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On R4 - quite interesting. I'm still constantly amazed at the number of people I know in the 2nd decade of the 21st century who seem fixated by having meat product with every meal.
Why are you amazed that some people choose to have meat?
That's not what he said.
I eat meat, though very little red meat, but I wouldn't have a huge problem with giving it up. My 13 year old daughter would be pleased if I did, she's been a vegetarian (and a very strict one at that) since she was 5.
Oh no, THAT debate is going to start isn't it 🙁
Please say it's not....
My missus is vegetarian and I do all the cooking. With a bit of imagination/effort you can make some great vege food, and I only very rarely resort to tofu/quorn etc. I do still generally eat meat when out for a meal or something though.
Just listened to it whilst chopping logs, being a veg of 22+ years (since i got my own place at 19) he's preaching to the converted in me but an interesting listen none the less - i'll check it out later on Iplayer as i missed some of it though.
I'm still [b]constantly amazed [/b]at the number of people I know in the 2nd decade of the 21st century who seem fixated by having meat product with every meal.
Why ?
convert - Member
That's not what he said.
Indeed it isn't. Not reading OP fail.
Other than that, what grum said.
But mmmmmmm.... bacon.....
Haha Ian - that guy's so unintentionally hilarious.
aP, why are you so amazed?
We have a culture of food built around meals with meat. Where/ what would be a cause for change?
Oh, I'm not by any stretch vegetarian, I just choose when I want to eat meat product rather than being so unimaginative to start with meat product as the default constant in every meal.
Funny that some people choose when to have meat too.
Our god given right to eat meat product in every meal dates back less than 70 years. It's a bit like talking about haggis and tartan in Scotland being anything else than Victorian cultural constructs.
What, it's a right now? Going back only 70 years.
This eating meat thing is confusing, no wonder some people choose not to.
Your making me hungry...
I'm off to tescos to get some horse burgers.
With a bit of imagination/effort you can make some great vege food
Dont be daft everyone knows it is nothing but bland as bland can be he says tucking into some vegan banana bread ...YUK tastes like cardboard you wont want any 😉
Our god given right to eat meat product in every meal dates back less than 70 years.
I dunno about a right, but we've been designed for the past 5000 years* / evolved over hundreds of millennia** as omnivores
*god given / **not got given
You'd think the amazement might fade after encountering the characteristic a few times.
Not sure we're designed/evolved enough for meat every day though*, or are we?
*thankfully Tesco's supply chain is.
for thousands of years, man eats meat. In the last hundred years we start taking nutritional advice from a bass player
Not sure we're designed/evolved enough for meat every day though*, or are we?
It doesn't seem to be doing the majority of the western world much harm.
EDIT: And for that matter, Asia, Africa and South America appear to be the places where it's hardest to be vegetarian
The trouble is, every time I hear or see Macca, it brings out a primeval urge to kill something.
zokes your right we seem to have weight well under control with out current diet. Good point well made 😉
FWIW I found Asia pretty easy what with hindus and Buddhists and they had staple [traditional] meals that were veggie
Been a vegetarian for over 45 years (ie most of my life)
Even now in this day and age, there seems to be predominantly two basic reactions when dining out with people for the first time :-
1. ( you can see this written on their faces) - Vegetarian ??? - but he looks so normal ! followed by the furtive surreptitious glances to see if I have cross-eyes or webbed fingers.
2. The Super aplogetic people who stumble over themselves in an effort to make out that they've virtually vegetarian.
I really really couldn't give a damn what anyone else eats - it's entirely upto them !
P.s. I'm actually allergic to red meat & don't like the texture or taste of anything that crawls out of the sea.
So not a 'moral' vegetarian.
Chris
Asia
If we take China out, I'd have thought a fair proportion would be veggie, no?
... don't like the texture or taste of anything that crawls out of the sea.
There's your mistake don't eat anything that crawls out of the sea (turtle, alligator, seal), eat stuff that swims in the sea and is wrenched out in a net or on a hook, they taste much nicer
Dont be daft everyone knows it is nothing but bland as bland can be he says tucking into some vegan banana bread ...YUK tastes like cardboard you wont want any
Note I said vege not vegan. 😉
We are designed to eat meat and veg so I presume nature did that for a good reason. Seems a shame to go against evolution to me.
