He needs to get out more. Abit like you.
Well i went to watch Keirin racing yesterday and then to the pub, am about to head out on the bike for a few miles now so no need for me to get out more.
While we are on the subject of giving advice how about 'be informed and learn something' or perhaps ' think before opening ones mouth on a subject you know nothing about'
HTH.
Bear in mind that this decision would have been poured over from every angle by a very senior legal team... Each option would have been examined minutely for the various legal and reputational / PR ramifications.
Yes a perfectly managed admission without actually admitting anything and removing an obligation to saying anything under oath, they probably had a high five after working that one out.
Evidently dopestrong donations have soared this last week despite the infidels, I guess thats the patriot home crowd WASP majority coming out in favour of their all American boy.
Anyone know if Johann Bruyneel has decided to fight decision - net strangely quiet on this one.
Link to R5: [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01m1kqx ]http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01m1kqx[/url]
Keep listening to the R5 radio interview past Kimmage - the pro Lance woman speaking afterwards is nauseating in her saccharin sweet hero worship of Lance. She subverts the discussion to focus on his foundation and all his positive impact against cancer and the accusation of doping is treated as just an aside.
I never really followed road cycling as a sport but I have read and listened to everything I could find in the past few months. There was always an air of a drug supported sport and this does its credibility no good at all, the USADA should go public with all their evidence.
What I find most duplicitous is the consistent claim of "never failed a test" rather that "I rode clean and have never doped" (if anyone knows of an occasion when Lance has said this please send me a link, would love to read it).
Bruyneel is fighting it and going to the arbitration panel hence why all the details [against LA] cannot be released as yet
Interestingly his [LA statement] defence mentioned
The only physical evidence here is the hundreds of controls I have passed with flying colors. I made myself available around the clock and around the world. In-competition. Out of competition. Blood. Urine. Whatever they asked for I provided. What is the point of all this testing if, in the end, USADA will not stand by it?
The bottom line is I played by the rules that were put in place by the UCI, WADA and USADA when I raced.
I know who won those seven Tours, my teammates know who won those seven Tours, and everyone I competed against knows who won those seven Tours. We all raced together. For three weeks over the same roads, the same mountains, and against all the weather and elements that we had to confront. There were no shortcuts, there was no special treatment. The same courses, the same rules. The toughest event in the world where the strongest man wins. Nobody can ever change that. Especially not Travis Tygart.
he does not actually say he never took performance enhancing drugs in his statement if you read it just that he was never caught [ which is debatable as one of the charges was that he was caught and it was covered up]
I suspect a lawyer advises so it sounds like a denial but it it is not actually a lie
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lance-armstrongs-full-statement-on-usada
Evidently dopestrong donations have soared this last week despite the infidels, I guess thats the patriot home crowd WASP majority coming out in favour of their all American boy.
It will be interesting to see the impact on his public speaking engagements. We had him at our user group meeting in Las Vegas and probably paid between $100-200K for a 45 minute speech. I can't see the big corporate boys booking him in the future, even the patriots.
And with that kind of revenue stream at risk you can see why he tried every legal move he could to get the USADA case dropped. In fact, with that much to lose you wonder why he didn't have his day in court?
Read the tread links, there are reasons it will not go to a federal court.
He knew he'd lose...this way the believers can keep believing.
Aye he did it so he can still claim he never failed a test and it was all just a witch hunt and the gullible and the believers will suck it up.
Like al says he knew he could not win and this was the best position to spin.
Whatever anyone thinks of LA he is not a quitter so why, given his legacy will be tarnished, would he quit now? seriously Hora why would LA quit if he was right, can you name any other situation where he has quit? And to quit to these people when he was right. NO WAY WOULD HE DO THIS
Would anyone let liars, fraudsters and the envious win like this?
Why cant people accept that others have a different opinion to yourself?
Why attempt to browbeat then insult?
The world is full of interesting people who have different beliefs, politics and viewpoints.
