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The only reason she was is because of Tory MP’s trying to be too clever and ‘lending’ their votes to candidates. Except they ****ed up and got their maths wrong. Hardly surprising given it was Grant Shapps who was organising it. It was all engineered to be a run off between Honest Bob and Jimmy Dimly. Kemi was never meant to have been anywhere near the final 2, because the membership would vote for her just like they voted for Truss, when the MPs wanted Rishi.
Silly buggers didn't realise how much of a different game it is with 120 MPs as opposed to 350...
Hilarious.
She’s the Tory Jeremy Corbyn
Heres hoping the Tory’s latest electoral faux pas is as successful as the Corbyn
Jeezus you really are obsessed with Corbyn aren't you...... you can't stop mentioning him. And the comparison is not anywhere as strong as you appear to believe it is.
For a start her MPs are not briefing the press against her and publicly attacking her or accusing her of being racist for being critical of the Israeli apartheid regime.
Kemi Badenoch appears to be enjoying considerable support from her MPs, they did after all select her to be one of two candidates to be put to party members. There won't be any coordinated mass resignations from the shadow cabinet so whatever difficulties she might have to face they certainly won't be that similar to Corbyn's.
Edit : Btw since you appear to be determined to make a comparison with Corbyn the worse general election result Corbyn achieved was 32%. If Kemi Badenoch matches Corbyn's worse general election result in 2029 she will probably end up prime minister.
Good god, considering how absolutely terrible Labour are turning out to be - it's always good to bring up Corbyn and the Tories in every thread going.
The ones in power need all the criticism they can take so the ones not in power don't get in next time.
Jeez.
Good god, considering how absolutely terrible Labour are turning out to be - it's always good to bring up Corbyn and the Tories in every thread going to deflect from the abomination that is the current government.
The ones in power need all the criticism they can take so the ones not in power don't get in next time.
Jeez.
I dislike her because she seems like an utterly vile human being, with no redeeming features whatsoever. She makes Suella Braverman look like a well-rounded and moderate centrist
That's because this year's Tories are next years centrists. Labour were bragging on how well they've done kicking folk out of the country recently on one of their shite banners
Yep that's how it works.
Well the bromance and cosy relationship at the heart of the Cameron-Clegg coalition government doesn't look likely to be replicated in any possible 2029 Badenoch-Farage coalition government.
Who would have thought that Nigel Farage might struggle to get on with a black female politician? Although to be fair Nick Clegg's LibDems never posed an existential threat to the Tories in the way that Nigel Farage's Reform UK do.
I wonder if sufficient animosity might exist between the two to allow for a Labour minority government post 2029? Very early days yet obviously but I can't see anything other than increasing rivalry between the two over the next 4 years. Unless support for Reform UK collapses, which seems unlikely, I don't see the Tories being in a position to dominate Reform UK in the way that Tories were able to dominate the LibDems.
I'd love to see him carry out that threat and lose. He's lied about everything else, the lies need to be exposed and there's a certain delicious irony if it was BadEnoch who led that particular charge.
I agree but the Sky News article seems to suggest that the Reform UK membership claims stack up.
I wouldn't worry too much, lots of people are members of a gym, but in reality can't be arsed.
Labour could be just as vulnerable to Reform as the Tories by the time of the next GE
Unfortunately this is absolutely true.
Many 'traditional' Labour voters in Labour's traditional heartlands, are also deep seated racists and xenophobic. That's why that 'left' vote ends up voting for a very right wing bunch, whether called the National Front or BNP or UKIP or Reform or whatever name comes next (same nasty ****s).
And in the Tory shires, t
Labour or Lib Dem candidates got in mainly by Reform splitting the Tory vote to a far larger extent than Lanbour and Lib Dems did to theirs. My own constituency of Mid Derbyshire- got a Labour MP this time - the 1st time in my near-40-years of voting that my vote at a GE made a difference. This area is a deep blue safe seat. But the main reason is the Tories lost it was Reform split away a huge part of the Tory vote. (Labour won by about 4000 votes, but Reform took 8000+ votes - those 8000 would surely be Tory otherwise. Every previous result since 2010 was a Tory win by around 12,000.
lots of people are members of a gym, but in reality can’t be arsed.
I am not sure how much effort it requires to be a racist bigot on a cold winter's evening.
The point is that even the membership fees from non-attendees help to sustain gyms.
And at 25 quid a punt that's a lot of money for Nigel Farage to invest in sowing division and hatred.
https://www.reformparty.uk/counter
A good article here :
Kemi Badenoch needs to pick her battles - and decide how dirty she wants to get
The Reform UK leader has spent the thick end of three decades dragging his political opponents into fights that ultimately benefit his cause. This is no different.
What would have been a relatively low-key Christmas stunt has been elevated into literal front page news.
Reform UK insiders say that, in turn, is driving more people to the party and pushing up their member count further.
