Have i missed any more resignations?
Nope. We have even had a couple of deresignations where the whips decided to stay.
That said I havent checked the news for 5mins so who knows if this is still right.
quite a few seem to be going for “unt”
It must be nightmare for them. All that pressure resulting in them thinking repeatedly "I must not say Jeremy C..." and so inevitably in the same way people manage to hit the one tree in a field they say it sooner or later.
https://twitter.com/JonathanPieNews/status/1582853235106140160?t=uRBIdJcSLFm9Bm9SNL_o_A&s=19
Jonathan Pie hits the nail onnthe head.
Steve Baker trying to explain this shitshow on Peston is comedy gold.
Nobody actually knows whether it was a confidence vote or it wasn’t.
If it was then then the PM will technically have to lose the whip in the morning as she abstained
Jesus ****ing Christ!
Well all I can say is that I’ve really enjoyed the news and twitter this evening. It’s literally The Thick Of It in real life. I can only imagine what it must be like behind the scenes.
wheelsonfire1
Full Member
On a slight deviation, but amusing, Peston did say the Chancellor’s name in the way a lot of us think! Not very far into the introduction.
I thought I heard that but wasn't sure!😂
Steve Baker trying to explain this shitshow on Peston is comedy gold.
Yeah he was weird to watch, Bakers ability to say contradictory nonsense with such passion is impressive!
What happens next ?
If we end up with Hunt or Sunak as PM the Tory hard right will go into meltdown, if Braverman or even badendoch - jeez might be Baker at this point! - get in, it'll be a bigger car crash than truss
How low can the Tories sink in the polls?
PM will technically have to lose the whip in the morning as she abstained
She did vote, she just forget to tap her pass against the pass reader as she went through the division lobby.
Jeezus give the woman a break, she made a mistake, one tiny mistake - it's been a difficult week for her.
I bet she's thinking being prime minister is bollocks now and not at all what it's cracked out to be.
With all the swearing going on in parliament I expect Lindsay Hoyle was running around like a shit headmaster, hope someone turned to him and said “and you……you can **** right off as well”
What happens next ?
Dunno but I am looking forward to tomorrow.
Liz Truss probably isn't.
she made a mistake, one tiny mistake
Hmmm....
Braverman is making a resignation speech tomorrow (today).
Should be fun.👍
If we end up with Hunt or Sunak as PM the Tory hard right will go into meltdown
I imagine Rishi is presently sat with his feet up by the pool in California, laughing his tits off and thanking the lord that he’s nowhere near this absolute ****ing shitstorm!
I dunno...
You wait years for a political commentator to call a Tory MP a c*** then two come along at once.
Seeing as Jeremy *unt is the virtual prime minister then the least disruptive option (Thinking markets here) would be to coronate him first thing in the morning.
However this is the Tory party we're talking about so expect another round as bickering as what ever dregs of the party that are left throw their hat in the ring, inviting another run on the pound and the further hiking of interest rates etc.
Hunt isnt exactly liked/rated by his fellow tory MPs. He was the first one dropped from the leadership contest so cant really see them getting behind him outside of a short term caretaker role.
Seeing as Jeremy *unt is the virtual prime minister then the least disruptive option (Thinking markets here) would be to coronate him first thing in the morning.
The only solution is an election. It’s pretty much inevitable now. In a democracy when the sitting government collapses it’s the only option. And there’s no doubt now that this govt is collapsing. I reckon Starmer will be PM by Christmas.
The only solution is an election. It’s pretty much inevitable now.
Is there any sort of mechanism to drive an election? Or are we relying on the good will, morality and lost interest of the Tory party to call one?
Number 10 saying it was a confidence vote after all now and mp's that rebelled will be punished! Wtf!?
https://mobile.twitter.com/Peston/status/1582895159775137794
"Number 10 saying it was a confidence vote after all now and mp’s that rebelled will be punished! Wtf!?"
They also said the "advisory referendum" was binding after all . . . they're good at lying.
Is there any sort of mechanism to drive an election? Or are we relying on the good will, morality and lost interest of the Tory party to call one?
Technically the King can dissolve parliament but that is highly unlikely. I can't remember the rules around Starmer calling for a VOC in the govt but I'm sure the govt's majority would ultimately stand in the way of that avenue so yes, we are basically relying on Tories to call for one.
I kinda feel like prince Charles's popularity would enjoy a pretty good bump if he stepped-in and declared the current government as "collapsed", and called for a GE.
Obviously this would set a pretty awful precedent - but just sayin that it probably wouldn't do Charlie's popularity any harm - unless I'm missreading the mood of the nation? But given that he didn't tell Truss to poke-it when they told him he couldn't go to COP27, it seems like any intervention at all is unlikely.
Number 10 saying it was a confidence vote after all now and mp’s that rebelled will be punished! Wtf!?
Makes sense. Very few, if any, Tory MPs rebelled, the Labour amendment was defeated by about 95 votes, far more than the Tory majority in the House of Commons.
If one or two voted with Labour they can be punished. Had it been a huge rebellion then punishing say a hundred Tory MPs would not have been feasible.
When a government is in chaos and not in control they need events to dictate to them what they should do.
The fact that an election won't be held is a perfect demonstration of how undemocratic MPs and parties actually are. It is clear to everyone, especially the government, that the country does not want this government. As democratic people they should accept that and let people make the decision and have what they actually want.
