[Closed] Lance, latest have we done it yet.

Armstrong came 2nd in a mountain bike race today and donations are up by 20% on Lance's website

That makes me sad

USADA's ban is working well then, Armstrong came 2nd in a mountain bike race today and donations are up by 20% on Lance's website....brilliant

Sorry to selectivly quote you, but whatever you think of LA an increase in funds to a cancer charity wich has helped thousands is brilliant.

^^ was in the US, so don't be suprised in the land of the free.......

It is a cancer Awareness org-- note the name ---

stevewhyte - Member
That Paul Kimmage comes across as a bit of a fruit cake.

I would expect 20 years as a lone voice against some powerful groups has to make you a little dogmatic - from all I have read and heard, I like him,

Giving to cancer charities is fantastic. Didnt mean to sound flippant

rudebwoy - Member
It is a cancer Awareness org-- note the name ---

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So that not a worthy cause then.

Taxi25....I genuinely do think it's great, no sarcasm implied. Finding it amusing that USADA are using testimony from dopers themselves in order to shorten their own punishments to get Armstrong....also think it's a massive waste of time due to the era this occurred in, probably the most doped era.
I'm left thinking "what's the point?"....and the wider public seem to think so too.

It is part of the LA spin that they are all liars and was covered above but to note not all of the witness names are know however the evidence includes
His ex masseuse during the cortisone saddle sore fail period- not a drug cheat
The current head of the Swiss doping who will testify he tested positive for EPO- not a drug cheat
His biological passport

It is inaccurate LA PR spin and it seems to be working.

[i]So that not a worthy cause then.

Livestrong-- is a front org for armstrong's PR machine, don't be fooled by its spiel, it gives very little to research, sufferers etc, the clue is in the name-- Awareness, delve a little into his track record, its all about HIM, the super hero, --- or arrogant,bullying, fraud- those seem to be the two options, he's had his time in the sun, the chickens are coming home, time to fess up

He was awesome. And superhuman.

...and never sold anybody a dodgy set of brakes. You can almost forgive the drug taking and hypocrisy for that.

So that not a worthy cause then.

There are far better causes to give your money to. If donations to charities which actually fund cancer research were up I might be a little more impressed.

I know who won those seven Tours, my teammates know who won those seven Tours, and everyone I competed against knows who won those seven Tours

I presume he's at least a little self-aware, his team-mates were the ones going to stand up in court and testify against him (and may well still do so in the Bruyneel case), everybody else in the peleton knew what was going on. To be fair, that's quite an accurate statement... except that we're all now really confused about who won those Tours - I think it's generally agreed that in 2005 it was probably Cuddles.

I've been away. What's been going on?

Livestrong-- is a front org for armstrong's PR machine, don't be fooled by its spiel, it gives very little to research, sufferers etc, the clue is in the name-- Awareness, delve a little into his track record, its all about HIM, the super hero, --- or arrogant,bullying, fraud- those seem to be the two options, he's had his time in the sun, the chickens are coming home, time to fess up

Is there actually any evidence that this is the case?
Sorry rudebwoy; I can't just take your word from it.
I'd like a link to more than just an article written by someone who plainly doesn't like LA please.
They are VERY strong accusations IMHO. Actually fraud.

The greatape - well so far it's 75% of this forum believe LA is a liar and a bully with no place in modern sport. 25% would walk over hot coals to spend a night with said lair and bully no matter what witnesses will say

If I broke into a car and 10 people saw me and gave evidence I would be convicted. This doesnt seem to the deity we call Lance Armstrong and his drug taking

There is a theory that a sports scientist has written that I dare not mention as its a very sensitive subject but it involves the cancer he beat. I won't post the link because it's a very sticky subject that I refuse to be associated with (in case I offend someone)

I'm obliged

There's a fair number of articles regarding livestrong and what it spends it's money on they freely admit that it doesn't include actual cancer research but instead is about empowerment,funding of some (external) support organisations and large amounts of positive PR. I prefer to give my money to Cancer Research, individual hospices and charities/ organisations that do things that have an impact on those I know (or knew).

