Sit next to?? What about [i]looking[/i]?
I would try rereading what I said
I did try. Looks like you grouped touching knee, pinching arse and grabbing pussy into one group and touching shoulder into another and made the two groups different in severity.touching someone shoulder whilst saying excuse me is not the same as touching their knee is not the same as pinching their arse is not the same as grabbing their pussy
Is that one of your extremes of hyperbole?the press release may also be indicative that females still feel they have to dsay it was ok
the press release may also be indicative that females still feel they have to dsay it was ok
Is that one of your extremes of hyperbole?
It's the ultimate conspiracy theory argument - "well they would say that, wouldn't they"
That comes next, just before thinking about someone.Sit next to?? What about looking?
We can all watch the video and decide for ourselves whether she was put put by it or not.It's the ultimate conspiracy theory argument - "well they would say that, wouldn't they"
I did try
then you failed and epically poorly.
I said this
touching someone shoulder whilst saying excuse me is not the same as touching their knee is not the same as pinching their arse is not the same as grabbing their pussy
to which you said i said this
Touching their knee whilst sitting next to them during a conversation is the same as pinching their arse or grabbing their pussy? What a strange opinion to hold.
Its impossible to argue your interpretation of what i said is anything other than completely wrong- its the complete opposite and I fail to see how anyone could make such a basic error.
I am actually a little embarrassed for you but i expect you to keep digging rather than just apologise/accept the error.
[i]Junkyard said[/i]
whatabouttery
straw man
hyperbole
almost a Junky full house!
i shall say no more on it and lets get back to the proper issue which is can we sit next to each other in [b]pubic [/b]
hello Freud
almost for sure but it would be easier if folk tried to negate my arguments rather than just played me.
You want to argue my interpretation is flawed and they are right? Didi really say that ?
Was this place always like this surely we used to have folk who could make cogent and rational arguments ?
Only one female posted in this thread?
Only one female posted in this thread?
Now now, dear, the men are arguing about how we should treat women. No need for a female perspective, move along.
The whole thing is really disturbing. I mean we all know that some times people do sexual favours for thier own reasons, but that's on them.
I don't think that's what this is, though, it's people in positions of authority taking advantage of others.
I really rate spacey as an actor, but I don't think I'll be able to watch any of his material ever again.
Only one female posted in this thread?
What’s your take on the Adam Sandler thing?
Now now, dear, the men are arguing about how we should treat women.
I'm pretty sure spacey was getting racey with an underage boy.
I'm pretty sure spacey was getting racey with an underage boy.
I know, that's kinda my point, that this thread about something potentially quite disturbing got derailed by two men talking about touching women's knees.
Also, lovely bit of prose.
Maybe or maybe you are bad at communicating in writing. I don't know, happy to consider both possibilities.then you failed and epically poorly.
I never said you said this. The absence of the words "you said this" should tell you that. The placement of the question mark and the comment afterwards relates to what I took as your meaning. I refer to my first response in this post.to which you said i said this
Again I refer to my first reponse. Perhaps if you wrote the following instead I wouldn't have made such a basic error.Its impossible to argue your interpretation of what i said is anything other than completely wrong- its the complete opposite and I fail to see how anyone could make such a basic error.
Maybe I don't write elegant prose like you seem to think you do, but save your embarrassment.touching someone shoulder whilst saying excuse me is not the same as touching their knee, which is not the same as pinching their arse, which is not the same as grabbing their pussy
Again, maybe the error is yours, I have little authority on the subject of grammar and written English, however you fail to convince me you do. If anyone else has and they can confirm I made such an error, then yes I will happily retract and apologise. Imagine that, eh?I am actually a little embarrassed for you but i expect you to keep digging rather than just apologise/accept the error.
[quote=cinnamon_girl ]Only one female posted in this thread?
#Whataboutery
😀 Laterz cos it's an interesting conundrum.
What’s your take on the Adam Sandler thing?
Of course he was out of order but notice that he didn't place his hand on the knee of the other female sitting next to him. Why's that? He's clearly a creep and probably a perv.
