[Closed] Lane hogging anyone?

Been copped?

I hog the middle lane out of principle and years of owning a smiley transit with the acceleration and maneuverability of a canal boat.

It was suprisingly common for someone to fly down the outside cutting across my lane with about six inches to spare between them and me into the inside lane at 90 mph (I can only imagine they did this to make a point that maybe I was a bad driver ) only for them to have to brake really really hard narrowly avoid ploughing into the back of a lorry.

Cocks.

I hog the middle lane out of principle and years of owning a smiley transit with the acceleration and maneuverability of a canal boat.

Old habits die hard.

It's a typical 'great sound bite, but shit in practice' bit of 'policy'.

There aren't any coppers left on the roads to enforce it anyway, it will be nearly impossible to actually 'do' someone for it, and most motorways are so totally clogged up now that it is just three solid lanes doing 'fifty five to stay alive'.

Nice in theory, totally impractical bollocks in reality. Like a lot of populist, throw away policies.

Inside lane for lorries and old people.
Middle lane for normal folk who want to be able to go Ahem the speed limit.

Outside lane for people who want to go 90+ And all the people who feel the need to do a 100+ get to ether tailgate the outside lane bullying there way through or weave in and out of which ever lane that gets them past one car at a time.

That is the natural order of the motorway.

My mum is 86 has really slow reactions and is really not confident driving on motorways. I refuse to be annoyed by lane hogging it is just people who drive like my mum and so deserve the same respect ( and space.)

Your mum should drive then.

Your mum should drive then.

Shouldn't?

I wish the lane-hoggers would just be a bit aware. I really don't care in the rush hour, when all 3 lanes are rammed anyway, so mleh, who cares. Empty road? just drive in lane 1, how hard could it be?

Rene59 I agree and do everything in my power to stop her . I am also glad the people are being prohibited from driving as badly on point of principal or ignorance.

I'm wondering if anyone has been fined for it,pulled over by the police and charged,they talk like it's up there with drink driving,I also drive a transit therefore also exempt (from all driving offences)

It has the effect of bringing a three lane road down to one lane. Rather than one lane of lorries and two lanes of cars doing 70ish you get someone in the middle lane doing 60 and even if the inside lane is clear all the faster cars now have to use one lane (or risk undertaking).

So If I am in the middle lane doing 75 say, how is that a problem to you .
If you wish to go faster, use the outside lane to overtake, or would you rather I moved in to allow you to continue along the middle lane that was exactly what I was doing,

If I sat in the outside lane, I could see an issue. But I am not.

On an open road I will take the inside, when there is a lorry every hundred yards or so I will sit in the middle, you are free to overtake using the outside , which is exactly what I do when I find some in front of me going slower than I wish to travel .

One of STW favourite subjects with the same old, "Why should it bother you that you had to cross 2 lanes to pass me because I can't move one lane."

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/is-it-me-or-is-lane-3-hogging-on-the-increase

So If I am in the middle lane doing 75 say, how is that a problem to you .
If you wish to go faster, use the outside lane to overtake, or would you rather I moved in to allow you to continue along the middle lane that was exactly what I was doing,

The problem comes when other people want to overtake the guy who wants to overtake you as you're effectively turning a perfectly good 3 lane road into a dual carriageway

Mind you, the state of some of the inside lanes don't help

To many shit drivers on the roads totally unworkable.

I drive a lot for work and it does become a bind when you are doing what should by keeping left Except when overtaking and have to move from 1st lane to 3rd lane just to overtake. I once got stuck behind a middle lane hogger whilst towing a trailer, idiot in middle lane doing 45-50 I'm legally allowed to do 60 but can't overtake as not allowed in outside lane.
Also 2am deserted motorway why stay in middle lane as this is very dangerous.

Just back from 1k miles towing a caravan across France, (& around the south of England).
Our driving standards are a lot better than some I saw in France, by a good way.

I'm convinced that there are large sections of the M1 that have some sort of anti-car force field going on in the left hand lane.

Never seen so many people completely unable to use a simple motorway. Or indeed stick to a steady speed - I've been down there without needing to touch the cruise control for 40 minutes yet I can pass and be passed by the same car as he goes from 80 to 50 to 75 to 60 to 90 seemingly at random.

But I am doing 75 , unless you are emergency services you have no business overtaking me.
You are saying my bad driving is hindering yours.

The simple system I have perfected is to get in to which ever lane is travelling the closest to the speed I want to travel at, then I stay there untill it is no longer traveling at the speed I wish to be traveling at. At which point I move in or out to which ever lane is now traveling at what speed I wish to travel at.

It is a system that has served me well for 25 years now.

Chip you appear to want to claim the moral high ground while bragging that you are incapable of following two simple driving rules . Drive in the left hand lane unless overtaking and do not exceed 70 mph .

