[Closed] More Tory Nastiness...

What does 'flat out' mean?

Who know if they are right or not, but I'd expect it to be the usual Tory working class-bashing.

"We must stop bailing out the reckless, avoiding all risk and rewarding laziness."

Eh?
If there's one thing about the reckless, they're not risk adverse.

Some selective quoting from the BBC I expect. Why not wait till the book is published, read it yourself, form your own opinion and then come and rant on a forum.

That's probably too much like hard work though....

Some selective quoting from the BBC I expect.

It was the same selective quoting used by the Evening Standard (which they referenced). Anyone who isn't lazy would have realised this.

"Too many people in Britain prefer a lie-in to hard work," they argue.

Well "*******" DUUUUHHHHHH. I prefer a lie-in to hard work. Cant think of anyone who doesnt. Infact anyone who says they do is a liar.

we live in a benefit state where it's more profitable (for some) to remain on handouts than look for a menial job cleaning toilets or stacking shelves in poundland or some shiz

That's a lot of cheek from people that make 65 grand for a part time job...

Kwasi Kwarteng doesn't seem to have any other employment apart from being a public sector employee with short working hours and long holidays: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmregmem/120730/kwarteng_kwasi.htm

we live in a benefit state where it's more profitable (for some) to remain on handouts than look for a menial job cleaning toilets or stacking shelves in poundland or some shiz

Then the problem is that the jobs don't pay enough - not that benefits are too high.

If you can get a job, that is.

Employers need to buck up their ideas on what living salary actually works out to be and what it should be like bencooper clearly states.

To boost a good work ethic, there has to be a good incentive.

we live in a benefit state where it's more profitable (for some) to remain on handouts than look for a menial job cleaning toilets or stacking shelves in poundland or some shiz

Do you really believe that, or just read it in the Daily Hate?

Well they've demonised, with the help of their attack dogs in the right wing press, the 'underclass', the disabled, the public sector. The rest of us who work for a living ( shall we call us the 'working class') were obviously next.

If we'd only work 24/7 with no working conditions, pensions, sick pay or holidays, and doff our caps to our robber barron landowner 'betters' then the country would be in a far better state!

and doff our caps to our robber barron landowner 'betters' then the country would be in a far better state!

at least you know your place chap, well done that man!

*makes note to send binners one extra lump of coal at chrismtas as a bonus, Don't use it all at once*

Yet more socialist bleating I see.

Sort of ties in with the film line thread 😀

Brassed Off

[i]Mr. Chuckles[/i]
So God was creating man. And his little assistant came up to him and he said: "Hey, we've got all these bodies left, but we're right out of brains, we're right out of hearts and we're right out of vocal chords." And God said: "**** it! Sew 'em up anyway. Smack smiles on the faces and make them talk out of their arses." And lo, God created the Tory Party.

Smack smiles on the faces and make them talk out of their arses." And lo, God created the Labour Party.

That's more accurate. 😆

 

cons and lib dems will soon be getting a divorce , and then an election, and lost of unemployable politians hopefully, we can all but hope sooner rather than latter this or next year.

If that happens lets pray we don't ge the Millibandwagonjumpertaxdodgers in so they can finish what Y not b liar and brown nose started. I.E. making this country financially worse off than Greece. We've just had 13 years of socialist gangsters wrecking our country. We don't need them back in power to finish us off.

Gorehound - Member

Yet more socialist bleating I see.

You appear to have completely misunderstood Gorehound.

It's really not that complicated......."Tories" are [u][i]not[/i][/u] "socialists".

Have another go :

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19300051 ]British workers 'among worst idlers', suggest Tory MPs[/url]

I didn't say they were. It's the socialists on here who are doing the bleating just because the morons they voted for got ousted after 13 years of screwing our country up.

It's the socialists on here who are doing the bleating

Seriously, read the link. You'll find that it's the Tories who are doing the "bleating". And they're definitely not socialists.

New Labour socialist?

You gotta be kidding...

gorehound, i fear youre trapped in some daily mailesqe world, totally divorced from any reality.

I do hope the staff are kind to you, and there are some good drug treatments available now on the NHS,

lol

[i]we live in a benefit state where it's more profitable (for some) to remain on handouts than look for a menial job cleaning toilets or stacking shelves in poundland or some shiz [/i]

No, its because the rules are so complicated/harsh that's its not worth doing them vs staying on benefits.

And who actually cares what some early 30 y/o MP's think?

And here they are:

http://www.****/news/article-387015/A-list-Torys-affair-married-Cameron-high-flyer.html

- slept her way up

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominic_Raab

- lawyer, what more to say

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priti_Patel

- never had a proper job

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Skidmore

- never had a proper job

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwasi_Kwarteng

- went to Eton

So quite frankly, what these lot know about real life could probably be written on a stamp...

No Project I'm the one who is in the real world not some guardian/daily mirror/socialist propaganda induced trance like some of you lot are.

