[Closed] Lets talk about Man Utd

...and he's gone. No surprise there then - what a mess for him!

Million new threads coming in 5....4....3...

One of the hardest jobs in the world, impossible to take and impossible to turn down.

Dammit!

Is this on Ebay yet?

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17 million? For abject failure...

As long as the same parasites are running the club as a cash cow, then I can't see how this is possibly going to help matters.

I never thought I'd quote Terry Chrisian, but he said something bang on, on the radio this morning. A fish rots from the head. The problem isn't the manager. The problem is the way the club has been run for the last 6-7 years. Its a mess!! This was always going to happen. Its a testament to Fergie that he managed to paper over the cracks for this long. There will be no quick fix. Whoever takes over will still be faced with the same problems, and unless things fundamentally change at the top (i.e. get rid of the leeches who 'own' the club) then this is merely the start of a long, expensive, Liverpool-style decline

I feel for the guy.

But body language gave it away a long time ago. The fit was never there.

17 million? For abject failure...

If you're talking about his payout, sounds like there was a clause in his contract allowing him to be sacked if he didn't achieve a CL place.

binners they are giving near on a 1/4million in the hope it'll buy success.

Can't you see that football isn't about a sport or hobby? Its about buying results. Don't try and approach romanticing it.

Binners - you need to take it a level above that IMO.

binners they are giving near on a 1/4million in the hope it'll buy success.

Yeah… so they say. I'll believe it when I see it. And if they do, then its just blind panic as they realise that their bloodsucking over the years has inevitably destroyed the goose that lays the golden eggs. They've destroyed their precious 'brand'. Typical financiers. They know the price of everything, and the value of nothing 🙄

Maybe they need a true authority on the game to take over then? You had any approaches yet Hora?

oops I mean going on a 1/4 billion.

1/4million is Huddersfield Towns budget.

Maybe they need a true authority on the game to take over then? You had any approaches yet Hora?

Well the last manager wasn't their first choice was he...

1/4 billion doesn't even begin to cover what they're leveraged buyout has cost the club in interest payments alone. Without getting into the hundreds of millions they've paid themselves in the process. All money that should have been used over the years to rebuild the squad. Not to prop up ailing malls in America

oh well...what do I know!

😆

Gutted. 🙁

binners, as a plastic United fan surely all you care about is buying success next season?

[i]oops I mean going on a 1/4 billion.[/i]

Trouble is there are now more rich clubs willing to spend big bucks on top players....than there are top players!

Interesting times ahead!

Well looks like he is ready for a trip to the north east then...

And now time for Man U to hit the manager merry go round, if the previous lot gave fergie a chance, his achievements kept him there. The guys who give people a chance are no longer at Man U, so time for the Chelski approach and 1 (or 2) managers a season for the next 5 years and then install a stannah stair lift to get fergie in and out of the dugouts 🙂

Couldn't have happened to a nicer club.

Trouble is there are now more rich clubs willing to spend big bucks on top players

OOF! People took the piss out of Chelski when Abrama took over but apart from the money who else was there to compete with Man Ures spend? 😉

The difference is that United spent the income it generated, as it was a massively profitable business.

[i]The difference is that United spent the income it generated, as it was a massively profitable business.[/i]

Indeed...please don't bring Chelski into it....we are not talking about Clubs who have bought their Trophies!

The financial fair play rules were brought in to protect the big established clubs positions, now that one of them is outside the CL at the wrong time, I wonder how long the rules will last. I bet this was never envisaged when the rules were created.

United was in the right position at the right time to take advantage of the new wealth generated by the premier league and CL expansion. Now they are in the wrong position at the wrong time.

As long as the same parasites are running the club as a cash cow, then I can't see how this is possibly going to help matters.

I never thought I'd quote Terry Chrisian, but he said something bang on, on the radio this morning. A fish rots from the head. The problem isn't the manager. The problem is the way the club has been run for the last 6-7 years. Its a mess!! This was always going to happen. Its a testament to Fergie that he managed to paper over the cracks for this long. There will be no quick fix. Whoever takes over will still be faced with the same problems, and unless things fundamentally change at the top (i.e. get rid of the leeches who 'own' the club) then this is merely the start of a long, expensive, Liverpool-style decline

This ^^

I wasn't a fan of Moyes, but he had a very difficult job and should have been given more time.
Who next?
Mourinho as an outside bet?

The search has begun...
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Although that wasn't where I expected them to start.

I think the players need to take a long hard look at themselves. Yes Moyes looked well out of his depth, but skilled professionals on huge salaries (and Fellaini 😛 ) shouldn't be sulking like little kids and looking like they can't be arsed.