Sorry rudebwoy; I can't just take your word from it.

http://www.livestrong.org/What-We-Do/Our-Approach/Where-the-Money-Goes

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=6570

http://blog.livestrong.org/2012/03/05/livestrong-celebrates-four-star-rating-by-charity-navigator/

The US charity rating peeps think its very kosher indeed.

A rubbish journo seems to disagree though;

http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/athletes/lance-armstrong/Its-Not-About-the-Lab-Rats.html?page=1

http://www.livestrong.org/What-We-Do/Our-Approach/Where-the-Money-Goes

Seems to be focussed on support and guidance rather than pure research. All have a place where cancer is concerned imho.

[quote=International Richard ]If I broke into a car and 10 people saw me and gave evidence I would be convicted.
Or, perhaps more accurately...

If 10 suspected car thieves were told they'd be immune from prosecution if they testified that I was a car thief.....

If 10 suspected car thieves were told they'd be immune from prosecution if they testified that I was a car thief.

Also see post above about other none drug takers also witnesses.

druidh - Or, perhaps more accurately...
If 10 suspected car thieves were told they'd be immune from prosecution if they testified that I was a car thief.....

Your either not aware of the full story

Also see post above about other none drug takers also witnesses.

or you are being biased with your opinions

> If 10 suspected car thieves were told they'd be immune from prosecution if they testified that I was a car thief.....

This just shows how well the Armstrong camp's spin is working. How would you apply this, for instance, to Emma O'Reilly?

As with all cheats, they get their comeuppance, this one seems to be burying his head in the sand at the moment, this is the beginning of the end for LA and also the UCI who have connived with him, Kimmage and walsh should be lauded,all power to their pens!

there are going to be a lot of people offering and selling news to those who want it over the next few months. I reckon lots of stuff is going to come out of the woodwork, although I reckon some will also get buried.

As America’s leading independent charity evaluator, Charity Navigator works to advance a [b]more efficient and responsive philanthropic marketplace [/b]by evaluating the financial health and accountability and transparency of America’s largest charities. Charity Navigator guides intelligent giving by helping people give to charity with confidence.

For 15 years, the Lance Armstrong Foundation has worked to improve the lives of people affected by cancer. Today we celebrate an honor that recognizes not only the important work we do, but the open and transparent way in which we do it. We couldn’t be more proud.

Thank you to all of our donors, to those that will donate today and in the future. Know that your donations go where they should- to provide direct services to cancer survivors, take on the sigma that prevents people from getting the care they need and empower communities to take action against the world’s leading cause of death.

It is quite unclear [to me at least] what it actually does tbh
WTF does empower communities to take action against actually mean
I do believe they pay rather large sums for perosnal appearnaces by someone ...anyone care to guess at who?
They had a confeerence in Europe somewhere to raise cancer awareness IN EUROPE FFS that is like trying to raise awareness for religion or footbal who has not heard of it? The travel costs and theorganisation took quite a lot of money...guess who the guest speaker was and how much his expenses were.

IMHO LA has blurred the line deliberatedly btween himself [ the yellow bands for example] and the charity.
TBH if he cured cancer it is no reason to ovberlook the fact he was a drugs cheat

Druid - Lazy lazy troll, what with this and on the Repack rider thread you really are after one of the vacant BH troll slots 🙄

I do believe they pay rather large sums for perosnal appearnaces by someone ...anyone care to guess at who?

Come on JY. Let's have some evidence mate.
There's plenty showing that his charity is not only above board but actually transparent and effective, very very little to the contrary.

.guess who the guest speaker was and how much his expenses were.

How much were his expenses?

TBH if he cured cancer it is no reason to ovberlook the fact he was a drugs cheat

TBH if he cured cancer it is no reason to ovberlook the fact he was a drugs cheat

Ironically, with hindsight it would probably have been better for everyone, inc LA, if he had just let himself get popped by the USADA for bio passport irregularities (or actuall evidence of EPO/transfusions) when he came out of retirement.

LA could have kept his TDF titles and his legacy by claiming he was an old man who resorted to doping only to reclaim past glories. He could even have gained by becoming an anti drugs advocate/refored cheater a la Millar and Vaughters.

