[Closed] Lets talk about Man Utd

Tom Cleverly is being asked too much of, I think he needs a break from the pressure to allow him to develop a loan season and being dropped from the England squad might do him good.

I prefer to use his trademarked name #TC23. 🙂

Serious? He plays football twice a week, tops, and trains 4 /5 times. For this he receives more in a week than I earn in a year. 12 months playing will see him "earning" more that I will in a lifetime.

He isn't playing against you though, he is playing against midfielders who aren't having to deal with the problems he is. IMO I think the whole of the football world was so in awe of fergie that he was able to twist his influence to get players into international squads when there performances didn't really deserve it, he used it to boost his players and squads psychology and belief. Now they are a few cracks apearing it is having the opposite effect it is adding presure.

This is the main reason I stopped following football.

Well thanks for joining in a discussion on a topic you have no interest in, that explains perfectly how pointless your view is.

he was able to twist his influence to get players into international squads when there performances didn't really deserve it,

[url= http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/mar/26/paul-scholes-manchester-united ]This[/url] makes for interesting reading. I did find it a bit surprising to see the famously reclusive Scholsey pop up as a pundit on Sky the other night. And he didn't pull his punches. But then, why should he?

So, say, hypotethicinaflshallyly, were another consortium to buy Utd, would they also have to buy the debt? (perhaps thm might know the answer to this). The Glazers indebted the club with the cost of buying them (how the bejeesus that's even allowed to happen by the EPL is crazy in the first place) according to many posts here. I don't know the exact details but if the Glazers sold up, what happens the debt? Would it stay with the PLC? Or disappear somewhere? 😕

With Liverpool FC, the new owners had to buy the debt too. How they finance that debt is open and up to them completely. I'd assume it's exactly the same for Utd.

dunno if this has been posted already

(perhaps thm might know the answer to this

Indeed DD, but past experience says don't get involved with explaining how debt structures work on STW!!! Suffice to say, that no CL complicates matters otherwise they were close to being able to repay most debt by 2015. Not sure when that will happen now.

Apparently, if they're not in the CL, then the Glazers have already lined up a schedule of exhibition matches in the far east in the summer, which would apparently net as much income as the Champions league. Though that was announced before the recent run of results. It may not add to the clubs appeal to be beaten 5-0 by a Japanese second division side

But hey… lets not be premature. We might well win the CL yet 😆

but past experience says don't get involved with explaining how debt structures work on STW!!!

Proverbs 12:16

DD, I will post a very good link later. Try googling hedge fund manager called Andy Green (I think). From memory, he has a good blog with lots of data on Man U's financing. Given his job, he should be up on the investment maths!

The fact that you can buy a company financed by adding to the debt of that company seems bonkers. I'm sure THM will tell me it's absolutely fine.

Proverbs 12:16

.But hey… lets not be premature. We might well win the CL yet.

And why not, it might be another "football, bloody hell!" day. 😀

The Glazers have already offset the financial loss of not being in the CL? Yeah right.
If they could make so much money playing exhibition matches in the summer they would have been doing it anyway and so would many other teams with huge international fanbases. Plus you'll be playing the Europa qualifiers in July.

Whichever way you cut it Utd are at least £25 million down due to not qualifying.

I fear that story has been put out there to placate an already dis-illusioned fanbase.

Still, you might win it this year............

@deadlarcy it's most likely any takeover would include the current debt. What the Giaziers did is bog standard, bought a company with low debt and strong cash flow and put debt into the company to finance the deal and take cash out. If ManU had of wanted they could have protected against this but the fact is that wouldn't have been in the prior owners interests as it would have reduced the value of the club, ie the sales profit to them.

As for CL revenue loss, yes that will be a material dent but not threatening to the survival of the club or the Glaziers.

I see supporters have raised money to fly a plane over the stadium with an anti Moyes banner. What a mess.

DD, I've been out, but as promised here is the link to the site that I was referring to. Hope it helps.

http://andersred.blogspot.co.uk

seems like this thread is unusually quiet today

I'm no huge football fan these days but had a dream a couple of weeks ago that Man Utd won the champions league...

