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Kids watched one yesterday, in it the real victim punctured a lung and bear told an anecdotal story about another guy who drowned crossing a river. It's hardly surprising that he didn't recreate both moments.
I find the amount of fervent hate bemusing, you climberists must be an easy bunch to troll.
You know those YouTube videos that consist of 15 minutes of "me riding down trail X"? Well TV would be like that without editing. You don't make an interesting TV show without having some form of storyline planned out beforehand, there has to be progression through each scene to lead to the next otherwise the viewer is just going: "a minute ago they were abseiling in the jungle now they are wearing snow shoes" or something equally jarring.
Unless it's one of the early Benedict Allen shows where he shoots everything on a small handheld camera then there will be a film crew on hand, naive to think otherwise.
The only BG show I've watched beyond the first 30 seconds was the one with Barack Obama and there was one point where the camera did turn round to show the rather large retinue that accompanies the POTUS (as Obama was at the time).
All the above is a bit different, it's *how* the programme is made, to the actual programme content being patently wrong or not in line with the narrative.
I find the amount of fervent hate bemusing, you climberists must be an easy bunch to troll.
You have absolutely no idea.
The UKC forum makes this place look like Gandhi's crochet club.
My worry with him, is that he is portraying actions and risk that he is not actually taking,
So what? Whats the point of inspiring people to go out and be adventurous then saying at the end "ooooh actually its really dangerous so lets dial down the fun please". Its going to put people off and parents might stop their kids doing it.
Anyway, the sort of people who are daft enough to be injured by, for example, jumping in a river or climbing up some rocks, would probably be daft enough to do it without watching the programmes.
I meet a different bunch of year 6 kids evey week and if I bad mouth him it’s like I’ve killed Santa in front of them.
They don’t care if he’s top roped up that. They don’t care if he sleeps in a hotel after pretending to whittle a bed out of a goat’s carcass.
They don’t care. He is awesome and makes them want to go outside and do stuff.
Which is great.
^^^^This very much...... you don't inspire kids by frightening them and warning them, you go out, do awesome stuff and they want to do the same. Ray Mears is also great, and probably inspires a love and respect for nature more than Bear, but Bear inspires excitement and adventure.
I'm just off out to jump in a freezing river then revive myself by disembowelling a passing sheep and wearing it as a gilet. After then I'm going to use a power-line as a zip-wire. Back later.
ps: don't try this at home kids. Remember all participants in this post are trained, professional stunt artists with skills developed over years of foolhardy buffoonery.
He was at Eton you know.
This will ruin your world.
Hugh Fearnley Whittingstall never actually lived at River Cottage.
He was at Eton, too.
yep, it was the association that put his name in my head.
Jivebunny could make a conspiracy theory from that....
fasthaggis - MemberIt's as if lots and lots of some people struggle with using a TV remote.
it's not as remote as it would have you believe you know
Anyway, the sort of people who are daft enough to be injured by, for example, jumping in a river or climbing up some rocks, would probably be daft enough to do it without watching the programmes.
I thought the one where Bear made a mold of his head using only a microwave oven and some Polyfill was a bit OTT though.
Anyway, the sort of people who are daft enough to be injured by, for example, jumping in a river or climbing up some rocks, would probably be daft enough to do it without watching the programmes.
The thing is that was me, i was the kid that jumped off the Hot Walls in to the sea in Portsmouth, who was a naughty army cadet and joined the Army for real at just shy of 18 to jump out of planes, but on the flipside i also took my coaching qualifications in rugby and MLTB leader as i wanted to pass on those skills.
Kids are impressionable is my point, and we all did daft things as lads, i'd just rather they idolised someone like Danny Macaskill who whilst he does present a highly edited version of events, then will show the unedited mistakes and consequences too, often it is more fun to watch too.
My worry with him, is that he is portraying actions and risk that he is not actually taking,
But for the most part he could actually do what he's portraying. It's just inching up a climb for hours on end doesn't make for good TV.
I see there's a separate bear baiting thread going on ukc right now. Such a lot of botheredness. I'm off to rub some dirt on my cheek and abseil off a frozen raven corpse. It's nice out.