Nature didn't design us. We adapted. But we were fine just on plants too. Many would argue that our gut and colon haven't quite caught up with our level of meat consumption yet. Another few millennia might see us fine, if we still have the available land to support the intensive farming that will be required.
We are designed to [s]eat meat and veg[/s]walk and run so I presume nature did that for a good reason. Seems a shame to go against evolution to me and ride bikes
FTFY
evolutionary adaptation will mean that over generations, vegetation eyes will start to move to the sides of their heads, like all prey animals. Soon they will gather in herds for protection and the oldest and slowest will be devoured by solo atkinsonsian evolved meat eaters. The future is bleak
aP, why are you so amazed?
We [s]have a culture of food[/s] [b]are a species adapted to eating both meat and veg [s][/b]built around meals with meat.[/s]
FIFY 🙂
to be fair, based on the dental structure we're more adapted to eat fruit and insects.
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You didn't I'm afraid.
meat is tasty and nutritious
and yet they recommend how much fruit and veg we should eat per day and not how much meat
Soon they will gather in herds for protection and the oldest and slowest will be devoured by solo atkinsonsian evolved meat eaters
I think they will have a heart attack before they catch me...its either that or I become wind powered or I am able to produce enough wind to knock them out
Milk production is just as big a cause of cruelty to cattle as meat production, if anybody is motivated by the cruelty issue.
those Beanfeasts produce so much stinky windpower it's unhealthy. Soya is not the way forward!
To be fair, the future is bleaker for meat eaters.
What does that mean DD? meat eaters always have the option of converting to non-meat eating. and the pure and righteous moralising that goes with it.
To be fair, the future is bleaker for meat eaters.
yep they'd have to eat stringy miserable vegetarians 😆
I don't see any moralising from veggies Kevevs. Just meat-eaters getting a bit of siliconosus vaginitis, like yourself.
Milk production is just as big a cause of cruelty to cattle as meat production,
Bollocks.
Meat is delicious. That's a good enough reason to eat it and indeed base every meal around it.
The best thing about this thread is the OP is not a vegetarian but is still getting grief for being a righteous moralising yoghurt knitter for advocating that omnivores don't have to make meat the focal point of every meal. Good for your health, good for your wallet and better for the planet*. Seems like win, win, win to me. But as an ex veggie that selectively eats a bit of meat in his diet I would say that.
* large quantities of generalisation may have been used in this statement.
I like your idea tazzy.
I'm off to fit a spear to my bike. 😀
Always amazes me why anyone would even care what other people choose to eat,unless you're the one picking up the bill for it.............
I agree with emac65 chap, just chill and accept that some people like different things 😀
the pure and righteous moralising that goes with it.
and we are off
Milk production is just as big a cause of cruelty to cattle as meat production,
Bollocks.
and the well reasoned argument of the meat eaters start of
every thread always the same irrate meat eater getting upset at veggies [ who really dont care what you eat] whilst insisting we moralise
OK, that was a bit much. you didn't explain why the future is bleaker for meat eaters though DD
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Bollocks.
No, not really. Spanner McRusty makes a valid enough point which is why the likes of JY can justifiably occupy the higher moral tor than say, a dairy & egg eating veggie. It's just the degree of cruelty involved that's in debate and how cruel one believes it to be is going to vary from individual to individual depending on his or her own moral compass wrt how we view the role of animals on the planet. *
* I'm possibly moralising now, so apologies to Kevevs. 😀
to be fair junky, there are some on silly track who don't need any particular subject matter, they can moralise and get offended and report posts and sulk about pretty much anything... I'm sure they could even turn a "what tyre" thread into an exercise in righteous indignation. 😀
you are all a bit weird really.
how we view the role of animals on the planet.
as a cuddly, fluffy moving buffet lunch neatly wrapped in useful things like fur and skin.
*dons rabbit fur posing pouch whilst munching on a raw seal puppy sandwich*
If vegetarians are that bothered about animal welfare/cruelty why don't they perform the ultimate sacrifice for their cause and kill themselves? (then buried in a recycled cardboard coffinn for fertiliser not burned)
Their very existence no matter how Puritan has an affect on the welfare and environment of animals that their blinkered hypocritical views fails to acknowledge.
Another case of siliconosus vaginitis. It must be spread in the food chain amongst meat eaters.
