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Right I started "Shotokan" Karate just over ago year now, graded a few times, the latest one being today.

Whilst I enjoy it; the fitness gain, going to class with my son and our small family style club, I would like a more hands on sparring oriented session now and again to test what you learn.

So what style should I take up in addition to the Shotokan?


 
Posted : 21/03/2010 10:12 pm
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Mma.


 
Posted : 21/03/2010 10:14 pm
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Ask your instructor to include more sparring in the sessions. Depending on your level of experience, occasional visits to a different system can be counter-productive and may not complement the techniques you are learning. I personally would recommend a certain level of proficiency in one style, say 1st Dan, before exploring other avenues.

If you do want to take up something more dynamic then possibly Ju Jutsu or Muay Thai.


 
Posted : 21/03/2010 10:25 pm
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I agree with Coyote. Our association has monthly squad training sessions where you can do semi or full contact for a couple of hours. It may be worth spaeking to your instructor to see if there is interest in the club for dedicated sessions, or alternate your regular classes so you spar more every other week.


 
Posted : 21/03/2010 10:34 pm
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Thai boxing; no frills, just purely practical fighting.


 
Posted : 22/03/2010 12:42 am
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I did karate(kyokushin) when I was in school.

Synchronised fighting that looks good with set pieces is the best way to describe it. I prefered boxing. More practical and fitness gained is 2nd to no other sport I can think of.


 
Posted : 22/03/2010 1:24 am
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wing tsun, i have trained for a few years. its great! you have to practise on each other but its as soft or as hard as you want. i trained with also a big guy and we worked together so real good friends.

we'd both pad up and beat each other where under padding we both were bruised.

but also had other who just pretended so its up to yourselves which i liked.

ju jitsu or brazilian is by far the nicest martial art without looking like your just going at someone with elbows and knees.


 
Posted : 22/03/2010 7:37 am
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if you get in a real fight then elbows and knees is where its at....


 
Posted : 22/03/2010 9:02 am
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I've been doing Taekwon Do with my lad about a year and a half, we do a lot of sparring, with pads of course. In class it's quite full on, the senior belts take no prisioners!
We've done some competitions and these are supposed to be no contact, points being lost for excessive contact. All good fun though.


 
Posted : 22/03/2010 9:54 am
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These threads always just end up with people suggesting the martial art that they currently study.
What is much more important is the quality of the teaching and the school. You could have an MMA school that is taught by a chimp/thug and a boxing school that is taught by Mickey Goldmill or vice versa.

Dont try to pick a style - pick a school that is of high quality.


 
Posted : 22/03/2010 10:18 am
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I've already asked and the association I'm with doesn't hold any competitions or sparring sessions at the moment, apparently they did in the past.

I think Thai Boxing or maybe Boxing might be worth a try, I guess some of the stances & balance that I know should be at least a little useful...


 
Posted : 22/03/2010 10:19 am
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Walk up to someone in the pub and pick a fight.


 
Posted : 22/03/2010 10:38 am
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Its unlikely many of your stances will be useful to be honest.

I expect you'll be surprised by how immobile you'll be if you use them.

There is a marked difference between martial arts and a fighting arts IMO. Set piece drills are pretty useless outside of the environs of the DoJo.


 
Posted : 22/03/2010 1:06 pm
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One of my mates instructs in Kenpo - might be worth investigating


 
Posted : 22/03/2010 1:27 pm
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Damn, well the base fitness gained should help then ๐Ÿ™‚

I guess that's why I fancy learning a fighting art though, as I say I enjoy Karate for what I get out of it but want some practical training also.


 
Posted : 22/03/2010 1:27 pm
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Sounds like the right attitude to me!


 
Posted : 22/03/2010 5:20 pm
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my hubby been teaching wing chun for 20 years... lots of sparring, chi sau, close contact fghting- Bruce Lee street fighting..


 
Posted : 22/03/2010 5:25 pm
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Elaine - where's your husband based? I work with a top wing chun sifu. Looks brutal.


