[Closed] Living and working in Paris

Yeah London sucks that's why it's full of Parisians!.

I'm there at the moment. It's like London but the people are even ruder. I can get by in French too

Completely different - much less crowded and expensive. Walking around is a pleasure, there are green areas, quiet areas, and it's fairly easy to get out of the city.I worked there for 2 years and would love to go back.

the people are even ruder.

Not my experience at all - I find people very polite and warm.

I agree with DrJ.

Granted, I have not lived there, but get to France very often, have spent more than just holiday time in Paris, and I speak French.

There are parallels to be drawn with London, but more on an historical and philosophical level. Physically, I would say that the city feels more spacious, while the people are slightly more 'relaxed'.

...Not that I find Londoners 'uptight'; just that the city engenders a greater intensity... if that makes any sense. Anyway, that's all just my opinion, so I could be wrong.

There's Paris and Paris. Live and work in pleasant parts not too far from each other and it's fine. There are some areas I wouldn't want to live or work and others just a km away that are desirable.

I've found London to feel quite claustrophobic, but a more open city sounds good! I don't speak any French at all so I suppose they'll all think I'm an arsehole 😉

How expensive is it to live there? e.g. you hear about how ridiculous rents are in London. Is Paris the same?

The interview is in Paris so I'll try and stay an extra day and check it out.

Here's an idea of what a one-bedroom flat in a desirable part of Paris will cost:

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Edit: I hope you are single, you'll learn the language in no time if you are.

I've been working mid-week in Paris for the last 10 months. I find it soul destroying 90% of the time. For some reason, in a work environment everyone turns into aggressive assholes. I haven't finished a day here yet without feeling frazzled.

However, I don't technically live here. I commute home to Scotland at weekends. So my only experience of Paris is of work. I have been offered a full time job out here, so can bring the family. I am crazy enough to take it, but possibly only due to lack of better alternatives.

You find pleasant corporate cultures and hellish employers wherever you go. I worked with lots of companies as a subcontractor and had one job as a cadre. Experiences varied from "let me outa here" to "another day for a chat with some mates whilst being happily productive".

I am single 😀 Does this mean that French people are friendly, or that they like les Ecossais?

The job would be very well paid, so 2000 EUR a month is easily manageable.

How about living in France in general, compared with the UK. I have a chronic medical condition and rely heavily on the NHS, so getting the same level of care is something I'd worry about.

Thanks for everyone's comments so far, by the way!

Was there for 6 months, loved it. Just go where the French go to eat and it's not expensive. Like anywhere, there's good people and bad, the French cant be arsed to be nice to strangers, but if you arent an arse they'll warm to you. 2000 Euro a month isnt a great salary there.

Lived in Paris 2007-2014, now near Versailles. Wasn't keen on Paris myself due to: noise, beggars, dogshit, tiny flats BUT I was experiencing it with a young family, less mobile, limited entertainment etc. A singleton could amuse themselves immensely I'm sure. As pointed out, €2000/month won't go far here and you may have substantial difficulties getting a rental contract (many of my colleagues have to Photoshop their payslips...). Healthcare won't be a problem. Good luck.

Oh man the bakeries. Brilliant place!

Parisiennes don't make friends easily (polite way of saying they're pretty rude), food is overrated, parking is a nightmare, mind the dog shit (although got better), don't buy a new car as it will be bumped before you know it, take basic toiletries from UK; beers are breathtakingly expensive

Having said that lifestyle is much, much better; wine is brilliant and good value; horse is actually quite tasty; you get proper lunches away from your desk; who needs vegetables, L'Entrecote for simple meal; no need to buy a big or even new car; easy to walk around; Mussee D'Orsay; people are very friendly outside Paris, the SAC at Medun for sport; no need to worry about deodorant or toothpaste 😉

On balance, a very nice place to live!!!

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2000 Euro a month isnt a great salary there.

He means rent, I assume.

Another advantage is that the metro is much cheaper than the tube.

The health service isn't something you should worry about.

Having not spent much time in the UK in the last 30 years my comparisons are out of date and not very helpful - my contact with the UK is STW!

Join clubs corresponding to your interests and you'll soon meet friends, they'll always be someone happy to practice their Scottish English - Scotland is a favourite destination when my friends visit the UK and Scots well thought off. Take up something popular in France such as rock and roll/Salsa dance classes and you'll have a laugh (and maybe more). The French can be quite direct which some people take as rude but it can have advantages, flirting is less subtle for example.