JoB
it's not as remote as it would have you believe you know
I know,I know,roll on the new models that can be wired straight in. 🙂
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But for the most part he could actually do what he's portraying.
Nah, not even on a top rope. Has anyone on a climbing forum posted the grade of that crack yet?
To be fair it's not a technical training video, its entertainment TV and he's carved out a very successful career irrespective of what a select few experts think of him.
As said above, he inspires kids to be more kid like and do adventurous things, it's not like that Peter Duncan chap documented all his failures, risk assessments and film crew involvement on Duncan Dares is it.
FFS that video is old.Joe Cocker was in the prime of life when it was posted on Youtube.
Les Hiddins would drink him under the table.
It's completely moot, as I'll wager Bear Grylls inspires more young people every week than all the nasally-voiced IT-working climbing-expert armchair viewers pointing out the errors in his climbing ability do in a lifetime!
Whilst this is undoubtedly true, being the poster boy for the scouts doesn’t mean he’s not Bell end, and with regards to what the IT chaps think of him, they don’t dislike him anywhere near as much as SF do (I was quite surprised at how much). They really really don’t like him at all and I’m sure he does more for the scouts than they do too.
Bloody Sinn Fein, why so down on our Bear?
San Francisco silly!
JoB - it's not as remote as it would have you believe you know
Chapeau!
"they don’t dislike him anywhere near as much as SF do" https://www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/Bear_Grylls not as funny as the actual threads on arrse but more safe for work.
Les Hiddins!!!
Even more of a Lej than than the Legend of Margate. Bush tucker decades before that dreadful programme with those chaps from Byker Grove.
As for the loose comparisons being drawn between Danny Mac, Leo Houlding and the numb-nuts subject of this thread, whilst I agree all are the product of some nifty editing, viewers would still be enthralled when seeing how it was put together (30 minute BBC Scotland making of DM's The Ridge anyone?). I expect 'The Making of <Bear Grylls Stunt>' would be somewhat of a disappointment as it transpires that he did very little of the antics he was portraying. Mind you he'd probably manage to dramatise the 3 day crappy weather sit-out too.
Chief Scout or no Chief Scout he's still an effin-fraud.
njee20 - Member
I don't understand why people seem to cultivate this weird, burning hatred for media figures. It seems like a waste of energy.People dislike privilege and success, particularly when they perceive "they could do better".
No. Perhaps that's the case for some people but I would suggest the reason people develop an extreme dislike for certain tv programmes, programme types and personalities is due to a rejection of the image that is being sold to them.
Take the tv show [i]"Friends"[/i]. How could anyone hate that? Well what if you objected to a programme that championed vacuous stupidity and self obsessed neurosis which almost single highhandedly introduced the word "like" as a filler or substitute for "such as".
And whether you're talking about Jeremy Clarkson or Jeremy Corbyn the fact that they are on TV as opposed to speaking in public means their voice, and their opinion is amplified many millions of times over that of someone not on tv regardless of whether their words are factually correct and well thought out or just opinionated drivel.
FFS that video is old.Joe Cocker was in the prime of life when it was posted on Youtube.
What do you mean? He's ok yeah?
Whilst this is undoubtedly true, being the poster boy for the scouts doesn’t mean he’s not Bell end, and with regards to what the IT chaps think of him, they don’t dislike him anywhere near as much as SF do (I was quite surprised at how much). They really really don’t like him at all and I’m sure he does more for the scouts than they do too.
I genuinely don't understand what this means. At all. It appears just to be words, with some random capitalisation, or is "Bell End" a person who Bear's been accused of being?
I can understand some antipathy for Bear in the climbing community after he broke his collarbone kite-surfing in Antarctica, and was medevac-ed for somewhere in the region of 200 grand. The following year all BMC travel insurance policies had to go up significantly, apparently with this as one of the most significant factors 😀
I think "hate" is a bit much in most cases, "dislike the persona" or even "disinterested" are generally nearer the mark. Hate should be reserved for the truly odious. My best man would say "I hate David Beckham" whereas what he really meant was that he played for Man Utd rather than Liverpool.
As for "[i]Friends[/i]", I h...
I genuinely don't understand what this means. At all.
Don’t strain yourself petal.
Don’t strain yourself petal.