The difference is that United spent the income it generated, as it was a massively profitable business.

They still spend lots. Lets not forget Chelsea, City had to build squads up from a long way off.

Now other Prem teams are up there and spending similar amounts keeping their teams topped up like Man U I cant see Man U ever having the same dominance, no?

Out of interest, do you follow a particular club, Hora? Or is a lot of this just Binners baiting?

Now other Prem teams are up there and spending similar amounts keeping their teams topped up like Man U I cant see Man U ever having the same dominance, no?

I wasn't a fan of Moyes, but he had a very difficult job and should have been given more time.
Who next?

I'm still struggling to see exactly what it was Moyes "had" that made him a shoe in for the job in the first place.
10 years of upper mid table regularity without ever winning anything of note. Was that enough?

Out of interest, do you follow a particular club, Hora? Or is a lot of this just Binners baiting?

Y'know, like the 5live commentators and pundits - he's keeping allegiances quiet while helping the threads chug along interspersing them with his razor sharp insights into the game.

Y'know, like the 5live commentators and pundits

Out of interest, do you follow a particular club, Hora? Or is a lot of this just Binners baiting?

Apart from 5 aside, but thats about as far as my interest goes with football. Its more a mans soap series than actually interesting to watch.

At least I'm honest, most working class men pretend to follow a team so they fit in.

You are the diamond in the rough, Hora.

They still spend lots. Lets not forget Chelsea, City had to build squads up from a long way off.

Now other Prem teams are up there and spending similar amounts keeping their teams topped up like Man U I cant see Man U ever having the same dominance, no?

City were bottom feeders,yes, but Chelsea were already up there challenging the Utd/Arsenal dominance at home and not doing badly in Europe either, playing some lovely football too! It wouldn't have taken £200m+ to turn us in to world beaters!
What might have been...

You are the diamond in the rough, Hora.

I know, when I'm sat with the other plumbers on a job I always get ribbed about my manbag and skin care products as well.

I'm still struggling to see exactly what it was Moyes "[b]had[/b]" that made him a shoe in for the job in the first place.
10 years of upper mid table regularity without ever winning anything of note. Was that enough?

Weegie heritage innit.

Yes Moyes looked well out of his depth, but skilled professionals on huge salaries (and Fellaini ) shouldn't be sulking like little kids and looking like they can't be arsed.

THM also had a point about how his body language and demeanour always looked wrong. Its like he does not know how to be favourites and attack - our away record is impressive but home has been dire.

I'm still struggling to see exactly what it was Moyes "had" that made him a shoe in for the job in the first place.

If you look what he did at Everton, it was about building a good squad (as a certain Mr Martinez can testify) on a budget. Thats the key. With the Glazers milking the club for all its worth, there will be the odd [s]panic[/s] high-profile signing, but the debts mean that any United manager simply doesn't have any money to play with. Whatever squad they build will have to be done on the cheap

We keep hearing all these rumours (where do they originate I wonder?) about big money available for high profile players. But they said that last year. And what happened? THIS is what happened…..

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Him and mata that was how much again?

They are not as rich as city but lets not plead poverty here Binners

Yes JY But United are the richest club in the world. They generate enormous revenue, and are massively profitable. United should be perfectly placed to take advantage of the fair play rules because of this.They should be competing in the transfer market with Real and Barca. But all those profits have been trousered by the Glazers instead, while they spend the bare minimum to maintain a squad capable of competing at this level. So they panicked and bought Mata. Who else? Which other world class players have arrived at a club (barring VP who was a snip because of the length of time left on his contract) with Champions League winning pretensions? Smalling? Jones? Young? Cleverley?

Who next? Andy Carrol?

Actually…. that wouldn't surprise me any more.

They wouldn't have sacked Moyes if there was no money to spend in the summer. They sacked him cos they didn't trust him to spend it but they've got no chance of attracting a top manager if there's no cash.

If however they offer the job to Roberto Martinez or Tony Pulis!!!

#crystalpulis

If you look what he did at Everton, it was about building a good squad (as a certain Mr Martinez can testify) on a budget. Thats the key.

Suburbanreuben - Thats kind of my point. He was obviously brought in to work a miracle while spending no money. Lets have a look at the United transfer rumours in the summer….

Allegedly they were going to outbid Real for Bale. Then Fabregas was coming from Barca. Then Fellaini arrived instead. So I'd take with a bucket of salt any rumours about supposed summer spending sprees, because its got a very familiar ring to it. You've got to ask, when these rumours and speculation arise, whose interests are being served by them appearing in the press?