[Closed] Katie Hopkins tweets....

I think the communication medium, in this case twitter, deflects some of the issues.

Yes it was crass and insensitive but in the grand scheme of things it's not the worst thing that's ever happened.

However, imagine she'd written that tweet on a postcard instead and sent it to the family of the Ebola patient. Pretty much straight up harassment in that case, but somehow because its distributed to a wide audience via twitter, some of the impact on those that should be truly offended by it, is lost.

Either way she's an absolute attention seeking cow. Best thing to do is ignore her. She revels in the attention.

However, imagine she'd written that tweet on a postcard instead and sent it to the family of the Ebola patient. Pretty much straight up harassment in that case, but somehow because its distributed to a wide audience via twitter, some of the impact on those that should be truly offended by it, is lost.

The problem with a Tweet is it can be both, like sending a poison pen letter and starting a billboard campaign at the same time. Like I said before, Hopkins tweet has been carefully crafted to keep her out of bother while having the maximum malicious effect. Where prosecutions have been brought its because either out of pointed malice, of idiocy that has the same malicious effect, you can directly harass someone and create an audience for that harassment while you do it.

The problem with a Tweet is its both, its like sending a poison pen letter and starting a billboard campaign at the same time

Agreed and that's what gets missed. For all the mock outrage, people forget that the message gets to those that actually matter

On a perhaps more important sideline, could anyone who reports anything said on Twitter to the police for being offensive please be given a fixed penalty notice for wasting police time!

WPT requires DPP consent so they wouldn't be eligible for a FPN! Know what you mean though 😀

I have had a few friends share her comments on facebook through pro-independence pages. What worries me is that an idiots comments have brought out an anti-English sentiment in many posts. Comments like hers are manna from heaven for nationalist websites. I have seen
"English cow", "English ****", "this is what most people South of the border think of Scotland", as well as "is it a wonder most Scots don't like the English".
None of these comments will be pulled up however. I have only heard of her following this anti-Scottish outburst, and wonder where was the lynch mob when she was offending Muslims in Scotland, the overweight in Scotland, the poor of Scotland, or Palestinians living in Scotland. The answer is that none of these help bring up the warming glow of anti-Englishness many hold dear but deny to admit.

This is just. Continuation of the top gear thread. Pointless under celeb shocks audience to get attention shocker...

I have only heard of her following this anti-Scottish outburst, and wonder where was the lynch mob when she was offending Muslims in Scotland, the overweight in Scotland, the poor of Scotland, or Palestinians living in Scotland. The answer is that none of these help bring up the warming glow of anti-Englishness many hold dear but deny to admit.

This is more a result of social media bubbles than anything else. I reckon if you had a lot of friends who were members of groups who were offended previously you would of seen the same reaction. I also think it's an anti English **** sentiment and not a more general anti everyone English view. Look at the reaction Farage got up in Scotland.

I disagree utterly with Farage, however he appeals to a portion of the populace disaffected with a mainstream political establishment making rules against the wishes of a self determining nation with different aspirations from another. Does this sound familiar?

This is just. Continuation of the top gear thread. Pointless under celeb shocks audience to get attention shocker...

She's not even a real Hop.

I disagree utterly with Farage, however he appeals to a portion of the populace disaffected with a mainstream political establishment making rules against the wishes of a self determining nation with different aspirations from another. Does this sound familiar?

I'm not going to turn this into another indy thread, the point was that he got called an English **** too. People took offense because he's a ****, not because he's English.

Why then should the word English be used? Bill Cosby may be a **** for what he is being accused of. Why would his colour also be a point of prosecution. See where I am coming from? His colour does not insinuate crime, but notice that he is black! Typical nationalist behaviouer..

Shoe and other foot to the nats.

FWIW, the guy who had a go at Farage when he was in Edinburgh and told him to."go home" is...
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The problem with this enfht is that it clearly allows nationalists to use this as ammunition to the seperatist gun. Again I ask where were the crowd when an offence was being caused to Scotlands poor , Palestinians, overweight or Scotlands Muslims. The undeniable truth is that the Che Guevara t-shirt gets put on whenever it fits. At this time of year that is a struggle when following the referendum result, the closest some get to social justice is giving an all expenses trip to Dignitas for our pensioners, to allow the young to decide Scotland's future.