[quote=crankboy said]Chip you appear to want to claim the moral high ground while bragging that you are incapable of following two simple driving rules . Drive in the left hand lane unless overtaking and do not exceed 70 mph .

+1.

Lots of "I want to", "I wish to". Perhaps consider everyone else too 🙂

It's dead simple. If you're not passing anyone, pull into the lane to your left.

70, 80, 90mph init?

Rockhopper +1

Use the motorway properly

So who's safer? You, bumbling along, mid lane, in your transit,yet breaking the law at 75mph, or the Skoda Cocktavia , paying attention doing 85, and wanting to make way for the arse sniffing audi doing 95?

But the inside lane is going slower than I want To go and I would happily travel at 70 as I did for three years after ending up with nine points from a motorcycle crash and could not risk a further three.

So for three years I religiously stuck to the speed limit at all times on all roads.
And I found nothing infuriates a motorist more than someone traveling at the speed limit. 😀

What tron said.

Worse in Scotland where we're lucky if we get 2 lanes. Muppets sat in the outside lane, despite overtaking no-one, travelling at 60. Doesn't help anyone.

So If I am in the middle lane doing 75 say, how is that a problem to you .

Well, doing that means you're in the wrong for two reasons, the speeding and maintaining that lane after you've finished overtaking.

More in the spirit of your point though; fine, no-one should be going faster than you. And yes, if there are trucks every hundred metres, you're in the correct lane. However...

What actually happens is often someone sitting there, apparently failing to pay any attention to the road around. Often hundreds of metres to the next vehicle in the inside lane, mostly doing the speed of whatever they happen to be sat behind. When that speed changes for what ever reason they blindly copy it, with out really noticing.

It's the fact they're not watching what happens around them, so don't notice the situation around them, or the fact that *they do notice* but decide the rules of the road don't apply to them and they can do as the see fit that really irks me.

Motorways would be safer and more free-flowing without the inattention or worse, selfishness displayed by middle lane hogs.

And I found nothing infuriates a motorist more than someone traveling at the speed limit.

Except lane hoggers.

I would be in an out like a fiddlers elbow . You can , not me.
My system works .

And I found nothing infuriates a motorist more than someone [s]traveling at the speed limit[/s] too selfish and lazy to move over.

Yeah but they are speeders.

How many people are killed every year by lane hoggers, less than people speeding I would say.

[quote=chip said]I would be in an out like a fiddlers elbow . You can , not me.
My system works .

It's not a binary thing, you are allowed to apply some common sense i.e. "I won't pull in to the left lane now because I can see that I'll catch a slow vehicle in that lane within the next minute and will have to pull out again."

[puzzles over whether chip is trolling or actually thinks he's right]

decides not to care, and gets on with evening

[/puzzlement]

I can kind of see both sides of this. How about sitting in the middle lane and pulling into the left when someone comes up behind? Rather than in and out of the trucks every 15 seconds.

And I found nothing infuriates a motorist more than someone traveling at the speed limit.

I hope this is joke, because if it's not it's absolute bollocks.

Someone on here brought to my attention the "buzzing bee". Passing a hogger on the right, move all the way back to the left, foot off accelerator until they've passed again...repeat process until they move over 🙂

Highly effective!

Does no one here just pass a hogger on the left if it's clear, or does everyone do a 3 lane manoeuvre and back in again?

You drive religiously at 30 on 30mph roads, you get beeped flashed and regularly offered a Nescafé ( I think that's what they are saying).

As you will find an ever increasing gap between you and the car in front.
And the person behind up your arse getting very upset.

I hope this is joke, because if it's not it's absolute bollocks.

No its not certainly in the CleckHuddersFax area where there are a gazzillion steath speed cameras I have been driving through here all week and cruising along at the speed limit only to have driving gods Flashing me / trying to pass at every blind bend / passing at said blind bends / generally being pillocks

[quote=chip said]You drive religiously at 30 on 30mph roads, you get beeped flashed and regularly offered a Nescafé ( I think that's what they are saying).
As you will find an ever increasing gap between you and the car in front.
And the person behind up your arse getting very upset.

Not sure what that's got to do with middle lane hogging or driving on motorways. Anyway, you're clearly set in your ways and relatively harmless so I'm oot 🙂

It's to do with why I go 75 on motoways.
As travelling at the speed limit upsets people. And 75 keeps me from upsetting the law.

As a child I was part of the 100 plus brigade, but I grew up.