I won't, don't you worry, I'm way too important to spend time working out the incoherent ramblings of someone with an inferiority complex 😆
I'm with Les Hiddins:
That's Major Les Hiddins, time served veteran, not a part time poster boy. 🙂
All hail Les.
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To be fair it's not a technical training video, its [b]entertainment [/b]
I wonder how the OP feels when the TV chef's produce a pie "they've prepared earlier"
I'm way too important to spend time working out the incoherent ramblings of someone with an inferiority complex
Of course you are sweetheart
We have a customer that prepared all of Delia's "earliers"
Whoever cooked the pie doesn’t matter, but the pie WAS cooked.
He didn’t climb that crack. And that is why he’s a bell.
I bet he's quicker on a bike than all of you haterz. And even if he's not, a bit of nifty editing will sort it out.
Just watched a Danny Mac video, off out now to ride off the roof of next door's garage! Looks mint fun!!!
It annoys me that his stuff is all made up but it's not presented as such.
If it were a fictional character in a story, that would be different.
Maybe you could think of him as a fictional character and he'll stop annoying you.
BadlyWiredDog - MemberI bet he's quicker on a bike than all of you haterz.
Not me, I was taught by Les Hiddins. 😀
It’d be great if he was actually eaten by a bear whilst [s]ars[/s] ursing around.
wrecker - Member
I genuinely don't understand what this means. At all.
Don’t strain yourself petal.
I don’t either. “IT blokes”, possibly, but “SF do”? Nope, not a clue; there’s no context to indicate just wtf SF refers to.
I guess you just had to be there.
I think "hate" is a bit much in most cases, "dislike the persona" or even "disinterested" are generally nearer the mark. Hate should be reserved for the truly odious
This, definitely.
It’s Grylls’ continual macho “me fighting the worst the natural world has to offer” which grates, whereas Mears doesn’t fight, he works with what it has to offer, which I find much more inspiring.
I'm fairly ambivalent about BG but for those struggling with why climbers are bothered here's the rough equivalent in mountain biking terms:
Opening shot is BG running up to the top of the Red Bull Rampage site in Zion National park Utah with a 1998 Marin Nail Trail on his shoulder leaping like a young gazelle from dusty gully to cliff edge.
Next shot he talks to camera whilst sitting on his bike at the top about how he just likes to get out and challenge himself on a ride - as the camera pans out to reveal the panorama you notice he's using 1.9 Panracer Fire XC tyres [i]and the logos and valves aren't even aligned[/i].
He starts of down the trail - cut to BG doing a superman over the 72ft canyon gap. You don't see the take off and if you know what you're looking for you can just make out the harness and wire that's suspending him from the crane but it's well done particularly as Bear (no helmet, locks billowing in the wind) turns to the camera and gives a cheeky wink.
Finally we see him land (sitting down, rear wheel first - logo and valves still misaligned) and it's obvious to the initiated that both he and the bike are suspended from above but again to the casual viewer looks pretty good.
Your 9 year old nephew tells you that BG is a much better rider than Danny M / Petey / Brendog / insert favourite rider.
Panatacer fire XC pro was a great tyre in its day
I don’t either. “IT blokes”, possibly, but “SF do”? Nope, not a clue; there’s no context to indicate just wtf SF refers to.
I guess you just had to be there.
SF = Special Forces.
Usually used in conversation by people who are desperately hoping that you'll ask "what's SF?" and they can say, all casual like, oh yeah, Sass. And you go, wtf is Sass?!
Y'know, the SAS.
As though they hang around with Sass all the time...
Bear Grylls was in 21 SAS which is the Reserves. He then did some time in the Royal Marines Reserve as well. Although by all accounts he's a very experienced skydiver.
I bet he's quicker on a bike than all of you haterz. And even if he's not, a bit of nifty editing will sort it out.
https://www.itv.com/presscentre/ep1week38/britains-biggest-adventures-bear-grylls
About 10 seconds in on this trailer for a flavour of Bear shredding some top Dales gnar.
IIRC, he was having trouble with the concept that changing gear can make you go faster. 😀
what's SF?
Surely the correct answer to anyone who talks in these terms is to say: 'Sinn Fein? That's brilliant!'