[Closed] Just unbelievable! (Mtn Rescue content)

Yeah its ****in nuts - those guys should be bloody ashamed of themselves & made to pay the cost of the call-out & named & shamed in true Daily Wail style! Nail em up I say! 😈

One too many kicks to the head, methinks!!

is it ok to use the word retarded in this instance?

Yep - they should foot the bill. Incredible.
A friend of mine volunteers in the Brecon Beacons and we were out once walking our dogs and spotted a woman about to head off up Pen-y-Fan in high heels.
Friend - "I wouldn't go up in those shoes, if I were you."
Woman - "It's OK, they're only old ones."
He 'gently' let her know that he gave up his time free of charge to possibly endanger himself to get people off mountains when they are injured or stuck and he'd not be answering his mobile if there were any reports of a high-heel-induced sprained ankle.
She said she'd never met anyone as rude and headed off regardless. Still, some people always know best.

A good push and he'd been fine.

Some Boggies were on Snowden and saw them on the way up. Stuart said "When they say martial arts enthusiasts I take it they only watch it on TV as they were all quite [hate speech expunged]."

Is it ok to laugh at this or is the p/c brigade about 😀

The group from Coventry had been attempting to see how many martial arts enthusiasts could climb the mountain at one time.

So is the record for martial artists on Snowdon only 6? (plus one in a wheelchair?)

Is there a record for, for instance, Polish plumbers climbing the mountain? People called Alisdair with a D? Should I go on?

Why are not people, in the know, more aggresive?
Seriously.
I told a woman on Snowdon not 2x weekend's ago she was wholly wrongly dressed.
It was warm, she was bloon' gross, she was wearing jeans and wearing her son's Tesco's (?) ski jacket.
I was wearing shorts.
So it's a fine line TBH.

Advise, offer up your own opinions, give reasons even. But don't tell them they're in the wrong or they're endangering others unless it's blatently obvious, in which case you take the team leaderds to one side.

Then you have to consider taking control. If you have mountain qualifications and you are confident you know said group are going the wrong way (up), even thoough my own qualification was 20+ years ago, and I know Eric's mauscript side-ways, I'd step in. I am happy to fight my corner both pysically and in the courts.

Agreed it is pretty dumb thing to do but it doesnt say where they left him and for how long for does it. Typical media reporting.

If they left him for 10 minutes to nip up to the top and back down that is one thing vs abandoning him in the wilderness if that is what they did. Their biggest mistake was not stopping sooner before they were too knackered to extricate themselves.

As for paying for it MR is a volunteer organisation in the UK (having been a member).

isnt there a curfew for wheeled off road transport on snowdon??

Martial arts is not what it used to be.

The school teachers I've encountered are just about the physical and no brains or values.

One could have stayed with the guy.

It bloody down hill why couldn't he freewheel down MTFU. Pah wheres Chuck Norris when you need him.

I once saw a woman up the top of the cobbler in high heals. She managed to get back down ok too. There are worse choices of footwear for climbing hills. Think about it.

Over here they can make you pay if you call them out due to your own stupidity. It must be hard where to draw the line, e.g. people often tell me I'm crazy for riding where I do, but from what I hear you have to be particularly stupid to get charged for your extraction... like the Kung Fu Muppets and the wheelchair.

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There is a glimpse of the guy at the end of this slowed down snippet caught on my handlebar shakeycam....

one of our lot reckoned the martial art may have been Sumo...

ON the two occasions I have mentioned to folk that they may be "not best prepared" in the hills I have been roundly abused.

I saw a women trekking up Snowdon when it was knee deep in snow wearing fashion boots and a pashmina. She turned to me and said I'm a bit stuck. We helped her down to the dry point, using the foot holes we'd made.

My mother in law regularly climbs Scottish mountains wearing M&S flatties (not just any flatties...). The first time I noticed this was during a quick jaunt up Clach-na-Ben. I felt a bit put out - my wife and I were decked out in full on Scottish winter attire, including hiking boots.

Nary a blister, nary a complaint and she's done several other long walks since, wearing the same shoes. She does have hiking boots, but saves them for wet weather...

It bloody down hill why couldn't he freewheel down MTFU. Pah wheres Chuck Norris when you need him.

Chuck Norris doesn't go to the mountains. The mountains come to Chuck Norris.

did the chap in the wheelchair *want* to be carried up there?

"Hey, let me down, I just wanted to nip to the cafe in Llanberis for a cup of tea!"

edit: And to add to all the other people's experiences, we've come across a family trying to push a double baby pram down the rangers path.

He should have got 29 inch wheels, he would have breezed up!

Thx

G.Fisher

Let's be honest here, these types are exactly why mountain rescue exist in the first place. The reason "normal" people don't get rescued, is of course mainly they understand how not to get into trouble, but to the mountain rescue geezers, it doesn't matter if they're rescuing a fallen climber, or some **** in high heels 'cause most of them are in it for the excitement, and it's still a rescue. It's just the likes of the 'proper' climbers who like to feel a bit smug about it.

I did time with a mountain rescue team when I was in the forces. The majority of our 'rescues' involved finding people who were lost because they couldn't read a map - or in a number of cases, didn't have one - or struggling because they were wearing clothing that wasn't suitable for the conditions.

I don't remember ever being 'excited' when rescuing these people. It was quite amusing at times though, especially when we were called out to rescue my pompous next door neighbour who'd got himself completely lost because, while he had a map, it was the wrong one!