Edit:

don't buy a new car

Buy a new car; second hand are over priced, clocked, not maintained and thrashed. Dacia Sandero TCE90

He means rent, I assume.

Yes I do! Wage on offer is about 3x that and tax free.

Looking forward just to visiting, even if I don't get the job (highly likely 😀 ).

What area is the job?

DCRainmaker does

What area is the job?

Geographical area? A block south of the Eiffel Tower.

Aah - nice - lots of good areas to live nearby!

Yes I do! Wage on offer is about 3x that and tax free.

If you're physically working in France you will probably be liable to pay taxes in France on any income earned, so double-check that. There are some exceptions (diplomats, employees of various European Institutions, ...) Your contract will be subject to French law, social contributions and taxes, generally speaking. Many overseas companies try to ignore this (famously Ryanair, for example) but that is at your (and their) risk.

I've lived in France for close to 20 years and in Paris for about 14. Culturally it's rather different, and as others have suggested employers vary.

Let me know if you want to chat.

I lived and worked in Paris between 1985 and 1987. Here are the good bits:

I'm a big Francophile and fluent in French so I found the French, even the detested Parisians, charming, polite and very correct. Had I not spoken French I'm sure it would have been different because the French are very awkward with foreigners. The food was excellent even in the company canteen. The city is lovely. It's reasonably easy to get out to places like Fontainebleau to climb at weekends. I had a superb flat in Neuilly because my company paid for it.

Here are the bad bits:

Despite liking the French I was incredibly lonely; it's said that over 50% of Parisians live alone because few people can afford more than a tiny one-person studio in what used to be a servants' room in the basement or the attic. The big apartments in the Haussmann boulevards are expensive, difficult to maintain and generally owned by big old French families who seldom sell them. I found the office politics a massive problem as the company was dominated by a mafia from Cannes and Grasse (perfumery business) and they hated me as an interloper from Head Office in London. French people love to lecture you and I found the long lectures on what I should and shouldn't do very tedious. Paris was dirty and smelly then but on more recent visits I've found it even worse, the city is in bad need of money to spend on repairs and refurbishment, the metro stinks of urine and there are graffitti everywhere and we witnessed an unpleasant incident in a station between Police and some Romanians. I'm not surprised there are 500,000 French working in London, which is far cleaner and more user-friendly to young professionals. The healthcare system is excellent but definitely set up to make as much money out of you as possible at the expense of social security and your private insurer. Generally it was a lonely and depressing two years; I didn't explore Paris much because I was depressed and one day I decided I'd had enough, dropped my car keys and credit cards on my boss's desk and walked out, got on a plane and went home. The company folded a couple of years later and the parent company in London a few years after that.

So, go and make the most of it but only if the conditions are right and the office culture isn't stacked against you.

Definitely come and have a look

Yes I do! Wage on offer is about 3x that and tax free.

Posting from Paris ATM, have lived here on and off for about 50% of last 3 years. I am also a big Francophile and am now married to a Parisienne. [b]Drop me an email and we can have a call if you want.[/b]

Your health issue we can discuss if you want, I like the French system with its mix of public and private I am sure your company will take care of the health insurance for you

Pros
You're single 😉
Wonderful city
Cheap to eat out, generally lower cost of living
Easy travel around France via TGV - good road network, 3-5hrs to some great riding - so much to explore
Easy connections back to UK and cheaper flights to holiday destinations (lower airport taxes)

Cons
Jobs less well paid, taxes high (doesn't seem to apply to you !)
Hard to find an apartment - normal contarcts 3 years (wifes family in real estate they can advise) - smaller than you'll be used to probably
No decent mtb near city (best about 50 mins away) most countryside quite flat (road bike ?)
Edit: what @globalti says about office politics is very important (if your colleagues know you're on €6k tax free there could be a lot of hostility)

@orangespy where do you ride ? email in profile (bike in cave unused for 9 monrhs 🙁 )

I used to ride in the forests near Bougival - not perfect, but close enough to where I was living.

@DrJ thanks have had a look up there around St Cloud also Parc St-Germain-en-Leves, Vincennes and Notre Dame in South East - however all a bit flat and gravel tracks. Best seems Parc National Haute Chevreuse (excuse spelling) they run an annual xc event and there is some singletrack and a few hills - quite a bit of strava activity and we see bikes out when walking

Montmorency, L'isle Adam, Rambouillet for MTB. Some really fun singletracks in Montmorency.