& some of them still believe in a Flat Earth.
Why cant people accept that others have a different opinion to yourself?
Because its blind ignorance that Armstrong needs to keep the cash rolling in and the luvies to continue slapping his hiney in joyful success
Why cant people accept that others have a different opinion to yourself?
theres having a different opinion and theres having a different opinion based on information that's available and how reliable you feel that information is and how you interpret it. not forgetting quoting your sources.
then theres wishful thinking and the idle fancies of the gullible and ill-informed .
Why cant people accept that others have a different opinion to yourself?
I accept you have a different view from me ..one that is wrong whilst i have one that is right , happy now 😉
Why attempt to browbeat then insult?
liers, fraudsters and cheats
Not sure why did you do it?
Personally I think it is the inability to face the reality of facts and the uncomfortable truth that a hero was in fact just another cheat rather than awesome and superhuman.
The world is full of interesting people who have different beliefs, politics and viewpoints.
True but many of them are wrong and irrational ones deserve to be challenged.
You have given up with even the façade of an argument and are just making emotional appeals now.
I made myself available around the clock and around the world. In-competition. Out of competition.
no he didn't. he was supposed to remain in view of doping control when they arrived to take an out of competition test but wandered off to take a shower for 25min when he was fully aware of the protocol.
wonder if LA will take this option? i can't see it myself•
[url= http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12738/Tygart-says-USADA-could-reduce-Armstrongs-lifetime-ban-if-he-cooperates.aspx?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+velonation_pro_cycling+%28Cycling+News+%26+Race+Results+%7C+VeloNation.com%29 ]http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12738/Tygart-says-USADA-could-reduce-Armstrongs-lifetime-ban-if-he-cooperates.[/url]
•pure idle speculation with no sound reasoning.
I am sure I remember reading somewhere that sales of Festina watches rose sharply after the cycling team scandal. "Bad Boy Chic" or something.
Talksport interview
http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/press-pass/120826/press-pass-sunday-august-26-179542
40 mins in.
v good
Its the same stw characters. Do you shout at the sky sometimes? 😆
Lance, latest have we done it [b]to death[/b] yet.
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that a hero was in fact just another cheat rather than awesome and superhuman.
He was awesome. And superhuman. I still love him.
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Its the same stw characters. Do you shout at the sky sometimes?
So you are [both] left to keep returning to the thread to post ever more desperate ad hominems ......TRAGIC
Bumpty Glitch thingy
^^^^^ Oh the ironing..... 😆
Ah a third ad hominem poster
Brilliant a few more and the evidence will be overwhelming
It was a great story. A man that fought back from deaths door and beat cancer. A disease which affects so many. Not only did he come back from that, but he then went on to become One of the most successful sportsmen in history. A story that bought hope to many people who have suffered or had someone close to them suffer from cancer.
Unfortunately as we often hear on here. If something is too good to be true then it generally is.
Froomes comment says it all.
It would have been more helpful if you had said what his comments were 💡
That Paul Kimmage comes across as a bit of a fruit cake.
The man who would never give up ... gave up
Gotta be a t-shirt in there
Probably been said before on this rather long thread.
Surely this is a battle between UCI and USADA for control of the sport and Lance is just an easy target for an organisation that wants to **** over our sport.
Sad day, but I can understand his decision, USADA are obviously not going to give up until they've ruined him anyway and wrested control from UCI.
Lance is just an easy target
If that's your idea of an easy target then I'd like to see a tough nut.
Froomes comment says it all.
British Tour de France runner-up Chris Froome said the situation has added to cycling's "negative image".
How incredibly insightful.
Surely this is a battle between UCI and USADA for control of the sport and Lance is just an easy target for an organisation that wants to **** over our sport.Sad day, but I can understand his decision, USADA are obviously not going to give up until they've ruined him anyway and wrested control from UCI.
