TJ's evening spelling could be down to typing in a tent in the dark or hitting wrong keys through over-indulgence...
Stella Braverman’s conference speech sounds a bit like a leadership pitch to me amongst the populist sound bites, particularly the last section. so much for lack loyalty she was banging on about against others
Emily Thornbury saw it coming 😂
https://twitter.com/kevinaschofield/status/1574690881843650561?s=21&t=ISON6A9UnU3bmLbDSzOcTQ
From The Spectator's evening update...
The analysis
Is it all over for Truss?Liz Truss is giving her big speech to the Conservative party conference tomorrow morning. I say ‘big’ speech, but we’ve been told it’s actually going to be quite short – 25 minutes, in fact. Many leaders go on for more than an hour when given this chance to address the party faithful, so that’s really short. But the bigger question that’s on everyone’s lips around the Birmingham gathering today isn’t about how long the speech will go on for. It’s about how much longer Truss herself can keep going.
If the Prime Minister and her supporters had hoped that Monday morning’s U-turn on the 45p rate of tax would be the low point of conference, they’ve been proved very wrong. Today has been even worse, with a breakdown in cabinet discipline and rebels openly saying she has just days to rescue things. The cabinet row started this morning with Penny Mordaunt, the Leader of the House, saying she wanted the government to increase benefits in line with inflation. She told Times Radio: ‘I’ve always supported – whether it’s pensions, whether it’s our welfare system – keeping pace with inflation. It makes sense to do so. That’s what I voted for before.’ She’s not the only one, of course: we have a rolling list on Coffee House here. And Mordaunt technically isn’t breaking collective responsibility because the decision has, as Truss keeps saying, not been taken yet. But it was still a sign that discipline within the government has broken down and that MPs across the party feel they can push the Prime Minister whichever way they want (iron is, of course, quite malleable compared to other less politically popular metals).
Then Home Secretary Suella Braverman accused her own colleagues of staging a ‘coup’ against Truss, which is quite strong language from anyone, let alone the holder of the great office of state responsible for law and order. But she broke with the message, too, saying she was ‘very disappointed’ that the 45p rate U-turn had happened. Some of her colleagues, including Levelling Up Secretary Simon Clarke, pointedly agreed with her. Others, such as International Trade Secretary Kemi Badenoch, accused her of using ‘inflammatory’ language.
Other ministers have been taking pot shots at Truss too. At one fringe, trade minister Conor Burns praised his boss, saying: ‘Kemi totally gets that trade needs to move beyond Instagram posts about free trade agreements and needs to actually focus on delivering for companies the support to unleash the potential that the free trade agreements open up.’ Which Instagram-loving former international trade secretary could he possibly be aiming this barb at? Burns supported Truss for leader and had been publicly applying to be her Northern Ireland secretary. Instead, he was moved sideways out of that department and into another minister of state role, which won’t have encouraged warm feelings towards the Prime Minister.
On the backbenches, the mood is even colder. Michael Gove continues with his tour of the fringes and drinks events. Grant Shapps, too, is spending more time in the broadcast studios than he ever did when he was in government. He claimed today that the PM had just ten days left to turn things around, after which MPs will start to mobilise against her. It’s difficult to see how another change of leadership will really help the party. But it’s also difficult to see how the Prime Minister’s speech tomorrow can salvage what has been a historically bad conference for the Conservatives. Indeed, it is very difficult to see how this is going to end in anything other than tears for the Tories.
Rats in a sack; she's toast!
She’s not even in power now.
She can’t even get anything past her own party, never mind the electorate. I think she’s confused the opinions of the 80,000 senile old racists who voted for her with those of the rest of the country
I can’t wait for the conference speech tomorrow
God only knows what totally hatstand shit she’ll announce, to a half empty hall, in that disconcertingly weird way she delivers speeches. None of it will actually happen.
Finished by next week
I'm not saying the Tories are desperate but....
https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1577342061698859018?t=bHxmBGv2tdzt1oudPmdLow&s=09
That's desperation.
And if putin does not explode tactical nuclear weapon?
Why not answer the question? Ah, you can't
(no spelling mistake).
Personally I still want Truss to stay as PM for as long as possible but only in her new and improved impotent form, hamstrung by her own MP's.
Maximum damage to her party, minimum to the country.👍
I’m not saying the Tories are desperate but….
They are currently desperate to prove to the public they actually care for the people, and not just big business.
This was exemplified by Douglas Ross(leader of the Scottish tories) today on camera saying that they should supporting the most vulnerable in our society.
😯
My immediate thought was he was having a complete mental breakdown on camera.
"they choose to top up their salaries with tax credits"
Employers choose to top up people's salaries with tax credits, with help from their mates the government. Employees want to be paid a living wage rather than working full time in a proper job and still being dependent on benefits. She's so nearly right but she's decided to be 100% wrong and attack the victims instead of the culprits, because she's ****ing awful even by the standards of modern tories
Click for full Danny Dyer rant
https://twitter.com/dickidot09/status/1577371555012689926?s=61&t=rJAxr4rhsP4AvDjGZIU-Tw
Anyone else on groundhog day, I used to open the Johnson thread hoping to hear he had gone, doing the same on this thread now.