On the other hand he's in a world where men used to have all the power but that has now changed. Except he's not noticed.
Because she wasn't the one he was referring to being nominated together for a Golden Globe?but notice that he didn't place his hand on the knee of the other female sitting next to him. Why's that?
You think there was something sexual in it?He's clearly a creep and probably a perv.
The comments section of this piece makes interesting reading...
https://jezebel.com/what-exactly-did-kevin-spacey-do-on-the-set-of-house-of-1819971404
Because she wasn't the one he was referring to being nominated together for a Golden Globe?
OK.
You think there was something sexual in it?
I would imagine he enjoyed placing his hand on her knee on several occasions but was clearly oblivious to her reactions. Who knows whether he gets off on doing that when he knows he's likely to get away with it.
Why's that? He's clearly a creep and probably a perv.
Did you see how long and often he put his hand on Dustin Hoffmans knee, for much longer and much more often.
Because she wasn't the one he was referring to being nominated together for a Golden Globe?
precisely - why else would he have said "just like you"
What about where Emma ruffled Adams hair, also getting into his space that he didn't invite her into :
This forum is full of pathetic hand-ringers and virtue signallers.
To take your imaginings and who knowses and label a guy as being clearly a creep on the back of them is pretty poor form. Don't know why that would be considered more acceptable than touching someones knee briefly during a normal conversation that had nothing of a sexual slant to it.I would imagine he enjoyed placing his hand on her knee on several occasions but was clearly oblivious to her reactions. Who knows whether he gets off on doing that when he knows he's likely to get away with it.
I would imagine he enjoyed placing his hand on her knee on several occasions but was clearly oblivious to her reactions.
I didn't see any change in her body position or body language afterwards that would indicate she had been offended, nor in the motions she made at the time. That would tie with the statement she has made since.
Did he also enjoy touching Dustin Hoffmans knee, or was it just an empathetic gesture ?
To take your imaginings and who knowses and label a guy as being clearly a creep on the back of them is pretty poor form.
pretty poor form is putting it mildly in my book.
This forum is full of pathetic hand-ringers and virtue signallers.
Plenty of unreconstructed males too for balance. The type that have lots of first dates and very few second ones because they needed a rule book to tell them when they can touch someone and when they can’t, such is their poor grasp of context in a social situation.
Thankfully only a few people that use the phrase “virtue signallers” though.
The majority of folk are aware of boundaries. Thank goodness.
Look, touching anyone in an overly familiar way is not on. Obviously, years of patriarchy have added an extra dynamic when it's a man touching a woman in an overly familiar way. Does this make Adam Sandler a creep and pervert, probably not, definitely a bit insensitive and touchy, but hardly a pervert.
Quite why we're discussing this on a thread about a man allegedly sexually assaulting teenage boys is beyond me, because the two things could not possibly be equated.
To take your imaginings and who knowses and label a guy as being clearly a creep on the back of them is pretty poor form. Don't know why that would be considered more acceptable than touching someones knee briefly during a normal conversation that had nothing of a sexual slant to it.
We need more women in this thread, if only to share our tales of sexual predators, inappropriate behaviour, misogyny etc etc.
We need more women in this thread, if only to share our tales of sexual predators, inappropriate behaviour, misogyny etc etc.
This thread about a man preying on boys?
If the Adam Sandler clip was about any of those things then you'd have a good point.We need more women in this thread, if only to share our tales of sexual predators, inappropriate behaviour, misogyny etc etc.
How about Adam Sandler treating men and women equally - he touches Dustin Hoffmans knee, he touches Claire's knee.
I thought that is what we are suppossed to be aiming for.
I really feel sorry for Adam Sandler at this point and not because his films have gone down hill since Happy Gilmore. What Weinstein did is sickening, if Spacey is guilty then ditto. Sandler, I really don’t understand the fuss. The woman he touched didn’t care according to her statement and he did the same thing to Dustin Hoffman.
Plenty of unreconstructed males too for balance. The type that have lots of first dates and very few second ones because they needed a rule book to tell them when they can touch someone and when they can’t, such is their poor grasp of context in a social situation.
that's funny.