 
Posted : 22/03/2010 5:32 pm
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I have done a few styles and didn't like Shotakan - the long stances aren't for me. I switched to a style that suited me better and had a lot of sparing which I found more fun than kata which I disliked. Tai Kwon Do was quite fun as full contact but didn't seem a very useful real-world fighting style as focused on kicks to the body and head. For me it boiled down to the most fun and I enjoyed kicking/punching sparing far more than grappling and throws even though I reckon Judo and Jujitsu are probably of more use than the kicking/punching styles.


 
Posted : 22/03/2010 5:44 pm
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My top votes would be Krav Maga, then MMA, boxing and Thai boxing (more focussed on single combat), then Kali (lethal but can take time to be useful and JKD.

JKD has kind of been superceeded these days IMO.


 
Posted : 22/03/2010 9:48 pm
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I quite fancy a new martial art. To be honest, I'm not interested in waiting for the grand master to turn up and grade me, bowing, patterns, counting in foreign languages or any of that business. I just want to do a bit of fighting, but also avoid ju-jitsu style ruining yourself by training too hard.


 
Posted : 22/03/2010 10:08 pm
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if you get in a real fight then elbows and knees is where its at....

No. If you get into a real fight get right up close (he might be a competent and heavy puncher)- gouge/rabbit punch his throat, twist/punch/knee him in his crotch, headbutt or punch his nose as much as possible/get blood into his eyes so he cant see.

If hes got your arm twisted- bite him in the groin or thigh.

Don't **** around.

Martial Arts isnt about defence, its about fitness, discipline and enjoyment. Don't muck around thinking sparring is going to defend you in a real situation.

Sorry.


 
Posted : 22/03/2010 10:17 pm
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A mate did the army hand to hand combat stuff when he was in the OTC. That's vicious and effective...


 
Posted : 22/03/2010 10:20 pm
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Agree with one of the poster above about the quality of teaching.If you want to go down the brazilian jui jitsu route look out for a gracie barra school and you wont go far wrong.Krav maga looks good from a self defence point of view.[theres some quite nasty and underhand moves :twisted:]


 
Posted : 22/03/2010 10:40 pm
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I fancy Wing Tsun, didn't find any clubs near me tho ๐Ÿ™


 
Posted : 22/03/2010 11:22 pm
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ah bless hora. did you read all that in mens health....


 
Posted : 23/03/2010 12:01 am
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No. If you get into a real fight get right up close (he might be a competent and heavy puncher)

You will not be able to "get up close" to any serious martial artist, they will read your intention + it will be over.


 
Posted : 23/03/2010 12:24 am
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No. If you get into a real fight get right up close (he might be a competent and heavy puncher)- gouge/rabbit punch his throat, twist/punch/knee him in his crotch, headbutt or punch his nose as much as possible/get blood into his eyes so he cant see.

If hes got your arm twisted- bite him in the groin or thigh.

Don't **** around.

Martial Arts isnt about defence, its about fitness, discipline and enjoyment. Don't muck around thinking sparring is going to defend you in a real situation.

Sorry.

Absolute horseshit. Have you ever studied any martial art, or did you get your info from watching the first bit of Karate Kid when you were at school?


 
Posted : 23/03/2010 12:44 am
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I've done muay thai for a few years now. Depending on your instructor the training can be catered towards a more "street" approach. I have to say thai is amazing! hurts like hell sometimes though ๐Ÿ˜•


 
Posted : 23/03/2010 3:22 am
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krav maga


 
Posted : 23/03/2010 5:59 am
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Absolute horseshit. Have you ever studied any martial art, or did you get your info from watching the first bit of Karate Kid when you were at school?

Martial Arts doesn't strengthen your chin. Anyone of decent strength can punch you on the button. Swinging your legs means **** all if your inside and onto someone.

or did you get your info from watching the first bit of Karate Kid when you were at school

I did Tang Soo Do and Wado Ryu (traditional) for 9yrs. I had tried out Taekwondo, Mui Thai and Aikido.