No its not certainly in the CleckHuddersFax area where there are a gazzillion steath speed cameras I have been driving through here all week and cruising along at the speed limit only to have driving gods Flashing me / trying to pass at every blind bend / passing at said blind bends / generally being pillocks

I'm assuming 'Hudders' = Huddersfield
That's where my brother lives. I know it reasonably well and have been going there reasonably regularly for many years now.
Some time ago I worked out that (as I was driving all over the UK for a job) it's pretty pointless driving fast everywhere. You can't sustain it and a) Keep your license and b) Relax
Now, don't get me wrong, now and again I'll let loose and I've got a vehicle I can really do that with, but I commute 50 miles a day in traffic and I sit at 70 all the time. On longer journeys I set the cruise at 65. I use the inside lane as intended. Any more than a ten second gap and I pull in. It's not hard. I sit and watch everyone else go past me. I don't take part in what they do, I just stay out of the way. I've done tens if not hundreds of thousands of miles like this. It's easy to maintain 65-70mph and it's single numbers of minutes slower per journey than trying to do 80-90 and a lot less stressful.

So that's two of you talking bollocks now. 🙂

Also, what Chip said.. Agreed.

You have the acceleration to pull out.
If you drive a piece of shit you have to plan pulling out . 😀

[b]PeterPoddy[/b] - Correct

[b]chip[/b] - Incorrect

You have the acceleration to pull out.

If you're aware of what's going in around you, no change of speed is necessary.

Just back from 1k miles towing a caravan across France, (& around the south of England).

you should have left it there to many of the stupid things cluttering up the roads and nice fields.

Also as the maximum sped for a car is 70 mph why do you need to overtake a vehicle if its doing 70mph

Also 2am deserted motorway why stay in middle lane as this is very dangerous

Could you explain why? Surely if it's deserted what does it matter what lane you use?

Peter Poddy +1

I have never found the driving characteristics of what I drive have affected my Lane discipline from tediously slow hire vans to v6 estates and a fair few things in between good Lane discipline is easy. Once they are up to speed of the slip road you anticipate, plan and manoeuvre accordingly.

Chinese have it sussed, they use whichever lane is most convenient.
Works a treat 🙂

I hog the middle lane out of principle and years of owning a smiley transit with the acceleration and maneuverability of a canal boat.

It was suprisingly common for someone to fly down the outside cutting across my lane with about six inches to spare between them and me into the inside lane at 90 mph (I can only imagine they did this to make a point that maybe I was a bad driver ) only for them to have to brake really really hard narrowly avoid ploughing into the back of a lorry.

Cocks.

If you're aware of what's going in around you, no change of speed is necessary.
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You obviously have never driven a vehicle that requires you to add gradient and momentum into your driving strategy.
Where you capitalise on the downs. And have to utilise the crawler lanes. And if you drop below certain revs you have no where to go but to keep down shifting because the gradient dictates it.

You're awesome.

Chip try going on an Advanced Motorist course, they teach how to drive at the speed limit but obey the rules and teach you Observation, this is key to making progress. I can sit with cruise control on and use all 3 lanes progressively without having to slow or speed up massively, sometimes deselect cruise for 20 seconds to match speed but nothing more.
With Observation and matching speed to traffic flow you can keep left Except when overtaking.

You're awesome.

I know,
Blessed I am.

Cruise control, you crack me up.

I will have cruise control when you are being driven round in a driverless car.

Sorry I have only just stopped laughing at cruise control.
I am going to have to go as my sides are proper hurting.

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chip = surfmat

Yeah but they are speeders.

How many people are killed every year by lane hoggers, less than people speeding I would say.

I do a lot of motorway miles and 90%+ of the road rage I see has been triggered by numpty lane hogs, - undertaking, tailgating, swerving across 3 lanes etc., so I suspect a good proportion of accidents are actually precipitated by lane hogs.

It's a simple equation. Inconsiderate selfish driving = others drivers getting wound up = road rage = more dangerous driving = accidents and death.

I can't understand the Chip way of thinking. Is it complete ignorance or inconsideration for others using the road? I feel quite glad I don't drive much...

Chip I drive a panda it is really easy to drive at the speed limit in the correct lane and with observation change lanes to overtake . Perhaps you need some extra tuition .

Chip isn't surfmat.
Surfmat was the end of a bell, but even he wasn't that bad.

Go drive on the M1 on any day and see what happens when dumbasses refuse to pull into the left lane.
You just end up with miles of people slowing down and braking while the knobber continues his happy way at 65 with no one inside them.
I think a system of snipers and hydraulic rams under the roads should be implemented. Simple rule really - In the middle lane with no one inside you for more than a mile = warning shot to the engine block and a hydraulic ram to get the car off the road.
Simple solution and I bet after a few weeks would change most peoples driving habits

Taking Chip in the spirit of his original post I think he's right. I'll not be pulling in and out of the inside lane every few seconds to make it marginally easier for someone else to exceed the speed limit without impeding someone else exceeding the speed limit even more. People seem to be overstating what he said to undermine his point.

So, should we pull into the left lane after passing every lorry? Even if it means pulling back out again after 10 seconds? Except it doesn't, it means having to slow down and wait because the person who was behind you has now crept alongside you. This happens every single time.

