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Just having a think about possible outcomes over the summer...moving the discussion on.

Moyes given the chance to walk rather than it appearing he's been sacked? (Not convinced myself that this would happen.) He'd still walk into a job at a mid-table side (now, now) as he's proven that's what he's good at.

What's the betting Everton will have him back in exchange for Martinez?
No, thought not!

If he walks, presumably the five years left on his contract count for nothing. It's by no means certain that he would walk into another job straight away. So he would be a fool to do it, as it wouldn't even save his face by avoiding the sack.

'Mutual consent' with money in his pocket, a year off then into somewhere like Fulham, I guess.

'Mutual consent' with money in his pocket, a year off then into somewhere like Fulham, I guess.

I should have made myself clearer. Your suggestion is kinda what I was getting at.

Steve Bruce would love the job

Last year RVP was on fire and the [s]opposition[/s] [b]Referees[/b] were generally afraid of [s]ManU[/s] / Fergie, now that fear factor has gone and [s]further than that every team fancies their chances against them[/s] opposition penalties are being given at OT.

Man Utd Fans, Check out the Cost of last night starting XI's 😀

Which side 😉

Its a pointless debate by most teams standards in this league if not the world they are big spenders
however they are nowhere near the levels [ fees and equally importantly wages] of a City, PSG, Barca or RM

I don't think Moyes will walk, he's never going to get a job like this again so he will stick at it until he's sacked or turns it around. If he is sacked he should take a break perhaps retire completely or manage abroad if anyone will have him. In my view the style in which they will inevitably lose to Bayern will determine whether he starts next season as manager. As someone with experience of fierce rivalries at Everton saying that City are the standard he wants to reach at ManU is pretty naive.

Guardian reporting that ManU fans where having a go a Ferguson after the match for appointing Moyes [url= http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/mar/26/sir-alex-ferguson-abused-fans-appointing-david-moyes ]Guardian Link[/url]

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Its a pointless debate by most teams standards in this league if not the world they are big spenders
however they are nowhere near the levels [ fees and equally importantly wages] of a City, PSG, Barca or RM

Maybe but they are greater than that of Arsenal, Liverpool, Everton & Spurs, none of whom added £80m worth to their squad in last 12 months... 🙄

Both starting XI's btw, Utds cost more... Lolzzz

hey are greater than that of Arsenal, Liverpool, Everton & Spurs, none of whom added £80m worth to their squad in last 12 months.

I agree we have spent in the last 12 months but it may be better to look over a longer term trend unless you want to argue Spurs are the big spenders in the league - I assume they spent the most last year

I understand it is football but lolz and eye rolling when I am barely disagreeing with you..is it really needed?

Linky for valuations [ I assume you are using what they were bought for rather than what they are worth now to make your point] as google was not helpful. I would assume the values currently are not in Man U 's favour nor the squad one either.

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He'd still walk into a job at a mid-table side (now, now) as he's proven that's what he's good at.

Delivered with a straight face 😀

All this "it's my fault" and shocking body language supports the "dead man walking" idea. Reminds me of the Martin Correy era at England RU - all doom, self-effacing negativity. It was draining to watch as it is with poor old Moyes now.

It's always painful to see someone promoted beyond their capabilities and the suffering in the public eye. How grey will he be by end- season?

Clearly, it matters how much a team has available to buy players in, and as is shown on multiple threads, it seems difficult to get an agreement on who has spent most over the last few seasons. As far as I'm aware, don't the tables tend to correlate with wage bills mostly anyway, not what they spend on players in the first place? I must see if I can find a link on this sometime. I would have thought that Chelsea and City have the highest wage bills currently. (though I guess Rooney's contract will skew Utd's wage bill somewhat) I'm also betting that Ferguson was better at managing players' wage demands than Moyes is - as we all know, he was never afraid of letting a player shag off when the time came - whereas Moyes is probably shitting himself about RVP and to a lesser extent, Rooney.

Delivered with a straight face

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Hence the "now, now" as I knew somebody would quote me and say "He's already at one." He over-achieved with Everton and I think he would still do so with a similar side. But, yes, I agree, he seems to have been promoted beyond his capabilities...either that or told to jump onto a ship with an enormous hole in the hull and told to plug it. I realise Utd didn't have the squad to win the PL this season. It was always going to be between Chelsea and City - but there's no way they should be this far behind with eight odd games to play.

It was always going to be between Chelsea and City

Oi... have a word !

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It still is to be fair. Liverpool look favourites to be third which would be a massive over-achievement. Top 4 since 2009 is still a big achievement with the club being run (relatively) prudently at present with a nice little cash injection from UCL qualification.

EDIT: the above @ weeksy

He should have let Rooney go (2nd time around), adds little to the team, and costs a fortune in wages. If he had any sense Mata would start instead of Rooney every time.

Liverpool look favourites to be third

You should do better than that tbh play both city and chelsea at home
I think you should be thinking of challenging for the league tbh

Lets see tonight first and then we'll go from there 🙂

I personally think Liverpool are sneaking up gradually on a 2nd place by 2 points to Chelsea- thats my prediction with it being Man City's title.

The worse thing Man U can do is keep hold of Moyes for another season thinking hes another early-Fergie. Did Fergie commit alot of howlers?!

No he never made a single solitary mistake ever. Even buying Veron has since been proved to be genius, that was simply misunderstood, as he was so far ahead of his time.