If I was to take up a Martial Art again it would be Aikido.

You shouldn't take a Martial Art up for defence. We have a Police Force and you never know who you are up against or what an utter nutter they could be. Do it for fun, discipline and fitness.

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Posted : 23/03/2010 8:59 am
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I did Tang Soo Do and Wado Ryu (traditional) for 9yrs.

...and in 9 years all you learnt was how to swing a leg?

Swinging your legs means **** all if your inside and onto someone


 
Posted : 23/03/2010 9:02 am
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All this kicking and punching is nice for the films, but...


 
Posted : 23/03/2010 9:07 am
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Barry Bethel you like the wearing the Pajamas bit dont you? ๐Ÿ˜‰


 
Posted : 23/03/2010 9:12 am
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I must admit, I [i]do[/i] mainly do it for the pyjamas.


 
Posted : 23/03/2010 9:21 am
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You will not be able to "get up close" to any serious martial artist, they will read your intention + it will be over.

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahaaha!

If they have optimum space to move around un-obstructed. In reality, when you have to use it this won't be the case.

Hora is kind of on the money IMO, although I think he's getting some of his ranges confused. Elbows are pretty handy, even in grapple range. Knee's less so. TBH, I'd only use skip knee's when grappling up. most knees are to telegraphic.

As he points out, don't do a martial art for self defence. They train in sterile an controlled conditions. If you want to learn self defence, do Krav Maga, or Boxing and add a side order of sprint training.


 
Posted : 23/03/2010 11:00 am
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Barry : my hubby teaches right here in the 'home of Singletrack'...sunny Todmorden.... hes prob the best around here for miles..lol


 
Posted : 23/03/2010 11:06 am
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Funny how in Wado Ryu we were taught extensively on elbow but in sparring it was a big no no 8)

and add a side order of sprint training.

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Still thinking about it but I would take my lad along to boxing training when hes abit older.


 
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HORA yoa are sooo wrong, what martial arts can and does do, as well as teaching you some very effective techniques, is improve your reaction times in a fight situation, as things that most people have to think about, a good martial artist does naturally without thinking, this hgives an edge.....


 
Posted : 23/03/2010 11:37 am
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If anyone goes to Martial Arts to learn to fight then that is worrying.

I am a self-confessed mouthy bugger and I will speak my mind/put my foot in it. So you'd think I'd be being smacked all the time. However the last time I had a fight was years ago. A very longtime ago (and that was over innocent friend who had been attacked/beaten up by a gang).

You DONT need to learn how to fight. Everyone leaves school behind.


 
Posted : 23/03/2010 11:47 am
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Elaine - this is the guy I work with...I bet they know each other

[url= http://www.wingchun.co.uk/ ]Shaun Rawcliffe[/url]


 
Posted : 23/03/2010 11:53 am
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..but Martial Arts is an Art in itself..... theres ,much to learn, discipline as well as the fancy techniques... would anyone have told Bruce Lee not to fight ? i dont think so....... close contact fighting teaches you how to block an opponents incoming fist, there are many 'blocking' techniques and 'Chi sau' is a good way of practicing skills .. get a good instructor tho cos there are too many ( 'think they no it all' characters out there, and you may end up being disappointed.........


 
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lol jim is it ? who are you then ? do you work for calderdale c. too then.... lol small world..... yep my hubby is the best all round ! and im not just saying it cos hes my hubby...


 
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oh yep, sorry just spotted your link, yep my hubby trained with shaun many years ago....


 
Posted : 23/03/2010 12:02 pm
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'think they no it all' characters out there, and you may end up being disappointed.........

See my earlier comment. Probably not a great analogy but you have say Steve Peat who is on another level at mountain biking then you have the majority of us who do it for years and years and still end up decidedly 'average'.

Martial Arts should be taken up primarily for discipline, fitness and mental stimulus. Not to fight/defend yourself.

๐Ÿ™‚ (smiley face added incase Elaine's other half beats me up!) ๐Ÿ˜€


 
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