🙂 merci

@orange where do you park in Montmorency - Mrs B was not keen recently to have a look round there as she didn't want to leave her car anywhere and its her car I'd use for riding

@jambalaya 49.028000, 2.248774 - there's also the chateau de la chasse, but all really depends where you're heading.

[b]orangespyderman [/b]and [b]jambalaya [/b]thank you, both, for your offers! I'll need to see how the interview goes, first 😉

The job's with the OECD and to answers orange's question, the job ad states: "[i]Depending on level of experience, monthly salary starts at either ... EUR or ... EUR, plus allowances based on eligibility, exempt of French income tax.[/i]"

[b]globalti[/b], shame about your experience. It's an international agency I'd be working for so hopefully no overt office politics re: my nationality, but since the interview's in Paris I'll hopefully get a feel for the office environment. I'm not great at meeting people, but as a photographer I'm sure I'll at least get out of the apartment!

In your shoes I'd be putting more effort into that interview than your PhD viva. Those kind of jobs are gold.

@Kit if you are working for the EU you pay 10% tax I believe, not sure about OECD but tax may well not be zero

Bon chance

@orange many many thanks, will be onto those with Strava heat map

OECD is tax free, it was who I guessed the job would be with.

I hope Mrs B doesn't see that ^^^ or I'll get the full court press to contact them

I think they work on the basis of factual accuracy.

In your shoes I'd be putting more effort into that interview than your PhD viva.

Not hard, I didn't put much effort into prepping for my Viva 😉 But no shit anyway, it's going to be a tough job to get.

I think they work on the basis of factual accuracy.

I live/work here.

First came here thought it was rubbish, purely cus I did rubbish stuff, once I'd learnt the Lang and met people and knew the blokes down the fruit and veg and the coffee shops it all became nice.

Paris is ace and given me a real affinity to France, when I go to London it really doesn't have the same appeal. Yes tramps live here and they piss against walls blah blah blah but who cares, soak it up while you're tearing your baguette and walking sock less through the park. C'est Paris! C'est la vie!

If you do get over here and want a coffee with an English bloke get in touch.

Rogan Josh - Member

I live/work here.

But can you get a decent Rogan Josh?

Looks like RJ has made that cultural leap, which I never made!

As I frenchman living in North Kent, I'm not sure I would want to live in Paris.
As someone said above, parisien people are not liked by the other French.

Riding wise, Fontaineblau is supposed to be really good.

@cchris - we've looked around Fontainbleu a few interesting rocky gullies etc, all I have seen around Paris area are lycra clad xc whippets. Optimistic about @orange's area which is only 25 mins away when traffic is running smoothly. Parisian's do certainly have a sense of superiority wrt other French so I can see that doesn't go that well, we went to a very funny one man show "how to be Parisian in 1 hour" where he showed a map with Paris in one colour and the rest of France in another, he said; this is Paris and this is Provence 😀

@footflaps - not really, local curry house is always excited to see me and they are happy to spice things up as most Parisians like it really bland and creamy. Best for curry is to cook at home using spices, mixes bought in the UK

@globalti I was sorry to read your story, I think it's possibly a good example of how speaking the language too well can be a disadvantage and as a repeat ex-pat I've learnt having a hobby/activity is really important for meeting people

as a repeat ex-pat I've learnt having a hobby/activity is really important for meeting people

#jambatruth

Really makes a difference - not least because when you show up to a meeting of the stamp collecting club you know ahead of time that the vocabulary will be about stamps and not the random nonsense you will hear in a general social environment.

Here you go http://www.melivelo.fr/forum/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1946

And staggered holiday in France are designed to protect the Province against the Parisien.

DrJ thanks

cchris - thanks also, that's not a site I have come across. Below are some past courses for the Rando Jean Racine (who I now know is the "French Shakespear") around Foret Haute Chevreus (best I'd found till now) from uttawaga vtt

[url= https://www.utagawavtt.com/randonnee-vtt-gps/La-Jean-Racine-2015-40-km-9687 ]40km 2015[/url]
[url= https://www.utagawavtt.com/randonnee-vtt-gps/La-Jean-Racine-2013-40-km-7386 ]40km 2013[/url]

Melivelo is very much a closed forum, but as a guest you can read it all apart from the classifieds which is for members only.
I have heard of the Jean Racine but never rode it.

Melivelo is very much a closed forum

not at all . just trying to get people who contribute regularly .

not sure my degree would get me to Polytechnic .