Part of this is down to news editors grabbing on to any bit of politics that's around during the quiet period between Christmas and New Year.
Kemi Badanoch will avoid a fight like I’ll avoid a pie. She could start an argument in an empty room. It’s literally all she does
Farage knows this and will bait her at every turn, knowing that she can’t help herself. She’ll be wading in, feet first, before her media team can get their heads in their hands, screaming NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
A former Tory spin doctor was on Five Live this afternoon making the comparison with this spat and the 350 million down the side of the Brexit bus. It was a lie but the more the remain campaign drew attention to it, pointing it out as a lie, the more the message stuck in everyone’s head.
It’ll be exactly the same with this. She can’t win. But she’s too arrogant to accept that. She’s politically clueless, about 10% as smart as she thinks she and stands no chance against a savvy political operator like Farage.
Many ‘traditional’ Labour voters in Labour’s traditional heartlands, are also deep seated racists and xenophobic. That’s why that ‘left’ vote ends up voting for a very right wing bunch,
The problem has always been that we think of "Left" and "Right" as being at opposite ends of a straight continuum.
Always thought that it was actually a circle, with a fair bit of overlap where far Left and far Right meet.
Just imagine how different the UK might be if that plane crash had finished him.
Just imagine how different the UK might be if that plane crash had finished him.
I think it's an error to attribute too much influence to any particular person. Ideas tend to come around when society is ready for them, if it wasn't him it would be someone else.
See also: Musk, Darwin, Thatcher,....
That's not to say we can't do a little better or a little worse. But I doubt we'd all suddenly be living in peaceful harmony. The AFD, Putin and Trump aren't creations of Farage, to pick three at random. Or if you think of the UK alone, there were already plenty of headbangers in the tory party, not to mention chancers like Johnson.
The Kraken v Medusa - I think they both perished in the end.
I fully expect that if over half the population does not live in a mansion and have a Ferrari and Aston Martin SUV sat on the driveway in 4 years time they'll be looking around at these two and thinking 'its got to be better hasn't it?'
The AFD, Putin and Trump aren’t creations of Farage
But Putin has created Trum & Farage plus assisted/created the other.
I fully expect that if over half the population does not live in a mansion and have a Ferrari and Aston Martin SUV sat on the driveway in 4 years time they’ll be looking around at these two and thinking ‘its got to be better hasn’t it?’
Very true., They still face the same problem as last time though. They’re still chasing the same vote and splitting it. Anyone who has a socially liberal bone in their body won’t vote for either, as Ed Davey found out as he welcomed them with open arms.
There won’t be any coalition either. Farage (and this is a one man ‘party’) absolutely despises the Tories since what he sees as Johnson’s betrayal of whatever deal they brokered for him to stand down his troops in 2019.
Farage’s goal is to replace the Tories as the party of the right, not establish some working arrangements with them. And he believes it’s possible. He may well be right.
Unfortunately for the Tories they now have Kemikazi at the helm, who’s a brawler, isn’t very bright, won’t take advice and will play straight into Nige’s hands every time. I very much doubt she’ll ever lead the Tory party into a general election.
If Nigel Farage had hypnotic powers over voters it would not have taken him 8 attempts to become a Westminster MP.
In fact his unpopularity is a metric used to express the unpopularity of other politicians :
Keir Starmer now as unpopular as Nigel Farage
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/50648-keir-starmer-now-as-unpopular-as-nigel-farage
If in 4 years time Nigel Farage does manage to secure one of the great offices of state it won't be a reflection of his personal popularity with voters but a reflection of the unpopularity and failings of established parties.
Neither do his own MPs. It’s a one man show, same as the Brexit party and UKIP before it. It’s not a political party anyway, it’s a private company entirely owned by Mr N Farage.
Maybe you get a nice shiney badge with your membership that you get to wear to the pub?
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I fully expect that if over half the population does not live in a mansion and have a Ferrari and Aston Martin SUV sat on the driveway in 4 years time they’ll be looking around at these two and thinking ‘its got to be better hasn’t it?’
It's just a matter of who you blame.
In my life it's been the fault of coloured people , the Irish,people on benefits, the EU , boat people, pretty soon all that will be left to blame is people who don't play golf.
Having a massive public spat, including legal threats, about something as trivial as the number of members you have hardly makes either look like serious politicians.
They must be laughing their tits off at Labour HQ. They’ve not had much to smile about of late, so I’m sure they’re more than happy to see their opponents get stuck into each other
Maybe you get a nice shiney badge with your membership that you get to wear to the pub?
Not a patch on this
Well you got the colours right. Farge does like his red and white on a predominently black background, which as a colour palette are a bit, well.... you know....
https://Twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1872718913915764816
Well you got the colours right. Farge does like his red and white on a predominently black background, which as a colour palette are a bit, well…. you know….