The USADA would have got their man.

The public at large would have been happy with that story as it allowed them to keep their hero.

Cycling would benefit as it would demonstrate they were catching the cheaters.

Only a few knowlegable but bitter haters would have wanted more blood and stripping of titles won when everyone was on drugs.

And best of all we could all move on.

But no LA had to f it all up for everyone with his massive ego.

Maybe not but raising even $1m for good causes goes further than 10, no 20 tour wins in my book

It's interesting to read how much some on here hate LA. They seem as blind as the defenders (of the LA) to any other view. LA really does attract oppsites forces in human nature. At the moment some of the LA supporters are coming across as better people not least because some still think there is good in LA.
Someone once said "the person in the room you hate the most is the one that's most like you". Can't help thinking that there is truth to that on here. Come now chaps lets play nice, some of the info and liks in this thread have been very informative.

what I hate about the whole debacle is that it takes soooo long to get to a result - is that the fault of Armstrong trying to buy himself time? or the fault of all those queuing up to pin something on him?
I just wish it would go away and leave cycling to be the great sport that it is.

At the moment some of the LA supporters are coming across as better people not least because some still think there is good in LA.

aye LA loves to raise the cancer shield whenever anyone says anything bad about him

Junkie, you're letting it all get to you - calm down, sup a beer, here's one, just for you
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Best save it for LA I would have thought.
Funny but i dont hate LA whatever you or other thinks
What I dislike is the way an obvious cheat has got away with it [ his first tour win he failed the drugs test- always was a cheat, bullied others for se****ng out, sued for libel [ suppressing others from speaking out], and managed to convince enough folk that even now they defend the indefensible or just mention his chairty achievements rather than his cheating, year of lies and profiting from the myth and the deceit.
It is a genuine LA tactic to change things round from drug controversy to mention his chaorty work as it does lok distatesful to question this.
It is not he best charity I can think of but clearly it is admirable.
Ps he raised the shield on his statement

Today I turn the page. I will no longer address this issue, regardless of the circumstances. I will commit myself to the work I began before ever winning a single Tour de France title: serving people and families affected by cancer, especially those in underserved communities. This October, my Foundation will celebrate 15 years of service to cancer survivors and the milestone of raising nearly $500 million. We have a lot of work to do and I'm looking forward to an end to this pointless distraction. I have a responsibility to all those who have stepped forward to devote their time and energy to the cancer cause. I will not stop fighting for that mission. Going forward, I am going to devote myself to raising my five beautiful (and energetic) kids, fighting cancer, and attempting to be the fittest 40-year old on the planet.

yes it does not look nice to say this about him- its why he doe sit he sure does PR well. He cheats , issues stroppy statement when he knows he will loose in court/cannot defend his lies anymore and the donations go up...He sure knows PR

Let go of this I reckon 😀 Its not like any of us get to change anything. Opinions have been stated and the [i]evidence[/i] has been considered.

I think it will be the UCI who will get to write/re-write the history of [i]le tour[/i].

At the moment some of the LA supporters are coming across as better people not least because some still think there is good in LA.

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There is good in everyone brother junkyard, even you and Lance.
Shall we put the chocolate digestives away now?
When the evidence really starts to come out from USADA, that when things will really start to be sad.

aye LA loves to raise the cancer shield whenever anyone says anything bad about him

Is it 7 TdF victories? 😛

I dont think LA is evil and I can see why he did it- both take the drugs and deny it.

Agreed lets leave it for when the UCI , WADA abd USUDA are arguing/bun fighting and I am sure all opinions will have moved massively by then.

I think it will be the UCI who will get to write/re-write the history of le tour.

Oh god I hope not. I was hoping that the fall out from this may lead to a clear out of old rubbish from the UCI and a new more honest regime in place for the future, although now I have written it down it does seem a somewhat fanciful hope.

"Oh god I hope not. I was hoping that the fall out from this may lead to a clear out of old rubbish from the UCI and a new more honest regime in place for the future, although now I have written it down it does seem a somewhat fanciful hope."

What a nice thought, it's international sport there are no honest people just degree's of corruption.

It is not he best charity I can think of but clearly it is admirable