Come on scotroutes. I give you credit for understanding that all people don't feel a sense of Scottish Nationalism as some. You surely understand that the person that extolled the superiority of Germany wasn't actually
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Your point?

athgray please don't let the minority of idiots wind you up, or you will end up like captainflasheart

mushrooms. I know that we are talking of minorities, however I feel that it will not take much more than the scant evidence being presented to persuade a few % to switch to independence. The problem is that when polls are close a minority make a difference. I have no problem with CFH. Sounds like he would be interested in hearing the virtues of good single malt followed by a good bit of trail blazing somewhere in these isles. What is the problem?

I thought she was a "character" that someone made up, not an actual real life genuine ****? Why are people getting so ****ed off?

Believe me aphex_2k that is what I initially thought, until it brought out the true sentiment in people. Trust me, this is a sprinkle of fuel to the fire of those believing Scots are above this, worthy of something better than the rest. Look out for more anti-Scottish comments by z-list English celebrities, brought to you by a well organised pro-independence social media intent on raising the ire of fellow Scots against a pro UK mainstream press.

Surely we can join as a community to deride her views on Palestinians as "Filthy Rodents", although I understand this means reaching out beyond a parochial Scottish tainted view of the World.

So she is a failed apprentice who opened her legs in a field to some married guy (on camera) and just talks pure shite to get a rise from people.
I have more respect for dog shit in the street than this sad excuse for a human.
Ignore the bint and she will (hopefully) disappear.

[quote=scotroutes said]FWIW, the guy who had a go at Farage when he was in Edinburgh and told him to."go home" is...
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TJ ? 🙂

Would you? I would for 10k (after tax & expenses)

ATG - most sensible Scots are perfectly able to see through Katie Hopkins, after all they saw though the other bloke well enough and they both talk bllx. Why rise to her? She adds nothing of value except £s to her bank balance. Best ignored.

Again I ask where were the crowd when an offence was being caused to Scotlands poor , Palestinians, overweight or Scotlands Muslims.

The circles don't intersect. When she says something anti-Scottish, then lots of Scottish people hear about it. When she says something anti-Palestinian, it doesn't get passed around Scottish people. I'd barely heard of her.

I'd never heard of her, had to google.

Seems utterly forgettable tbh.

Oh come on - if you find those comments offensive, you must dedicate little flowers, not the gnarr core STW heroes that I thought you all were! 😉

Total waste of police time. In fact it's so obviously a waste of police time they should have told the "complainants" there was nothing to investigate straight away..

teamhurtmore, I have no problem with Katie Hopkins. As I say I had no knowledge of who she was until this episode. I have an issue with the fact this has been spread by people following pro independence websites. There is nothing benign about this. The attempt is to sew seeds of anti-Englishness into people. This is just a bit more fuel to give to people in a couple of years when we have another once in a lifetime referendum.

I don't watch the apprentice, but I am sort of aware of Katie hopkins and how she got her start as a "payed to spout" Gob-shite.

Perhaps it's the limited circles I move in but I haven't met anyone who likes her or the views expressed by her.

But it must all appeal to someone, I'm guessing it's mostly the swivel eyed, slighty more to the right of right-wing, frustrated, middle class, middleaged white Males... But that might be my own prejudices colouring my opinions.

Ultimate she's more a symptom of our general social/political/moral malaise than a cause of it, one of many ostensibly pointless self promoting wind sacks tasking up valuable bandwidth.

I propose that we play them at their own game, form and third, unelected house: Here "professional bloggers", click-bait writers, big brother runner ups and Russell Brand can all "debate" (waffle loudly at one another). Obviously we need to make them belive they're having an impact so periodically we get them to vote on some topic or another (we can just ignore any outcome) and there will always be lots of visible cameras pointing at them just to flatter the ego's.

But ultimately this "House of the self important" is merely a device to keep irrelevant morons out of the way. That is my recommendation.

Would ' professional trollers' have a purpose or market without the 'professionally offended' who jump up and down in apoplectic fits of horror and rage every time someone says something that remotely upsets their (often public funded) apple cart?

ATG, well they are as bad as she is and can be ignored in the same way

Would ' professional trollers' have a purpose or market without the 'professionally offended' who jump up and down in apoplectic fits of horror and rage every time someone says something that remotely upsets their (often public funded) apple cart?

Was with you up until the "public funded" bit, because I'm not sure what you mean - it's usually religions who have the most fun being professionally offended.

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teamhurtmore, I have no problem with Katie Hopkins.

Its a free country.. If you wish to support a bigotted, racist, weightist, eliteist homewrecking skank like her.... Go straight ahead.