(then buried in a recycled cardboard coffin for fertiliser not burned)
sorry, that's a waste of resources, bodies would go much better in an Anaerobic digester used to produce bio-gas for energy generation, although to be fair the calorific value of fatty meat eaters would be more useful. 😀
All this reminds me of a joke...
What the difference between a jew and a muslim?
Who gives a shit..
More bacon for me. 😀
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Awaits the ban hammer.
Another case of siliconosus vaginitis
to be fair DD most of the manginas on show, are that uptight no sand would enter. Now you on the other hand are baggier than a wizards sleeve and could fit half a beach in there 😆
Awaits the ban ham[s]mer.[/s]
To be fair tazzy, the amount of hot air you're blowing on this thread alone would heat my house for a week. 😉
Their very existence no matter how Puritan has an affect on the welfare and environment of animals that their blinkered hypocritical views fails to acknowledge.
Blimey, someone got out of bed on the wrong side!
Blimey, someone got out of bed on the wrong side!
Probably sleeps in a hamhock.
*coughs*
Blimey, someone got out of bed on the wrong side!
Every day it seems.
If vegetarians are that bothered about animal welfare/cruelty why don't they perform the ultimate sacrifice for their cause and kill themselves? (then buried in a recycled cardboard coffinn for fertiliser not burned)
Their very existence no matter how Puritan has an affect on the welfare and environment of animals that their blinkered hypocritical views fails to acknowledge.
Yes, because taking things to ludicrous extremes is always a good way to make an argument. The suggestion that unless you lead a totally ethically perfect lifestyle you may as well not care about anything is equally clever and insightful.
To be fair tazzy, the amount of hot air you're blowing on this thread alone would heat my house for a week.
hot air? moi? nah I don't care one way or t'other darling. I'm very much of the "life is too short to get hung up about what others do" persuasion.
EDIt: unless it's an orange 5 rider with gears, in which case they should be used as sausage meat. 😆
ok, I'll dig a hole. It's true that mest eaters always have the option to choose not to eat meat. I have thought hard about it. Loads of those animals hanging about on farms etc waiting to die are there cos we choose to eat them. They would not exist or have a life otherwise. They are not there for recreational purposes. I doubt sheep or cows wouldn't even exist if it was not for humans wanting to munch on them.
The suggestion that unless you lead a totally ethically perfect lifestyle you may as well not care about anything is equally clever and insightful.
Thanks Hun xxx 😳
Well bugger off and talk about tattoos and goths and shit then tazzy. This thread is for uptight moralising only. Blasé fleckers like you ain't welcome. 😛
*blows kiss at DD*
I doubt sheep or cows wouldn't even exist if it was not for humans wanting to munch on them.
if clouded leopards tasted good in a burger, we'd have loads more of them as well. Instead of sponsoring endangered species and getting a fluffy toy we should farm them. be loads of the tasty little blighters in no time at all.
EDIt: unless it's an orange 5 rider with gears, in which case they should be used as sausage meat.
You know, if you're not busy next weekend, we could use one another for sausage meat. 💡
UPTIGHT MORALISING ONLY!! mmmn, clouded leapard meat.
You know, if you're not busy next weekend, we could use one another for sausage meat.
edit: just deleted my comment as i'll get reported and told off by the mods (again) for making remarks that while totally respectable and no more saucy than that of fankie howard seem to upset fine upstanding folks
oh hang on, I said upstanding...s****....
post it Tazzy, go on go on go on...
whatnobeer - Member[i] Milk production is just as big a cause of cruelty to cattle as meat production,[/i]
Bollocks.
Meat is delicious. That's a good enough reason to eat it and indeed base every meal around it.
No, it's true.
Do a bit of research before spouting off.
I'm a meat eater btw.
Personal choice.
Currently having a bit of a rethink about it, but at the moment, I eat meat and use animal products.
The only serious reason why I do so is my own selfishness.
I'd love to be able to come up with something that could justify it, but I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that morally I'm on a very sticky wicket indeed.
Brother and sister in law both work for the Vegitarian Society, but I can't really discuss the issue with them because they just get a bit arsey and judgemental about the whole thing.
These threads should be good because, hopefully we can get a full range of opinions without being offensive to each other.
Not really working this time, is it?
oh hang on, I said upstanding...s****...
...and by upstanding, he means penis.
well, I'm totally open minded about it RS. It's interesting stuff to think about. But, Like you, I like meat.