What a strange view - USADA (US Anti-Doping Agency) can not take over world cycling in the same way that the UK ADA could not take over the European Golf Tour.
Anti-doping agencies do a number of things but one thing they do not do is take over or run individual sports.
If only hora could apply himself to road racing with the commitment that he defends lance...7 TDFs no problem.
Surely this is a battle between UCI and USADA for control of the sport and Lance is just an easy target for an organisation that wants to **** over our sport.
So they both want to take over the sport and ruin it?
Sad day, but I can understand his decision, USADA are obviously not going to give up until they've ruined him anyway and wrested control from UCI
Is this the UCI who allegedly overlooked a positive test result?
USADA - there is a clue in the US bit is an American based Olympic and US Congress recognised authority enforcing doping regs/testing and eforcement. It does not run any sport and has no interest in doing so.
yes folk have made points like this to defend LA but there is not that much substance to them .
he cheated and some dont want to accept this due to what muggomagic described so eloquently
"USADA strives to preserve the integrity of clean sport in the U.S., and to diligently work toward creating a level playing field for all athletes. At all levels, and particularly the next generation, competitors must have the confidence that their natural ability and hard work are protected, and the conviction that it's possible to compete at the highest echelon without the use of performance-enhancing drugs." Travis Tygart, USADA Chief Executive Officer"While USADA concentrates on the primary focus areas of testing, results management, research and education, it understands that healthy and collaborative interactions with athletes, the USOC, national governing bodies, international federations, other national anti-doping agencies, and WADA are critical to our success in furthering the anti-doping movement." – Tygart
Hora [ cheers for link] it is negative to the sport to the casual observer as , the majority of, seasoned watchers have known for years that everyone cheated in those days. Yes the sport would look better if everyone was clean and no one had cheated it also looks better when it catches all the cheats.
This has been a long long time coming, but at last there seems to be progress on the doping (in cycling anyway)-- now there is less reason to dope and more to stay clean, the doper is going to be ever more noticeable, and so the incentive to dope will only be for the desperate, they will be marginalised, as opposed to being the mainstream only a few years ago.
Paul Kimmage has been a crusader against doping for nearly 20 years, he was ostracised from pro-cycling for his troubles, he called armstrong a doper when it was not fashionable, now at last the next generation of cyclists will be able to race without the pressure of doping.
Wonder if any other sports will be as rigorous in looking at their 'dark' side ? anyone for golf..........
This ^^, absolutely...
Has to be a very, very good day for cycling - in the long term.
Painful in the short term, for sure, but a good time to say "out with the old"
ETA, Froome has said nothing specific about LA. Deliberately vague, IMO. Bad day for cycling, because of the bad press; or bad day for cycling because of the way LA treated ? He just doesn't say ( in that quote)
Given that Froome is in a race now with a whole bunch of known dopers and cheats, in country that does as little as possible to stop doping in sport and that is supported politically, Froome's best actions would be to be less than specific. Also given that we are relying on others to report what he said I'll reserve judgement on what is reported from anyone about this issue.
Given that some here seem pleased that LA has got what he deserved, perhaps instead of acting the bully that was/is LA give those that are gutted, maybe deluded or still want to find a reason to believe a bit of slack. There is just loads of bad shit all around this so lets not add more negative stuff here. I really sort of knew he was not what he seemed but at times I wanted to believe. What a bloody mess.
USADA's ban is working well then, Armstrong came 2nd in a mountain bike race today and donations are up by 20% on Lance's website....brilliant, well done USADA you've turned the guy into a martyr.
I walked away from club cycling many years ago. My son wont do any club races. Its full of hypocrites and self serving pompous ****ers. Any sniff of organised mtb groups I bomb burst away.
Road cycling (to me) is politics/hierachy first, cycling second so it will always be corrupt.
There will top level dopers out there now. You know it.
Do you think MTBers don't dope?
Do you think MTBers don't dope?
I know a few who do.
They don't compete though.
Do you think MTBers don't dope?
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