They clearly won't be doing that as holding on to power, against the 'will of the people', is all they are interested in at all costs.
I would think it very difficult for them to remove the whip from even a small number of MPs as if they do suddenly have to go into a GE they really can't risk being seen to have punished people who are seen as 'local', especially if it is over fracking which really is a local issue. Even worse those MPs may defect to another party.
The mess continues, I see a fudge in the near future
The only solution is an election.
The very last option the Tories will go for right now is an election. If they know just one thing, it is an election with polling as it is, in the run up to Christmas; they will be slaughtered.
There will be End Times before that happens.
Very few, if any, Tory MPs rebelled
Forty were AWOL, 39 if you discount Liz. That's quite a big number for a 3 line whip.
If they know just one thing, it is an election with polling as it is, in the run up to Christmas; they will be slaughtered
They'd be lucky to get 100 MPs, at the moment
If love to be wrong but they never call an electron
The very last option the Tories will go for right now is an election. If they know just one thing, it is an election with polling as it is, in the run up to Christmas; they will be slaughtered.There will be End Times before that happens.
This.
They know they'll get absolutely hammered in an election, it'll be like the 1997 Labour landslide only worse!
She could resign.
She could be told to go by the party.
Or she can carry on trying to govern.
It's going to be the last one but it's going to be very messy. She's got no power, no authority, little mandate for her plans and an openly hostile party behind her, all backstabbing each other.
This is the last smash and grab on UK assets now.
The memo seen and tweeted by Beth Rigby and others made it a 'hard 3 line whip with all slips withdrawn'. I'm not a parliamentary expert but my understanding is that a 3 line whip means voting WITH your party - not just 'not against' - and what the hard means is just reinforcement.
Normal sanction for defying a hard 3 line whip would be removal of the whip - effectively expulsion.
[Slips withdrawn means no pairing of votes - the system where if you know you're voting one way and an opponent is going to vote the other neither of you have to turn up as you'd cancel out anyway]
So - to my inexpert read an abstention was a defiance of (schrodingers) whip but I suspect somewhere between the fact they won the vote comfortably, that there was clearly confusion whether the whip was in force or not, and that they didn't vote against, there will be enough wriggle room that they are severely rebuked and no more said.
Another punishment might be that you are no longer considered ministerial material..... but shit, among the ex-ministers and failed ministers they can't be cutting the pool down any further can they!
I'd be interested to see who DID vote NO (with the Gov) despite being in constituencies that are clearly opposed locally. They'll be wiggling that the choice will still be at a local consent level in the end therefore they don't want a ban and leave it to the constituents, but that's a pretty big stick they handed their opponents to beat them with.
But if Thicky, Sorry, I mean Liz! abstained shouldn't she also get the same punishment? They can't punish the other MP's who abstained if she isn't. Isn't this going to be a catch22 for the government? IDS, Bozo and Theresa, Patel and Dorries all abstained. At it seems Bozo, Patel and Dorries may have had a small amount of integrity. But just a small amount.
Interesting to see who did Vote
https://votes.parliament.uk/Votes/Commons/Division/1372#notrecorded
shouldn’t she also get the same punishment?
It was a 3 line whip, then when they realised it was a "cunning" trap laid by Ed "Chaos" Milliband, it wasn't. Now that they won the vote, it was once again; a 3 line whip.
Clear?
Clear?
As mud 😀
I think that just what happened is that the Labour party created a situation whereby the Tories just forced all their MPs to vote for fracking? Something that goes against a clear manifesto promise, and against (I think) the clear will of the public.
Vote against the 3-line whip and get declared persona-non-grata by your party, or vote for it and get called out on it daily in your constituency between now and a GE, at which point you will inevitably lose your job. If they weren't all total turds, I'd feel a bit sorry for them.
I hope this was deliberately engineered by the labour party..... it seems to have worked pretty well
Immigruntz made her forget to vote
Apparently Liz's id card did not work. Maybe sacked already 😂
I’m with batfink,smells a bit of a cunning ploy and wow look at the media it’s generated and the display of utter chaos.
Even with fracking it won’t bring the prices down although it may bring your house down 🙂
IDS, Bozo and Theresa, Patel and Dorries all abstained. At it seems Bozo, Patel and Dorries may have had a small amount of integrity. But just a small amount.
Maybe some of those. But Johnson? He’s just off on his jollies again. A work shy absent father of a politician. That he can still claim to be an MP is a mystery.
What happens with IDS and May? Two former leaders who are still fully involved in parliament. Truss can’t really remove the whip from them, can she? It would really kick off then.
Yup Johnson is on holiday (again) on the Carribbean, not sure which donor paid for it tho
I am sure Private Eye will find out, but he has apparently not done any work since he was forced out, despite staying as an MP. So no abstention, just a "Did not turn up".
Still getting paid I guess
I think that just what happened is that the Labour party created a situation whereby the Tories just forced all their MPs to vote for fracking? Something that goes against a clear manifesto promise, and against (I think) the clear will of the public.
My Scottish Tory MP voted for Fracking in England. This means that even if ALL Scottish MP's voted against Fracking in Scotland, the UK Govt could easily win to Frack here.
Another nail in the Union IMO.