Regarding the wages / benefits issue, I don't blame claimants or employers really. It's down to government policy. They let the basic cost of living outstrip the value of labour for basic jobs. This is driven primarily by the housing market which successive governments seem to think ever increasing prices is a good thing. Second is the cost of basics, in this case caused by general fiscal ineptitude and BREXIT, BREXIT, BREXIT. Third issue is energy prices, by utterly failing to get us away from market driven fossil fuels and not moving to home grown renewables a long time ago.
All three things were foreseeable and avoidable and at least 2, house prices and fuel costs were obvious 20 years ago.
The government has also made the choice to address this by meagre top ups with benefits rather than setting a realistic minimum wage. Trouble though with increasing the minimum wage is as it increases it encompasses more roles traditionally paid higher so it's not just about increasing the base wages but means increasing many more up the scale to keep a distinction between jobs that require more skill / commitment.
Anyway bottom line is governments have failed to control cost of living which now means decent basic wages arent justified by the economic output they generate. If the government did significantly increase the minimum wage there would be a lot of jobs that would just go.
It's all getting a bit Sainsbury's Deli counter. Take a ticket and wait to be called for your turn at being the Tory leader.
When Danny Dyer is the voice of reason, bloody hell....
Truss has spectacularly exceeded my expectations
Tories reputation trashed and collapsed in the polls
Shown such lack of political nous she has effecivly split the party
Shown such weakness that getting policies enacted is going to be very difficult
Is everyone looking forward to Lizzies big speech?
It sounds like far from trying to unify the splits in the party and calm 'the market', she's going to double down and further inflame things by slowly mansplaining, in that most patronising tone imaginable of hers, how the problem is that we all simply don't understand her genius yet.
The pre-trotted out line is that all this chaos is *adopts best Fatcha voice*... a 'price worth paying' for economic growth in the long term
I'm quite looking forward to watching the Torys remaining polling figures going through the floor in real time
Cleverclogs Cleverley is presently on Radio 4 'rolling the pitch' saying that everything is actually hunky dory and it is all going as exactly as planned
LA LA LAAAAAA... WE'RE NOT LISTENING!!!!!!
Hiya,
Get an armchair to watch this one out. All the lies and BS the Conservatives have sprouted is coming home to roost. We watching the unfolding civil war I think. I read yesterday that JRM own constituents are not happy about the shale gas plan near us, we are neighbouring his constituency in North Somerset. I notice Lame Fox is rather quiet these days, probably hoping no one will remember he is a conservative too..
The longer they stay in the worst it will get for them, who knows some may cross the floor to retain their jobs others will support a VONC.
JeZ
Is everyone looking forward to Lizzies big speech?
Yes, I am also particularly looking forward to seeing this thread going into mass hyperventilation during and immediately after her speech.
Especially your contributions binners. Have you got all your material ready?
I await you eagerly leaping to her defence comrade 😀
You're gonna be disappointed mate. Although I don't think I will be.
Statler and Waldorf are in da house!
I reckon there are a few dozen Statlers and Waldorfs on this thread. Looking forward to the entertainment value after Truss's speech.
I reckon she knows it will be over analysed so itll be short and soundbite friendly
The bigger headache for them will be rustling up enough people to fill the seats
some great pictures out of this conf already
Do we reckon even all of her cabinet will be there?
Anyone else on groundhog day, I used to open the Johnson thread hoping to hear he had gone, doing the same on this thread now.
With Johnson I had the hope things might get better though. I'm totally despondant now. I can't see a general election being likely, nor can I see it being a quick and easy process if the tories do decide to replace Truss. Moreover, I can't see anyone better than Truss taking up the mantle. The country is desperate for leadership and we are in complete paralysis.
Lets be honest country has been in paralysis since 2016
I can’t see a general election being likely, nor can I see it being a quick and easy process if the tories do decide to replace Truss.
The most depressing thing I've read today is this:
However, former Brexit Secretary David Davis, who has been a strong critic of Ms Truss, said the idea of getting rid of her before the next election was "fantasy".
I take what David Davis says seriously as despite being generally considered to be on the right of the party he is a fairly independent thinker whose opinions tends to be more evidence based than many Tories.
Presumably great news for Labour though.
When comes to determining what is fantasy, and what is realistic, he’s the last person I’d turn to.
which 90s band will actually let Truss use their music?!?!
https://twitter.com/ChrisMasonBBC/status/1577561847913381888
Right Said Fred?
M-people - Moving on up - please make it so.
What David Davis said about the asylum seekers being sent to Rwanda policy was the most sensible of any senior Tory politician that I am aware of.
As a right-winger you might well have expected him to support it but he has been an outspoken critic of it, denouncing it as inhumane, pointless, and complete waste of money.
Which suggests that he is prepared to consider reality over fantasy. Many Tories are fully aware that they are relying on fantasies which they themselves don't believe.
Smack my Bitch Up?
e's are good ebeneezer goode
I think Binners is getting us closer… Firestarter?
Twisted fire starter
Things Can Only Get Better?
We didn't start the fire.
Gimme The Loot?
Burning down the house
Tubthumping - Chumbawumba
Break stuff - Limp Bizkit
You get what you give.
Would I Lie to you
If the government did significantly increase the minimum wage there would be a lot of jobs that would just go.
Keeps being said by successive tory governments, and yet those jobs were here when the £1 was worth $2, and are still here when the £1 is worth $1.1 and the real value of that minimum wage has crumbled. If it was actually base in some sort of evidence that it was internationally competitive then it would be a lot higher.
Charlie would be appropriate for Kwasi "the Octonaut" kwarteng judging by the state of him at QE2's funeral