Would ' professional trollers' have a purpose or market without the 'professionally offended' who jump up and down in apoplectic fits of horror and rage every time someone says something that remotely upsets their (often public funded) apple cart?

FWIW that is a beautiful troll I bet you are rather proud of it.

TBH professionally offended is a weak attack often used by folk who are knowingly being rude to folk they dont like/respect and that was a classic example - to be fair this might be one as well but I rarely reach your heights/depths.

I have just googled her.

Very strange, seems to be on a crusade to fight fat people. Is that more fashionable than attacking muslims

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/11318743/How-to-ignore-Katie-Hopkins-forever.html

ATG; Scottish people get upset about her comments and it is anti English sentiment? Who mentioned race and nationality first,WoS or Hopkins? Something of a hole in your argument that single issue pro Indy groups should highlight her comments about the other nationalities etc. comedy gold there, or your increasingly displayed desperation to suggest the continuing increase in support for SNP is down to some sort of social media brainwashing. Actually it's the season of goodwill, so I am sorry that things haven't worked out here the way you (and thm,Zulu, Jam etc)wanted.

gavstorie - it is possible to not have a problem with someone without agreeing or condoning their point of view you know. Tbe real world isn't black and white.

I disagree with what she says and how she says it, but as I believe in free speech that doesn't incite hatred or violence, I am content to let her get on with it. Partly because the more she comes out with, the more daft she reveals herself to be, and mainly because trying to restrict these idiots gives them publicity they don't deserve, and starts to set a potentially worrying trend about controlling what people can say or think.

Society, media and these idiots themselves need to learn that they serve little useful purpose and are best ignored.

duckman - so I am sorry that things haven't worked out here the way you (and thm,Zulu, Jam etc)wanted.

Did I miss something?

Worked out pretty much as expected. If AS had retired gracefully instead of attempting back door politics, it would have been almost perfect. Still can't have everything....

Duckman, social media is a powerful tool. Perhaps if the creaters of these site cared as much about social and ethnic groups rather than just Scots we may have got rid of her sooner. The problem these people have with highlighting her attacks on Muslims, is that just goes to pull people together across countries rather than divide.

You may wish your World to be that narrow, but I do not. These sites with tens of thousands of followers who think they are hard done by due to the undemocratic institutions of OTHER people. People across a border you wish to create. Cartoons similar to those from the 30's depicting national stereotypes and jingoistic posts following a photo of a lion and a saltire IMO should be held in the same regard as UKIP.

She is a tool, but it's the whole "seeking to be offended" thing that makes me laugh.

Rampant Scottish nationalist sits having his porridge at breakfast.
Sees in paper that Katie somebody or other has said something disparaging about Scotland on twitter.
Rampant Scottish nationalist registers for twitter, whatever that is.
Finds relevant tweet.
Is offended.

Best thing to do with Katie Hopkins is laugh at her or ignore her, no matter how offensive her comments are she should be free to make them. She is a vile and narrow minded bigot, but hey with me being " a rampant Scottish nationalist" somebody will be along to tell me I'm a small minded antidemocratic bigot.

@duckman - the referendum worked out as I hoped it was a decisive 55-45 No. The Better Together got in a bit of a flap about the opinion polls so promised more devolution than they needed too but that's a small issue. As AS said this was a once in a lifetime opportunity for Scotland, Scotland chose No.

There is far more nasty anti English nonsense coming out of Scotland than the rubbish Hopkins posted posted in Twitter.

Worked out pretty much as expected.

decisive 55-45 No

Decisive - settling an issue; producing a definite result.

There is far more nasty anti English nonsense coming out of Scotland than the rubbish Hopkins posted posted in Twitter

She is an idiot. There are plenty idiots in this world. Move along, nothing to see here, she'll go away if we all ignore her. There is however a problem with the logic - see there second sentence. 🙁

Data is my specialty JY, you just don't like it when I point out analysis or interpretations which doesn't suit. As an aside did you see that French economist Piketty he shows how the gap between the rich and poor is far far narrower now than it was 100 years ago, the gap is starting to widen again but it will be 50 years or more before its as it was in the early 1900's

I have no issue with you holding on to the the hope of independence, we all have dreams. AS and the SNP had their chance, they blew it as they had no real plan. They had only an emotional argument. At $55 a barrel Scotland would be daffy ducked and as time goes on and the oil diminishes the economic implications of independence get bleaker and bleaker.