So I propose that it is safer, more economics and better for traffic flow to remain in the middle lane doing 70 when there are more lorries coming up.

As a trucker, restricted to 56mph I've been verbally reprimanded for both undertaking (using lane 1) and tailgating in lane 2 yet the numpty in lane 2 was allowed to bimble off at 50mph oblivious.

Use your commen sense. In heavy traffic it's not worth pulling left, the car behind will automatically accelerate to fill the gap you've created and then sit there alongside effectively boxing you in. It's a bit like candy crush.
Once the traffic thins get left. I believe keeping left keeps you awake and aware of the traffic around you.

It's not up to you or I to control others who wish to speed. Sitting in lane 2 at 70 claiming anyone wanting to go faster is a badman is petty and pedantic. I believe it's instant ban for being above 100mph so leave it too the police. Speeding is the least of my concerns when I see people messing about on iPads, phones, paperwork, make-up and even masterbating.

If your car has cruise control use it, it'll save you money. If your vehicle struggles to climb a hill get out the way. Tailgate a truck, it'll pull you up. When a truck is overtaking you, don't speed up.

I'm ranting, I know

Speeding is the least of my concerns when I see people messing about on iPads, phones, paperwork, make-up and even masterbating.

😯 😀

and even masterbating

Dirty ole tranny

Lane hoggers are among the worst driving morons out there.
Not quite as bad as the slow middle lane hoggers who magically speed up as you overtake, then overtake you as soon as you pull back in and then slow down in front of you.

Funnily enough, the bank holiday does seem to bring out extra middle lane numpties and infrequent drivers who seem more concerned about the dog being sick, the kid's portable DVD player or how to open the Haribo Starmix...

Chip = asshat or troll.

Too many crappy morons inhabit the middle lane when the inside lane is empty. Get into the inside lane or get off the road. You are self-righteous, ignorant, dangerous mongtards.

Lane hoggers are among the worst driving morons out there.
Not quite as bad as the slow middle lane hoggers who magically speed up as you overtake, then overtake you as soon as you pull back in and then slow down in front of you.

Or the ones who refuse to go in lane 3.

In the van, I sit at 55 - 60 mph, any faster and I use loads of fuel and its so noisy its unbearable.

So say there is a vehicle in front of Me whilst I'm in lane 1 and I'm catching up to it so I'm planning to move to lane 2 to pass. Lane 2 has a vehicle travelling at same speed as Me overtaking the vehicle I'm planning to overtake.

Dolly daydream comes flying up lane 2, slows behind the vehicle which is overtaking and sits at the side of Me so I can't pull out instead of them maintaining speed and moving into lane 3.

Then, when the vehicle has completed its overtake, dolly daydream then floors it staying in Lane 2 until they catch upto another vehicle then they start all over again.

Just move to lane 3 and keep your speed.......

A lot of people undertake middle land idiots on the M621/M62 now. It's safer than joining the queue of traffic nose to tail in the outside lane at 70-75mph.

I never go above 30mph in a 30mph zone now after doing my speed awareness course (which was excellent) and finding out that you are 3 times more likely to kill someone at 35mph than 30mph. It's all to do with the physics when a body hits a car. It's not nice driving to the law in that way - morons inches away from your back end getting insanely infuriated.

Middle Lane driving is normally a symptom of something else which is a complete lack of awareness of the rest of the world, then throw in a fear of changing lanes (which I've heard quite a few use as a reason).
Add in the complete lack of enforcement on motorways and it's not going to get better.
My first proper commute was back in 99 on the m1 past Leicester, in 30 miles I reckon I saw at least 2 traffic cops (normally talking to people) each way. 10 years later I could drive from Glasgow to Manchester weekly at busy times and see none.
For those that are there they can probably only deal with the top 1% of idiots so this stuff just gets ignored.

Re the people who tailgate if you drive at the speedlimit just easing off on the accelerator a tad normally makes them drop back . It does not reduce their anger but they were probably suffering some issues anyway.

I usually aim to drive at 60-65 if I can. As such I use all lanes to my advantage to try to maintain that speed.
I do love the middle lane hogged who catch me up, sit on my tail until I overtake. I then pull back into the first lane as I should. The middle lane hogger then speeds up to overtake me to then slow back down when the reach the inevitable lorry that will be taking 4 miles to do his overtake of another lorry that's travelling 1/2 a MPH slower than he can.

Meanwhile I've cruised past the middle lane hogged at 65 in lane three only to repeat the process some distance later.

I wonder what goes on in their minds really, the middle lane hogged that is. Are they happy or frustrated or plain terrified of moving lanes?

Whatever they are, they are cocks who can't drive correctly.

[i]I wonder what does on in their minds really, the middle lane hogger that is[/i]

Nothing, absolutely nothing.

I reckon they're on a level with my Spaniels

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