No Project I'm the one who is in the real world not some guardian/daily mirror/socialist propaganda induced trance like some of you lot are.

Is it because the country is in a [i]socialist propaganda induced trance,[/i] that despite what you call "morons" were in power for 13 years, the Tories still couldn't win an election ?

Is it all because the media is in the hands of the socialists ?

gorehound, you claim to be in the real world yet think that the previous labour govt were socialists ?

i'm going to stick around to see if you can come up with any more ingenious ways to talk out of your arse.

Yet again you have got it wrong. I talk through my mouth unlike you labour voting poor brainwashed fools.

That's some masterful trolling there, Gorehound...

Gorehound - Member
No Project I'm the one who is in the real world not some guardian/daily mirror/socialist propaganda induced trance like some of you lot are.

Keep taking the medication, its nothing to be ashamed of that you have delusions about the labour party,and them being responsible for all the uk plc,s ills a lot of them where created by the world ecconomic crisis and the poor banking management.

Perhps get out more.

X factor is on now.

Yawn. One of these days they will find a cure for your socialist stupidity.

Probably not much call for one, as we are not stupid just realistic.

Wrong as usual you're more brainwashed than realistic, you believe the tripe they print in the guardian and daily mirror for starters, and you vote for fools that deregulate the banks, sell peerages, questions in parliament and let a scumbag like murdoch do whatever he wants to do. Not to mention what the glorious Gordon did to the countrys gold reserves.

Must be a chilled out Saturday night in your place Gorehound. Nice bit of crazed right-wing ranting before Casualty.

That's some masterful trolling there, Gorehound...

It's not trolling, it's a panic and hysteria.

Faced with a thread that exposes some of the particularly nasty and unpleasant character of the Tory Party, Gorehound finds himself completely unable to respond in an intelligent, meaningful, and measured way. So he panics and comes out with some ranting drivel about "socialists".

What else did you expect him to do .......defend the indefensible ?

So because I don't lick windows and vote labour I'm a troll and attempt to defend the indefensible. As for ranting drivel take a look at the tripe you type in defense of the labour government who took a booming economy and left us bankrupt.

look at the tripe you type in defense of the labour government who took a booming economy and left us bankrupt.

You're getting carried away with your ranting Gorehound. I am totally opposed to New Labour and their record during 13 years of government.

I find the distinction between New Labour and Old Tory insufficient for me to support Labour.

What do you think about the link in the OP btw ?

Gorehound.
Troll..
Or idiot... 😀

nice to see new big hitter reduced STW is still a festival of bile and spite....well done all, have a gold star and a scratch and sniff sticker 🙄

Sorebound wants to take over the UK! Ahhh run for your life!

I must say when someone such as Gorehound presents such an eloquent and well formed argument its very hard to disagree.

uselesshippy - Member
Gorehound.
Troll..
Or idiot...

onceinalifetime - Member
Sorebound wants to take over the UK! Ahhh run for your life!

So you resort to personal insultsbecause you can't defend the fools you vote for, you know the ones THE LABOUR PARTY!. You'll be reporting me to the mods again next as usual.

Err.
You called everyone window lickers....

Fire up the Banhammer 🙄

Actually didn,t vote for either so goes to show how on the balls you are.. rolls you know what.

Right.
Let me get this right. Because I disagree with some juvenile tory, who says I need to work more than the 60+ hours a week I already do, while they've never had a job...
That makes me a socialist, left wing, guardian reading, window licker.
Sorry, your not a troll,
Your an idiot

Fire up the Banhammer

I wonder which banned big hitter Gorehound is? - can he be outed?

Well, bizarrely he has been with us since May 2010, although I've not noticed before. I tend not to read the more balanced posts though which may be why.

Yeah, ban everyone! 'Cos bans work.

I reckon its TJ after one too many bans he's flipped!!

davidjones post reported 😉

Gorehound is Michael Gove and I claim my £5.

Seriously fella, are you for real? Really real?

Oh and please don't ban him. He is doing a *[b][i]fantastic[/b][/i]* bit of PR for the Tories. Has Dave got your number?

Lol @ hamish. Executed nicely

You lot are a real scream. You call anyone who doesn't agree with you'r left wing tripe a troll or an idiot and then try to get them banned when they retaliate to your troll name calling. As for being juvenile look at yourselves.

Gorehound - Member
As for ranting drivel take a look at the tripe you type in defense of the labour government who took a booming economy and left us bankrupt.

yep, when we had natioanised steel industry, car truck and bus, railways, and lots more, none haveing to pay massive dividends to shareholders and bankers.all spold of for pennies to thatchers mates.

Now we have bailed out bust banks, no train ,bus, car or truck industries,owned by us the state and the highest fare for trains in europe.
We are also seeing the police and NHS dismantled by somebody who hasnt read the manual of how it was all created, but si smashing it apart with the aid of accountants, who couldnt use an abacus if one fell into their pram.

when they retaliate

Is that what you did ?