Is opening a door for a lady currently frowned upon, or not? Is it not a form of micro-misogyny, or even misogyny?
Same with guiding a lady to her chair by touching her, I don't ever recall seeing a lady doing that to a man.
If you regard the sexes as equal, then why would you do such a thing?
Dates that want you to do that must not really be wanted to be treated as equal. And look at the popularity of the 50 shades books.
After this Adam Sandler debacle the rules of society might well change and in a few years time people will bring up some footage of someone in the public eye guiding someone to their chair with a condescending touch, a bit like Trump does to his wife.
that's funny.
Cheers.
I didn't see any change in her body position or body language afterwards that would indicate she had been offended, nor in the motions she made at the time.
Who knows why you have troubles on first dates...you read reactions so well.
How about Adam Sandler treating men and women equally - he touches Dustin Hoffmans knee, he touches Claire's knee.
One is a woman he has never met the other is a friend of 20 years standing
DO you need someone to explain why the levels of intimacy may be different?
Please stop using slippery slope fallacies to make your point. Not touching women inappropriately wont lead to an end of chivalry not least because a chivalrous man would not dream of touching inappropriately
Re: Adam sander on G Norton... Bit late to reply... but....
Lets put it a way that some of you may understandA homosexual* man is doing that to you - you still ok with it ?
Honestly... yes. I’d be totally fine with that, in that situation.
I’m maybe a bit odd, but I don’t mind being touched, wouldn’t bother me if it was a 20 year old supermodel (male or female) or someone old enough to be my great grandmother (and anyone in between)
I honestly think it’s weird to find that level of contact anything other than acceptable in that situation.
CITE please. Credible source of claim. How do you know they hadn't spent 2hrs together in the green room pre show and got on like a house on fire touching each other on the knee like there was no tomorrow?One is a woman he has never met
whist you may have a pedantry point [ perhaps i should have said knew less well] but the fact remains that we all act differently with friends of 20 years than folk we just met which, as you well know, is th epoint and you cannot negate it.
Secondly surely even you and turner can see dustin reacts considerably differently from her- even if you wish to argue she is fine with it which is not true.
Neal we are all ok with different levels if you are tactile you cannot assume the other person is and surely basic manner would require you to look at them and read their reaction rather than repeat when clearly brushed off.
Who knows why you have troubles on first dates...you read reactions so well.
I certainly can't read as much out of a youtube video as you, including all the extra bits you add in :
We are obviously watching a different clip she goes to move it he responds by putting it back on and she has to move it again
she did not move his hand either time...
even if you wish to argue she is fine with it which is not true.
why do you insist she is not fine with it - she has made a statement saying she was fine with it. You are making stuff up again...
Also Graham has deliberately made an environment to encourage a higher level of intimacy between the guests than in some shows.
You can CITE a source for that also. How dare you use your white male privlege to decide how a woman is feeling despite the statement released on her behalf to the contrary. Maybe she shouldn't worry her pretty little head about the whole situation, Junkyard is here to speak for her, afterall she must be too weak to say what she really feels. 🙄even if you wish to argue she is fine with it which is not true.
surely basic manner would require you to look at them and read their reaction rather than repeat when clearly brushed off.
when you are sitting that close to them on the sofa then you can't really see their reaction, and also it was not a clear brush off, mainly because nothing was brushed.
She had to follow his hand to where he had put it back on his leg and she lightly touched it.
If she was indicating to 'keep it there and don't do it again' then I would have thought she would have pressed down on his hand to indicate it should stay there, not the fleeting tap she gave it, which prompted him to remember the attempt at empathy over the award and the 'just like you' comment.
You can CITE a source for that also. How dare you use your white male privlege to decide how a woman is feeling despite the statement released on her behalf to the contrary. Maybe she shouldn't worry her pretty little head about the whole situation, Junkyard is here to speak for her, afterall she must be to weak to say what she really feels.
precisely.
**** me are you ****s still arguing?
Was just about to say! Is there really anything new to discuss?? 'kin hell.
