other" and fill in " no title" which has on occasions had stuff addressed to No title T. J 🙂

I think for that one I shall fill in "grand Poobah" in future or " lord High everything else"

Nice one edukator is that the same chappie as Jeremiah? My surname also has a meaning in Christianity perhaps I should use that as my "Christian" name

Yes, Jeremiah or Yirmyahu.

Il aime la structure et la sécurité et a horreur du hasard.

Not if it made drivers around him less careful. He'd be objective about it, look at the stats that show no reduced risks for helmet wearing and make a rational decision to only wear a helmet if it was objectifly the right thing to do. 💡

Edukator - Reformed Troll

Jeremy is a Christian name. <snip> He was a Hebrew prophet

Wait, wut?

Bit old fashioned but thats all. I certainly wouldnt be upset about someone asking about it.
Where I work we switched to just First and Last name a long time back but that was just on the grounds when dealing with multiple countries its easier to understand than Christian and Surname.

I find not being obstinate just for the sake of it a far easier way to live my life.

I just wish more people would adopt this approach.

Hey, life's all about having a good time 🙂

Unless its Italy...
then its the other way round....

Nom(s), prénom(s)... *********** sexe... oui

GlennQuagmire - I find standing up and being counted in the fight against prejudice important. I wish more would do so.

GlennQuagmire - I find standing up and being counted in the fight against prejudice important. I wish more would do so.

Feel free. Enjoy.

But chill....

Oh I do - I don't get angsty or upset about it.

*Holds head in hands - it's like being surrounded by an impressionable bunch of precious 6th formers on here.

If someone asks for your Christian name, just tell them the name your parents/mates call you ffs. What more needs to be made of it, seriously?????

GlennQuagmire - I find standing up and being counted in the fight against prejudice important. I wish more would do so.

I agree.

But I don’t think some old lady in M&S using a slightly outdated (but widely accepted) term, counts as “prejudice” really.

What would you say if someone asked you for your Muslim name? anyway what my dad and my friends call me is not my given first name 🙂

Language is important in inclusiveness - this is why "christian name" is now no longer used much.

I don't have a Muslim name TJ, as I'm not from Muslim descendancy. We've always called our primary name a Christian name in the UK, regardless of whether we are Christian or not - handwringers and virtue signallers who now deem this inappropriate boil my piss to be honest, it's just another nonsense protest against nothing in a pathetic attempt to appear PC.

tjagain - Member 
What would you say if someone asked you for your Muslim name?

I'd probably say Mohamed, it'd be the first thing to pop into my head

boil my piss

My piss has never ever boiled, no idea how that would happen. Act of god?

And with that you show your inability to understand privilege or prejudice.

I don't have a Christian name. I am not baptised. How about a hindu man - does he have a Christian name?

Its just outdated - thats all. rightly so because it excludes a significant part of the population

Its not a hugely important issue but its that drip drip effect that adds up to something not nice if yo are not of Christian descent

And with that you show your inability to understand privilege or prejudice

Do you understand my lack of concern?

I'm not a Christian - I don't believe in God. I don't get all offended on behalf of nobody if someone asks my Christian name though. People have the right to a voice - if asked for a Christian name, why not say Christianity has no place in my life, or beliefs, but people call me Jeremy, or Dave (in my case), thanks for asking - rather than getting all frothy mouthed about something that other faiths probably really aren't that bothered about?

rubber buccaneer- that was aimed at The artist formerly....... crossed posts

The artist - at what point did I suggest getting all frothing about it. I was asked above what I would do and my answer was much as you said

dunno really - its not something I have seen or been asked for for decades. I don't find it offensive although those who are devout non christians might Probably just said something like " you mean personal ( or first name) and family name"

Fair enough TJ - I probably got wrapped up in reading the whole tone of the thread and directed my response at you as the first responder.

And wine 😉

Its just outdated - thats all. rightly so because it excludes a significant part of the population

and i’m sure that part of the population is lining up to thank you for being offended on their behalf

No worries the artist

legend - and just where did I say I was offended? I even said the opposite

Its one of the things that makes me laugh on threads like this - people inventing offence taken by others.

What would you say if someone asked you for your Muslim name?

Because that has never been an accepted term, that everybody understands, I would be confused and I would ask what they meant.

But, as that has never been an accepted term, and nobody knows what it means, I’m not sure why you would think asking such a rediculous question was worthwhile.

But I answered it, so maybe I’m the daft one. 😕

TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsSTR - Member

I don't have a Muslim name TJ, as I'm not from Muslim descendancy.

I'm not from christian descendancy so I guess I don't have a christian name.

Picture the scene....

