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#MisTrustMsTruss
Sorry, open goal.
Doubly sorry if it’s already been done.
A £40-£100bn price freeze to January ‘23 or ‘24 is being reported, albeit from borrowing. Let’s see if she pulls that off.
Just for the record.. i hate the Tories on a level that negatively impacts my mental health, i live among the walking dead in Rishis constituency….
I reserve my real loathing for those that vote for them.
I too live in a Tory constituency, but based on the utterings I hear (via my Mum from her aged friends), I'm not sure that it's a 'shoe-in' at the next GE. Although the demographics probably mean that Lamont will scrape in...
We are about to find out how much Sunak left on the money tree,and how much can be thrown away.
But this is the issue, as much as her politics or skills as a politician.
If we thought May or Johnson were taking the poisoned chalice, she's got an even bigger set of issues.
She's inheriting a basket case of of issues and economics. She's got a divided party, a broken political system, a broken relationship with the 4 nations and a global situation that's akin to lobbing turds coated in petrol at the situation.
If she is a skilled politician who can see the bigger picture, have some integrity and show a vision of the future that more people can get behind, she's got an uphill and fighting chance.
But she has demonstrated none of those qualities in her career so far, least of all in the campaign of the last few weeks.
The big spend from Truss for energy was always coming - whilst certain posters were whinging on about 'uncosted' impossible tax cuts weeks ago a few of us were saying the Tories will have to spend big to survive.
We said the precedent was there with Covid on how to fix economic issues with government spending.
Once again - Truss has been underestimated by lots of people. They formed an opinion based on sound bites.
The idea that she's thick and stupid is ridiculous. She knows what's she's doing at least short term.
I'm not saying she will deliver everything successfully and it will be a Tory shit-show long term but she was always bound to take up power and enact some left-wing solutions - because that's all there is. And she will make sure it beats Starmer's plan. It's a 2 for 1.
Let's see the detail first though as it will be ring-fenced with neoliberal caveats.
Oh and yet again this will be operated through the lens of MMT without anyone admitting it.
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Boris to the left of me
ERG to the right
Here I am stuck in the middle with you
Oh Christ! Here we go again. As this thread, like every other political thread, becomes ‘that thread’. Derailed, as always, by the Peoples Front of Judea/sixth formers
This is verging on absurd.
There is a clear connection between Truss's decisions and Starmer's future.
Seriously, get a grip.
Do you lot not get this? If you really hate Truss and the tories so much then to get rid them you need to talk about what the opposition needs to do. Or is whining like children on an internet forum about how evil they are enough to distract you from the horror? Grow up FFS.
If Labour are going to win an election then they need to be the subject of conversation, not the tories. And not just on here, but everywhere. The fact that you have nothing to say about labour only illustrates why we will be stuck with the tories
It appears they will never get it.
The idea that she’s thick and stupid is ridiculous. She knows what’s she’s doing at least short term.
Yep, she will actually have someone doing the thinking for her in the backroom, she has to just pick and ride the right horse.
We've seen the government pony up shedloads of money for keeping the wheels on during covid and more importantly them in power.
They will literally spend anything to stay in power, its not about the country its about their grip on it and its not like they will pick up the tab.
I reserve my real loathing for those that vote for them.
Well there is that but there's also the horrendously biased FPTP system that ensures they don't actually need that many votes in order to get into power anyway.
But I refer you to the thread title, this isn’t the place to be discussing Labour when there’s twelvety other threads more suitable.
When have thread titles been that linear you can't talk about related issues?
Actually these threads are utterly boring without some form of counter opinion.
Just using sound bites and photos to describe someone's character is to coin a phrase - as thick as mince in itself.
How intelligent she is is one thing - but how intelligent she appears is arguably more important for her career.
A £40-£100bn price freeze to January ‘23 or ‘24 is being reported, albeit from borrowing. Let’s see if she pulls that off
It will be new money creation backed by Q/E.
So we call it borrowing - but the spend takes place first.
(I could be wrong but can't see how else they would do it.)
They will literally spend anything to stay in power, its not about the country its about their grip on it and its not like they will pick up the tab
Government spending is the correct idea to solve a problem like this. The government owns the BoE so it's always the issued same methodology - never tax payers money.
How they implement though it is another thing.
Let's see.
Also I don't think this speculative solution will get us out of the woods - it will just be a temporary fix that might keep us sailing along for a couple of years or so.
The Tories are not equipped to fix stuff long term.
That's where Starmer should be setting his sights. Go big.
The reported belligerent inflexibility and yet the u-turns and the tea, cheese and pork speeches do not suggest to me one of Westminster's sharpest minds. However if she takes up the price freeze policy she's outwitted the opposition who should've been arguing for the nationalisation of utilities.
Energy-wise and long term it needs to be small scales renewables on a massive scale. Probably with some level of local storage. On the plus side that’s easy to target by socio-economic grouping.