17 million for ashley 'wind would blow him over' young

ouch

Ferguson was never great at buying establishe world class players; veron being the classic example but also Young

What he was very good at was buying promising young players and developing them within the club to become world class players- Ronaldo, Evra, De Gea, Rooney, Ole, Neville, Scholes, Beckham, Giggs etc

there is along list of crap buys as well though and many were seasoned pros
Ruud
Staam
RvP

there are probably other non dutch ones if you look
Ferdinand
Carrick
Berbatov

Etc

For every ronaldo there is a bebe, Djemb-djemba or Veron
his record is somewhat mixed

He had a lot of young players come from the academy in the early to mid 90's, he never matched that again, it is hard to say how much he was responsible for that and how much it was down to other academy staff in place at the time. What he did do at that time was mainly buy well to match the players that came through.

At that time it looked like the club had a proper 5-10 year plan, and none of the others did.

At the moment it looks like it is city and liverpool who have mid to long term plans.

Ruud and Stam were brilliant!

I,m always happy to read stuff saying man u are rubbish but rudd van nistelrooy crap for man u,you sure?

He had a lot of young players come from the academy in the early to mid 90's, he never matched that again, it is hard to say how much he was responsible for that and how much it was down to other academy staff in place at the time.

If you watch Eric Harrison (who ran the Academy) interviewed on the Class of 92, he says it was Fergie who quadrupled their resources, and championed it, within weeks of taking over as manager. Getting them winning the under 16's before bringing them straight through into the first team. So you'll have to give him the credit for that.

Ruud and Stam were rubbish? Erm… I think I must have been watching a different team to you for a few years then JY 😯

I remember a statistic that 30% of all transfers will be a failure. Much cheaper to buy younger players and develop them, acknowledging not all will make it (remember Luke Chadwick?).

Ah, yes I forgot Berbatov!!

I also remember someone doing an analysis of Manager performance based on points pre & post substitutions. I think Jose was top and Fergie second. The lack of an ability to come up with plan B is Moyes biggest failure- he plans for a game but seems incapable of doing anything to change formation or strategy if things don't go according to plan A

Berbatov was the highest goal scorer in one season, he wasn't all that bad. There have been far worse over the years, like Phil Jones and Tom Cleverly.

Phil Jones will be ok, if he is allowed to settle into a position. Tom Cleverly is being asked too much of, I think he needs a break from the pressure to allow him to develop a loan season and being dropped from the England squad might do him good.

I agree about Jones. He's (along with de Gea) one of the few positives this season. I think he's the best of the younger centre backs. Smalling seems to be going backwards. Ideally jones should have been playing every game as centre back with Rio/Vidic alternating so jones could learn from them. Injuries have kyboshed that though :-/

Yo man! Im from the USA, Ive been a big fan of the United since they were formed in 1993!
Last night was my 1st game at the Old Trafford United Stadium! I ran into some buddies from home, Chad and Troy! They go once a year and have all the latest jerseys and scarves, the Norwich City one and Umbro ones too!
Everyone was real nice to us, I didn't realise you guys all talk with London accents, thats so cool!
I just really wish we came last week instead because we heard we missed the open top bus parade for the Champions League Quarter Final Cup. Man we're real upset about that!
I was a little confused on why you had a fire drill last night with 5 minutes to go? We followed everyone else out and missed City's final touchdown too!
Hope to see you guys next year, we've already applied for a couple of Champions League tickets for next season so see you all then! Laters

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I think I must have been watching a different team to you for a few years then JY

Apologies

What he was very good at was buying promising young players and developing them within the club to become world class players- Ronaldo, Evra, De Gea, Rooney, Ole, Neville, Scholes, Beckham, Giggs etc

Whilst you can't argue with the quality of those players bought through, where's the next class? Why aren't they producing the next Beckham's, Scholes & Giggs?

De Gea was hardly a cheap purchase, nor was evra or even ronaldo...

Genuine question from a non footy fan: if Moyes left or was booted, who would you want to replace him, out of the people who are not in a job or would make themselves available?

Ronaldo was £12.5m. Not cheap but fairly barginous considering the level he plays at

Not sure who I'd want to replace Moyes. They need someone with winning experience in the premier league and champions league, and someone who'll stick around for 5 years not cut and run (which is why I suspect they didn't go for Jose). That person doesn't exist, which is why they went for Moyes. That person still doesn't exist so no idea who they'd pick.

I can't see Fergie taking the reigns, even for a short term.

MTB-Idle 7/10. Made me smirk 🙂

MTB-idle - 8/10 to a fellow soccerball fan

Next manager for United, that German fella, Klop? Or Martinez. Oh the irony

Rumours do suggest Louis val gaal, although other rumours suggest he's off to Tottenham

Tom Cleverly is being asked too much of, I think he needs a break from the pressure to allow him to develop

Serious? He plays football twice a week, tops, and trains 4 /5 times. For this he receives more in a week than I earn in a year. 12 months playing will see him "earning" more that I will in a lifetime.

This is the main reason I stopped following football. Pundits constantly barking on about a "short career" when asked to justify wages. Sorry, but when a footballer finishes his playing career why can't he go on to another job?

Low IQ and lack of transferable skills? Some find speaking difficult!

have you heard them interviewed

I suppose they could ask if you wanted fries with that 🙂

Serious? He plays football twice a week, tops, and trains 4 /5 times. For this he receives more in a week than I earn in a year. 12 months playing will see him "earning" more that I will in a lifetime.

You sound bitter and jealous. It's a market driven wage, people will pay it.