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For a Racerunner thing I built, we need some way of dampening out the steering - we've tried springs to centre the steering, but looking for something better - does anyone know how motorbike steering dampers work? Are they just like shock absorbers, or do they have a spring too? Do they just damp out oscillations, or do they spring back to the centre position too?

Cheers 😉


 
Posted : 22/05/2014 7:30 pm
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No centreing mechanism on any m/cycle steering damper I've used.


 
Posted : 22/05/2014 7:35 pm
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Oil based push pull rod through a cylinder. No spring at all.


 
Posted : 22/05/2014 7:35 pm
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Ah okay, cheers - that might just do the trick.


 
Posted : 22/05/2014 7:36 pm
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Chinese ones are decent value for money


 
Posted : 22/05/2014 7:39 pm
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Excellent, I'll get something off of eBay and give it a go. Thanks 😉


 
Posted : 22/05/2014 7:40 pm
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Are Racerunners similar geo to trikes?

Is it a fast shimmy at certain speeds or a constant instability?


 
Posted : 22/05/2014 7:43 pm
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This is the beastie:

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It's more that the rider finds it hard to steer straight when running hard.


 
Posted : 22/05/2014 7:50 pm
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Odyssey used to make a mountain bike one. Back in the day and hopey still make them:

http://www.hopey.org


 
Posted : 22/05/2014 7:51 pm
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Just tighten the headset up a bit and forget the damper! 🙂
That's how the old friction dampers worked.

Hydraulic motorbike dampers allow the steering to move normally under steady inputs but stop 'tankslappers' and high speed oscillation under load - got to be worth trying.

Could you fit a steering lock restrictor as well?

If constant sharp movements aren't required, could you radically change the geo to improve stability at the expense of agility?
Something self centering, perhaps a tiller?

EDIT - just seen the above Odyssey link. They look good. 🙂


 
Posted : 22/05/2014 7:56 pm
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Have you simply tried wider bars? They look awful narrow to me.


 
Posted : 22/05/2014 8:47 pm
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It's just possible I have an old one in the garage, I'll have a look tonight. Lots of standard GSXR ones available as people took them off and replaced them with functionally identical but gold Ohlins ones 😉


 
Posted : 22/05/2014 8:59 pm
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The bar angle is just funny - they're normal width. Talking to her, a dampener sounds like the perfect solution.


 
Posted : 22/05/2014 11:25 pm
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Bencooper. What do you use one of these for? Serious question!


 
Posted : 22/05/2014 11:38 pm
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It's for use on a running track, for people with balance or stability problems.


 
Posted : 22/05/2014 11:56 pm
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That might be an idea for one of my friends - is there an association? Did a quick google search and ended up with results relating to truck parts...


 
Posted : 23/05/2014 12:02 am
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I think there are a few about - try googling "racerunning".


 
Posted : 23/05/2014 12:08 am
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Racing wheelchairs ben....canhave self centering locked or rotatable


 
Posted : 23/05/2014 12:09 am
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I googled racerunner... I'm a dumbass - I know!


 
Posted : 23/05/2014 12:31 am
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Before you go down the line of welding mounts on for a damper, have you tried simple bar end weights? These can stop some of the initial weave.


 
Posted : 23/05/2014 2:33 am
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I've already brazed on the mounts, so that's no problem - not sure weights would do the trick, they'd have to be pretty massive to damp out someone pushing against them. It's not a steering-induced wobble it's a rider-induced one, if that makes sense.

We looked at the wheelchair setup, but they're really designed for when you can't have your hands on the bars - not a problem for this.


 
Posted : 23/05/2014 8:21 am