Large scale renewables be cheaper per kilowatt hour generated but you then have the the reliability and distribution issues to address. Getting the power sources close to the user helps address this - and helps keep cash in the energy user’s pocket. Still needs large scale stuff too - just not as much.
But we cannot be too reliant on foreign hydrocarbons (typically from dodgy places).
But that ain’t a short-term fix.
The reported belligerent inflexibility and yet the u-turns and the tea, cheese and pork speeches do not suggest to me one of Westminster’s sharpest minds. However if she takes up the price freeze policy she’s outwitted the opposition who should’ve been arguing for the nationalisation of utilities.
Yep. And that's where my emphasis is - everyone was lauding Starmer for his Robin Hood price cap but the Tories were always keeping one eye on this whilst everyone was calling Truss brainless.
She's clearly all over the shop as she tries to please different groups of people, and situations are dynamic - what we need is for things to settle down about.
She's going to be messy Tory for sure but not before she's done some appeasing and spending. All I'm looking for is some action on the current situation.
If it's not good enough I will be super critical then.
She’s clearly all over the shop as she tries to please different groups of people, and situations are dynamic – what we need is for things to settle down about.
This. I'm still at a loss to work out what she's saying that she actually believes and what she was saying that would help her get elected. There's possibly an element of what her ERG puppet masters are telling her to say as well.
How much of it survives first contact with reality will be another matter altogether!
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We chat, we talk, we laugh and parody them all every day, and guess what they are still there and dont give a hoot about us lot.
Its so drepressing it hurts.
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...living out a fantasy there!
Her "idea" to solve the energy crisis is getting the response it deserves...
https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1567040945572429824?t=zjB9BDJJwKoDzi9xacZkjQ&s=19
Still, why waste another good opportunity to siphon off billions for all your mates. New face, same old Tory corruption.
Energy-wise and long term it needs to be small scales renewables on a massive scale. Probably with some level of local storage.
Slight thread derailment but I got a letter through yesterday from the Liverpool region mayor pushing this.
Her “idea” to solve the energy crisis is getting the response it deserves
He like a lot of folk doesn't understand government spending.
To talk about how the markets react couldn't be a more failed right-wing economic position when the state is trying to solve a massive current problem. (Does he not already realise how bad the 'markets are performing? If he's so concerned by them.)
He's taking the Centrist economic outlook that I would expect when you offer a left-wing bail out.
Centrists can be utter pains with their archaic Thatcherite economics.
Energy-wise and long term it needs to be small scales renewables on a massive scale. Probably with some level of local storage.
And yet just two miles up the road from me people are losing their shit because a large solar farm is planned.
On land you can barely see from any road, and land that would in all likelihood be used for housing in the next 5-10 years otherwise.
I’m sure I heard a touch of thatchers twang in that speech, where she talks deep.
Do you think she’s being having speech lessons to make her sound more like thatcha?
Thatcher famously had extensive speech coaching from someone at the Royal National Theatre to make herself sound both more authorative and less whinny, but I doubt Truss has gone to that extreme.
Good to see the same posters giving a new Tory leader the benefit of the doubt. Only fair I suppose, it’s not like she’s been in government the whole time they’ve been making those of us on lower incomes poorer while filling the pockets of their backers, bribers and contacts.
Energy-wise and long term it needs to be small scales renewables on a massive scale. Probably with some level of local storage.
They could/should write into law tommorow, that ALL new builds have to have solar panels on the roof. No exceptions. Solar panels are cheap, dont contain rare earth elements, dont require any maintenance (other than a wipe down if they get filthy, but cant imagine thats beyond the scope of a windowcleaner).
same goes for grey water or rain water recycling.
The only reason i can imagine that simple efficiencies are not legal requirements, is because messers Taylor, Wimpey and Barratt are good chums with the government.
land that would in all likelihood be used for housing in the next 5-10 years otherwise.
That's not really a bad thing. We need to build a lot more new homes, all of them with solar panels.
**** it, bring back council houses and drop the right to buy.
Good to see the same posters giving a new Tory leader the benefit of the doubt. Only fair I suppose, it’s not like she’s been in government the whole time they’ve been making those of us on lower incomes poorer while filling the pockets of their backers, bribers and contacts.
I think it's the opposite. Too many folk have called her a disaster before she's done a thing as PM.
What's wrong with giving someone a shot - seeing what they do and then take apart?
Seems to be the smart position to me.
(Of course Tories/Neoliberalism will always ruin everything long term. That's built-in.)
But yeah it's STW - hysterics and sound bites get the attention.
bring back council houses and drop the right to buy
And with council houses you could have one system collecting across many rooftops, making it cheaper still.
What’s wrong with giving someone a shot
She’s had a shot. We’ve seen her as a minister. Spending money on increasing her own self importance and profile and doing nothing to help anyone. She doesn’t “get a chance” from me, I want her out as soon as possible, and I want her party kept away from government for a generation. We’ve seen what they do, time for them to go. No fourth chances just because they’ve changed leader again. They have to go.