Man U ?
Nah... As man as fickle as him? He'd have switched his alleigence to Citeh years ago 😉
Badenochs ability to pick fights is quite impressive
I can see her being replaced sooner than even I expected , Jenrick to launch a leadership bid under the guise if leaving the ECHR campaign by Easter?
In my life it’s been the fault of coloured people , the Irish,people on benefits, the EU , boat people, pretty soon all that will be left to blame is people who don’t play golf.
Cyclists. Dog owners.
There won’t be any coalition either. Farage (and this is a one man ‘party’) absolutely despises the Tories since what he sees as Johnson’s betrayal of whatever deal they brokered for him to stand down his troops in 2019.
It runs deeper than that, as a younger, Thatcherite commodities trader Fatage discovered that there was a bit of a glass ceiling for those that hadn't attended Eton or Oxford.
He was never quite their sort of chap.
These days the tables are turned and the Tories would dearly love to integrate Farage's base of support, they've been trying to ape him for the last decade, but it's just not working.
Badenoch is the ideal Tory leader for Nige, inept, vain and thinks she can Out-Farage, Farage. He could well steal more of the faithful from under her, seal her demise and maybe even begin making moves towards the Tory takeover that some speculate is his ultimate goal...
I think you're bang on there fella. Aping Farage was never going to work, but those presently at the helm of the Tory party are still too dim to see that. They're in a scrap they can't win and will continue to hemorrhage votes if they carry on down this road, as their own core vote literaly dies
Twitter, despite mainly being a far right cesspit nowadays, can still occcassionally be quite amusing when something like this crops up.
My favourite comment this morning, which sums her up perfectly:
Kemi Badenoch is leading the Tory Party in a style that is reminiscent of a candidate that is about to get fired on The Apprentice.
Aping Farage was never going to work, but those presently at the helm of the Tory party are still too dim to see that. They’re in a scrap they can’t win and will continue to hemorrhage votes if they carry on down this road, as their own core vote literaly dies
You could say much the same about Labour - anti immigrant rhetoric, benefit scroungers rhetoric chasing tory / reform votes
You could say much the same about Labour
Really? If you honestly think that the labour party is presently wrestling in the same far-right cesspool as Reform and the present Tory leadership, you need to have a serious word with yourself.
They are chasing the same votes with the same rhetoric. disgusting. Obviously not as far but they are also allowing farage to set the agenda. If you cannot see that you need to open your other eye. ~the same argument applies - by aping Farage they are giving him credibility. Multiple anti immigrants and benefit scrounger statements aping farage
The idea that the Tories and Reform UK couldn't form a coalition government is a strange one and I suspect probably based more on wishful thinking than reality.
No one can predict with any certainty political developments but I would have thought that if the current opinion poll findings were replicated in a general election that a Tory-Reform UK coalition government would be highly likely.
The alternative scenarios based on current figures certainly seem less plausible. Firstly any single party minority government, Labour, Tory, or Reform UK, would simply be unable to function and would be faced with a huge Parliamentary opposition.
And secondly no matter how much Nigel Farage might possibly hate the Tories refusing to form a coalition with them on that basis suggests that he might have some sort of principles (highly unlikely) and that he cannot be seduced by the offer of a ministerial car (also highly unlikely)
Obviously I would expect a Tory-Reform UK coalition government to be racked with huge problems and intense infighting but that isn't a reason to assume that it can't happen. The Tories managed almost 5 years of government despite huge problems and intense infighting.
I agree with you that we really are entering a new political era in this country Ernesto. Its. a distinct possibility IMHO that you could end up with Labour and the Tories on just above 20% of the vote and Reform and the Lib Dems not far behind them. A genuine 4 way split. How that would play out in the number of seats for all the parties in our FPTP system is anyones guess, but I agree that we may well have seen the last of governments with a large overall majority.
It seems madness to me, given that and the possible need for future coalition allies, that Badanoch has decided to start a war with Farage, the only beneficieries of which are likely to be... *checks notes*.... everyone else other than the Tories.
She really is clueless
What is incorrect about what I said Binners? Are you really denying that there has been anti immigrant, anti benefit scounger statements coming from Labour?: do I have to quote them?
You may believe its a tactical necessity to keep the "red wall" onside but you cannot deny it is happening
Just take it to the other thread will you Uncle Jezza, theres a good chap.
How about giving the patronising shite a festive season's break and trying to maintain a rare level of decorum on a political thread?
So When you slate Badenoch for aping Farage and criticizing her for it but I cannot say the same about Labour when they are doing exactly the same ( albeit to a lessor extent)
You rightly point out that all it does is give Farage credence. But somehow Labour are immune from the same criticism? OK
And the award for the most tedious image posted goes to……………………….
But somehow Labour are immune from the same criticism?
Of course they are not - he is firmly nailed to Starmers mast