I get the impression most people think that you steamed into this thread throwing insults with obvious relish.

Still at least it's in keeping with the thread's title of "More Tory Nastiness". So no one can really accuse you of going off topic.

Are you refering to the nationalised industries that brought the country to it's knees. British leyland for instance?

BL, created a lot of jobs for workers and produced a lot of exports, now all sadly lost to imports.

now all sadly lost to imports.

Because they spent more time on strike than they did working and what they did produce on the rare occasions they did do any work was at best second rate and at worst total sh173 that fell apart or rotted away due to poor workmanship.

and what they did produce on the rare occasions they did do any work was at best second rate and at worst total sh173 that fell apart or rotted away due to poor workmanship.

bit like the present gobernments policies.

Because [s]they spent more time on strike than they did working[/s] industrial relations were at an all time low on both sides and what they did produce [s]on the rare occasions they did do any work was at best second rate and at worst total sh173 that fell apart or rotted away due to poor workmanship[/s] suffered through complacency and lack of investment in new technology.

FIFY.

Gorehound, do you fully believe that the current cabinet are the best people to take us forward? A bunch of clowns, none of whom have had a real job and many who (without daddy's friends) would have had a job at all. I'm not saying that the opposition are any better but you are very passionate in your defence of the Tory party. Do you really believe in them so unconditionally?

 

So labours policies were better were they?

No, but they didn't tell us to be more like south korea.

British Leyland is a really bad example of a nationalised company. As far as I'm aware BL was never 100% nationalised. It was part-nationalised and only for about 10 years, most of that time under Tory governments. And the reason for the part-nationalisation were simular to the reasons for the nationalisation of Northern Rock, ie, the private sector had totally screwed up and the government had to step in and deal with a crises.

all this stuff is academic anyway, 'cos it's a well known fact that no-one likes a tory..

They didn't tell us anything while they wrecked the country. Remember the FC sell off? Labour started selling FC land through the back door in a cynical attempt to balance the books after their attempt to nationalise the banks by trying to bust them out failed.

No, but they didn't tell us to be more like [s]south[/s] North Korea

I think total suppression of the working class would give gorehound a certain amount of satisfaction.

#edit - not to mention a little boner...

.....after their attempt to nationalise the banks by trying to bust them out failed.

I'm seriously impressed by that. Your ability to come out with complete drivel is quite frankly staggering.
I couldn't come close to that no matter how hard I tried.

you vote for fools that deregulate the banks

Labour ... attempt to nationalise the banks by trying to bust them out failed.

So Labour deregulated the banks in order to make them go bust?

Right... Hardly an argument for the free market is it?

EDIT: So recent Labour governments [i]were[/i] socialist. It was all a cunning plan!

I find that amusing coming from someone who spouts dogmatic socialist drivel as a habit.

Out of interest Gorehound what do you do for a job?

Out of interest Gorehound what do you do for a job?

Public relations consultant for the conservative party,pays minimum wage, and no holidays,or sick pay.

I make chipboard panels in a crappy factory. Before that I was a labourer on building sites. My trade was forestry before the last labour government totally destroyed the forestry industry along with the rest of rural britain, but you townies won't give a toss about that.

Out of interest Gorehound what do you do for a job?

I suspect that he works for the Labour Party and is on a mission to make the Tories look like complete idiots.

No project, I don't think he works for the Tory Party - give them some credit ffs.

Wrong again Ernie, but that's nowt new is it.

Assuming that the BBC is accurately reporting what these people have written, then the comments suggest that this is probably not a book (Britannia Unchained) that is worth pre-ordering off Amazon. 😉 The chosen quotes seem more sensationalist and silly, than informed analysis of what the authors claim to be the lessons to be learned from more dynamic economies in the real world.

At the same time, this sort of nonsense illustrated again how difficult it is to have rational economic debate in this country (by this I mean not on STW! But generally).

We have a confused economic situation right now that no one seems close to solving. At its heart are conflicting themes coming from the labour market (slightly positive) and the output data (silly gloomy, in fact increasingly so). The real question IMO is how can this be the case? The positive argument proposed by some is that the labour market is giving a more accurate reflection than the output data and that we are thought the worst. Lets hope that this is the case but I am not so sure. The alternative argument is that if the labour market is improving but output is still falling then questions have to be raised about UK productivity. But the answers are unlikely to include the more rabid quotes attributed to the book's authors.

Still it would be nice to have sensible debate in the press about how to tackle problems on both the demand and supply side of the economy, but it would be silly to hold one's breadth. The oddity it that the only front bench politician who is articulating any form of supply side policies is Ed Balls who made some sensible comments after the last GDP data revisions. Interesting that these comments came from a left-of-centre broadly Keynesian economist/politician rather than a Tory or Lib Dem MP.

My trade was forestry before the last labour government totally destroyed the forestry industry along with the rest of rural britain, but you townies won't give a toss about that.

are rural Britain and forestry destroyed..?