I think it’s the opposite. Too many folk have called her a disaster before she’s done a thing as PM.
Whilst admittedly there does seem to be a bit of hysteria from some I think it is reasonable not to give her the benefit of the doubt.
She has been in government for years and has had a track record of being useless.
I guess there is an outside chance she will suddenly rise to the occasion and be a great PM but I think its a bit of a slim hope especially given her campaign speeches to date.
She’s had a shot. We’ve seen her as a minister. Spending money on increasing her own self importance and profile and doing nothing to help anyone
Well it's all you've got currently and she's PM. That's not the same.
If she spends money as opposed to all the tax cuts that everyone said was at the top of the list then she's already moved her position to a more sensible place.
That would be a good start.
How you can come to a conclusion it will help no one is unfathomable until details are out.
It's funny but I'm sure you were a proponent of Starmer's price cap. Did he offer that up because it might put him a better position in the polling? So increasing his popularity?
It's not news that politicians do things to appease their voters.
The idea that she’s thick and stupid is ridiculous. She knows what’s she’s doing at least short term.
Honestly, I've no idea whether she is thick or highly intelligent. But one thing she demonstrably is not is quick-witted. Thinking on her feet is not her forté, and that's not a good look in someone representing the entire country.
When have thread titles been that linear you can’t talk about related issues?
Thread drift is natural and usually welcome. Having the same discussion scattered across multiple threads leads to closure as a duplicate (and it's monumentally tedious).
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"£100bn is going to be spent and that would bring in a freeze in energy bills.. till 2024. Labour policy was £28bn for only 6 months.. the Conservatives have outflanked you on this"
Rayner: "no because we cant just keep pouring money in" '
Deary me, Truss is already in front.
She’s had a shot. We’ve seen her as a minister.
Starmer was responsible for Labour's disastrous Brexit policy at the last GE. Are you saying we shouldn't have given him a chance as LOTO?
Thread drift is natural and usually welcome. Having the same discussion scattered across multiple threads leads to closure as a duplicate (and it’s monumentally tedious).
But with respect - it's not, it's discussion about leaders of the parties (and politics generally) in context of the current PM.
In fact I would go one further to compare and contrast political leader's decisions is essential for robust discussion and stay on topic.
Don't you find the over reactions to the topic drift more tedious?
Also it only flares up when there's a point to be made.
Honestly, I’ve no idea whether she is thick or highly intelligent. But one thing she demonstrably is not is quick-witted. Thinking on her feet is not her forté, and that’s not a good look in someone representing the entire country.
Fair point. I would call her from what I've observed 'Dizzy' if I was joining in.
But as a person she's probably got a lot more about her than we know.
Thinking on her feet is not her forté, and that’s not a good look in someone representing the entire country.
This is where we do run into presentation issues vs what we need the PM to do. Outside of "we believe there are incoming nukes. do you want to order Trident to respond?" how important is this good look? Isnt it better to have someone go "let me think about that for a bit"?
I have had a few discussions with PMs/scrum masters etc explaining why its useful to actually be told what needs discussing in advance or alternatively why they might need to wait for a response. I have also when I cant be arsed with that just sprouted some waffle to confuse them.
The latter might appear to be thinking on my feet was it was pure junk which would only impress those incapable of understanding the actual issues.
Rayner: “no because we cant just keep pouring money in” ‘
Deary me, Truss is already in front
Jesus.
Why should Labour want to protect the screwed market economy?
I knew this would be their position if they got outflanked.
Good to see the same posters giving a new Tory leader the benefit of the doubt.
Oh bugger off. No one is giving her the benefit of the doubt, just pointing out the bleeding obvious. She’s not even been in power a day and if reports are correct she’s already proved the people on here wrong that she’s a rightwing ideologue who wouldn’t lift a finger to solve the energy price crisis. What’s more it looks like she’s already outflanked starmer who everyone was calling a saint for his 29bn half measures.
I’m sure her plans won’t be perfect, they’ll help the rich more than the poor and protect profiteering corporates but that’s not really the point. All the voters care about is the number on their bill. And if that doesn’t go up in October she will get the credit and Starmer will be left standing with his dick in the wind again.
i should be proud a fellow ACMA is PM, i'm not.
Devil in the detail of Truss's plan, will it be a loan ala Sunak's plan, or a straight out bailout or a combo of both, will it be different for businesses, for a while year or just 4 months ?
Fact is the Tories wasted the summer when they should have been planning this out
If she keeps her tax cuts , on top of the borrowing then they've got an excuse for more austerity, I don't think that would go down well.
On top of all that I'm still waiting to the personal life scandals to break, I'm guessing those superinjunctions won't last forever
Breaking:
Price freeze for 18 months, to be paid back by consumers over the next 10 to 20 years.
Package for small business to be "more complex".
Ugh delaying is shit.
But by then there will be a different solution.
We won't be paying it back.