You are David Moyes and I claim my Fellaini comedy wig 😀

seems like this thread is unusually quiet today

Nothing like finally drawing at home to get rid of all the haters 🙂

I only watched the first half, but United had a decent shape defensively at last. If you could just swap Felliani for someone with a bit of skill and pace...

BBC seem to think Moyes is now as good as gone.

Apparently Manchester News has reported, in a lack of news kind of way, that Man Utd have [i]refused to deny[/i] Moyes is about to be sacked.

Ryan Giggs in charge for next year, I assume.

Giggs as caretaker until the end of the season then either Klopp, Simeone (?) or Vanghal (?) to come in as Giggs doesn't have his full UEAFA licence

that Man Utd have refused to deny Moyes is about to be sacked.

Wenger yet to sign his contract 😉

They certainly need someone with experience so I doubt they will go with Giggs.

you could get 33/1 on moyes getting the boot a week ago (after going out of the champions league) I thought that was very generous at the time wish I'd got my wallet out now 🙁

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I don't see why they would get rid now as there are only a few games left. I know there is a lot of press speculation, but reckon he'll stay for the last few games.

I think Moyes would have got away with early wobbles if he hadn't decided to totally clear out the backroom staff when he took over. However much they were Fergie's team, they had clear relationships with the players and understood how to get the best out of most of them.

Still a shame to see someone booted after less than a season, if it's all true, which it sounds like it is.

Still a shame to see someone booted after less than a season, if it's all true, which it sounds like it is.

To be fair, he's failed massively - I can't see Chelski or City tolerating a similar performance from a new manager, Spurs certainly didn't.

United fans need to get used to a new reality, they will change managers just as often as any other team now, maybe even more frequently as they try and find their feet after the Fergi reign.

As they did between Busby and Fergie, they have had 2 long serving managers, and 20-30 who have lasted just as long as managers at other clubs.

He has been an absolute disaster - really hope he stays.
Saying that, he seems a decent bloke and did a decent job at Everton - pretty poor of United not to come out and dispel the rumours and leave him dangling but as Junkyard says, they've got to tell the stock exchange first. Regardless of who they get in its not going to be a quick fix. They need a whole new defence, two central midfielders and are saddled with a declining Rooney earning megabucks, expecting to be captain and have a say in future transfers as well. You can't just spend £100m on 5 pr 6 players and expect them to gel - look at Spurs. They'll do really well to avoid a lengthy decline akin to Liverpool post 1990.

pretty poor of United not to come out and dispel the rumours and leave him dangling but as Junkyard says,

I'd be amazed if he wasn't already aware of what was going to happen tomorrow.

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He's been a dead man walking for a while. That picture of the Everton fan dressed as the grim reaper is priceless. Sad fact is that ManU are still getting worse. Moyes hasn't helped himself by firing the back room staff and getting all his mates in, in the transfer market his sole pre-season signing was Felini as the BBC point out why would you trust him with the squad rebuilding job. He seemed a decent manager but football isn't kind to those who can't deliver the results.

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I'd be amazed if he wasn't already aware of what was going to happen tomorrow.

Yeah, JY, what [i]aren't[/i] you telling us?

but football isn't kind to those who can't deliver the results.

The Premier League need a healthy Man U like F1 needs a healthy Ferrari - they are the recognisable brand within a brand for the overseas (asian) market.

If you were a first class manager at another top club elsewhere in the world settled in your role (i.e. the sort of leader united are probably looking for) you would have to think long and hard before leaving all that and taking the job - it could go through a few hands before they settle down at or near the top of the pile again.

There was a piece a while ago about how much them not being in the Champs League next season would cost them, it figured because of their popularity overseas & income they can survive a season out of it, but 2 or 3 seasons would be troublesome...

And without the Champions League they won't attract top players. It'd be a bonus for them if they miss out on the Europa League next season to solely concentrate on the league.

and how will this make Man U better?

Less games to play, similar to Liverpool this season, their squad is fresher as they've not played as many games as city or Chelsea.

Sorry I meant sacking Moyes, most people seem to blame him one minute and the Glazers the next, though why the people who put the windows in have to do with it I have no idea.

Done deal.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/27107795

Time to laugh at all the united fans who crowed so loudly about giving their managers time 😆