The OP and their other half are in bed, doing the duvet disco. It's going well. Very well.

The other half yells in passionate tones, "Oh my God, that's good! Keep going,"

OP stops, mid thrust....."I'm sorry, but what did you say?"

😉

Neal- to point out the ridiculousness of saying "Christian name" 😉

s****s at CFH

I'm not from christian descendancy so I guess I don't have a christian name.

At what point in your grown up, adult life did you decide to start getting all precious about it though? When you realised you weren't a Christian, or when you realised you could get offended about it on behalf of others?

TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsSTR - Member

At what point in your grown up, adult life did you decide to start getting all precious about it though?

I didn't. At which point in your grown up, adult life did you decide to start pretending other people were getting precious about things they're not?

When I started reading the tripe spouted on here NW

Ah well, I suppose it's good that you know you're doing it at least

You are responsible for a good percentage of it, so at least your trolling is getting a resonse - chapeau!

And with that you show your inability to understand privilege or prejudice.

Meanwhile, in Syria...

Can you really not find any more pressing issues to get excited about?

and another one who thinks that I was getting all excited about this

Good Heavens / OMG* This thread is amazing.

It never even occurred to me that 'christian name' had a meaning beyond 'first name'. Isn’t this just an example of when things get used by a populace, they get written into language? It might have vaguely religious origins but it becomes common parlance. The evolution of language? I can’t believe there are people on here who wish to halt the progression of English's rich tapestry.

P.S. Mr TJ - how on Earth and when did you decide titles were bad? For what possible reason? That’s a hilariously banal thing to get upset about.

*Ironical effect intended. I don’t even believe in God/god/heaven and yet I understand the term. Wowzers.

She sounds like a complete witch, how dare she use such offensive language. I bet she still addresses customers as sir and Madame simply based on their obvious physical appearance.

**** you m&s

You were completely correct to act like a Womble and then call her an old bint.

TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsSTR - Member

You are responsible for a good percentage of it, so at least your trolling is getting a resonse - chapeau!

Ah so let me see if I understand... You admit that you were pretending I was getting precious, for some weird reason, and yet you think it's me that's trolling? Right on.

Frankenstein - Member
Nice suit ^^^

Well I was collecting a parcel.

Yesterday just needed my surname and no I.D. [b]I was wearing my suit[/b].....

probably thought you worked there 8)

as to Christian name - it no longer reflects society - I complained at kid's junior school for using it on forms and it got changed - once complained to M&S that by splitting children's dressing up clothes into boys and girls (eg doctors and nurses) they were perpetuating gender stereotypes, got a letter back saying that "it reflected the wishes of the majority of their customers"

superficial - another one who makes hyperbolic claims about others getting upset when its clear no one is. Why do people do this?

Society evolves, sometimes we approve sometimes not. At a time when female versions of male jobs are being invented and "person" being used as a suffix rather than man or woman, why are the Guardian journalists not using "actress" for a female who acts? Jokes about the actor and the bishop just don't work.

Will we ever find out why M&S need your christian/first/given/mulsim name?

tjagain - Member
superficial - another one who makes hyperbolic claims about others getting upset when its clear no one is. Why do people do this?

It basically boils down to the words you use to communicate. HTH 😛

Anyway, if someone asked me what my Muslim name was. Frankly I wouldn't GAF. And my response would simply be to my first name as a guess at what they're after. I don't think I'd even manage confusion in the event.

I'd then, in idle curiosity based chit chat almost certainly ask a question as to what it'd be.

Anyway, if someone asked me what my Muslim name was. Frankly I wouldn't GAF. And my response would simply be to my first name as a guess at what they're after. I don't think I'd even manage confusion in the event.

I'd then, in idle curiosity based chit chat almost certainly ask a question as to what it'd be.

Same here. Sometimes I think in this current desperate need to appear "inclusive", all we as a society do is highlight little, innocuous and irrelevant differences and make them into issues.

Out of interest, while chatting to a lifelong friend last night online about both of our upcoming babies' births, I sent him a link to this thread. He happens to be Muslim, practicing but also westernised as 3rd generation. His response when I asked what he'd say if asked his Christian name? "Shahzad innit. What the **** else am I going to say?".

Jesus what 30s backwater do you lot live in . No one uses "Christian name" anymore its not viture signalling or sjw handwriting to find it's use so odd its worthy of comment.
For what it's worth if I ever do go to Chipping Norton or where ever I will politely say I don't have a Christian name but my first name is Kenton.

superficial - another one who makes hyperbolic claims about others getting upset when its clear no one is. Why do people do this?

Because your inability to not respond to every single point makes it look like you are heading for froth-max.....

...... and for teh lolz