My dad was in the Kinder mountain rescue team for many years. In his experience, the vast majority of people who needed rescuing were complete idiots who went out poorly equipped at stupid times. Most of the rest actually didn't need rescuing but were holed up in a nice cosy pub somewhere while their family went frantic with worry bec ause they'd not told them they had decided to spend the day getting pissed rather than going for a walk like they said they would.

It should be noted we rarely saw my dad at christmas or new year because this was the guaranteed time that people would decide that marching up a mountain slightly drunk in nothing more substantial than a thin raincoat and trainers would be an excellent idea and as a result I have nothing but absolute contempt for people who do so. Once found by the mountain rescue people who are deemed 'stupid' victims should be made to pay up before they are taken back down the mountain. Indeed, a tried and tested method of encouraging rescuees to put some money in the kitty was to let them know they were being taken down the 'rough' way and a decent sized payment would ensure the team remembered the smooth way back down.

I've got this mental image of Mr Miyagi, Yoda and HongKong Fuey carrying someone up. Hiiiiiiiiiya!

Whilst toiling up Snowdon on Sunday on thick mist and a freezing wind, I was sadly unsurprised at the level of equipment that people were walking up in.

Saying this. I know a Cumbrian lad who always takes precautions, understands and respects the weather however he and others had to be rescued whilst out riding in the Lakes. The conditions changed even beyond the worst they expected and completely threw them.

Martial art = Way of the empty head

Chuck Norris doesn't go to the mountains. The mountains come to Chuck Norris.

If Chuck Norris did use a wheelchair, the wheels wouldn't spin round, the earth would just spin round faster underneath him.

My mum's partner is in MR in the Lakes and some the tales he tells are ridiculous - once someone people rang up to ask to be rescued because they were going to be late for a dinner party!

Some people seem to view the countryside as a theme park where everything is managed and regulated for you, and you don't have to think for yourself. There's a thread on bikeradar where someone whinged about people going the wrong way on fire roads in an FC centre and how it could be dangerous!

Martial art = Way of the empty head

Martial art = For soft nerds to reassure themselves that they can now defend themselves.

8)

Sorry but I can't help think 'Phoenix Nights'

doug_basqueMTB.com - Member
Over here they can make you pay if you call them out due to your own stupidity. It must be hard where to draw the line, e.g. people often tell me I'm crazy for riding where I do, but from what I hear you have to be particularly stupid to get charged for your extraction... like the Kung Fu Muppets and the wheelchair.

That's only true in parts of Spain: in Madrid, for example, it's still free.

The problem with charging is exactly what you say: where do you draw the line? Hurtling down a mountain on a bike, or hiking in mid-winter, are to many people suicidal risks to take - perhaps the next time someone on here breaks their ankle out in the Lakes they should pay for the ambulance ride?

Mogrim, that's interesting, I just know about the Basque Country. Fron what I've heard they err on the side of people not paying. I've heard about a few bikers being helped and there was no question of them being charged. The other side of it though is that most people who use the hills here carry a membership of a mountain club and that includes insurance incase you are charged. I don't know how much of the money from the membership gets back to the mountain rescue but some of it must.

I'm not sure which way is best but I hate to hear of people abusing the mountain rescue like described above. I actually wonder if the martial artists could be charged legally though, it sounds like they carried this guy halfway up and then left him [b]against his wishes[/b]. He was being helped by other walkers when mountain rescue arrived, NOT by the MA's. There's a thread on UKClimbing.

I think allowances should be made as they were from Coventry 😉

People have heart attacks whilst out walking in the Lakes. Should they stop and think 'I am 70yrs old maybe I shouldnt be selfish by doing this strenuous activity'?

NO. People make mistakes, only once however where do you draw the line with casting scorn at people rescued? Live and let live. At least these people arent spending their time walking around a shopping centre are they?

Also, I read an article yesterday where a top bod was saying the tops of the mountains shouldnt allow soo many people as it damages the topography. What does he recommend? Keeping it for a few elite people? Sorry, its erosion, the mountains came about due to this.

Well, having been told by rangers on Snowdon that "they couldn't see why cyclists needed to come up there when we now have purpose-built trails like the Marin(!)" and that "They were planning on reviewing access for bikes because of erosion(!)" It would appear that erosion is a problem, just it's not the few hundred thousand [s]sheep[/s] walkers causing the issue, it's actually the few hundred bikers 🙄

When I suggested that there was a perfectly nice path round Llyn Padarn, and that I couldn't see why all these walkers needed to concern themselves with struggling up pointy mountains when it's perfectly pleasant down there, they failed to see the parallels...

I'd rather die of a heart attack yomping in the lakes at 70 than suffering the long slide to infirmness and loss of dignity associated with never taking any risks and just watching the telly at 80.

I'd rather die of a heart attack yomping in the lakes at 70 than suffering the long slide to infirmness and loss of dignity associated with never taking any risks and just watching the telly at 80.

Amen.

As for charging for any rescue when I was in MRT there massive resistance to any form of charging. It is a voluntary organisation and they were proud of it, plus changing to any fee system creates a professional organisation which then opens up a can of worms for example liability and providing a service for a fee payment.

Just to be clear. When I was wondering if the people could be CHARGED I would have been clearer if I had said PROSECUTED! If someone carried me halfway up a hill and then didn't carry me back down I'd be a touched miffed!

Are they sure the six martial arts experts didn't just steal him from outside a shop or something? 😕

doug_basqueMTB.com - Member
Mogrim, that's interesting, I just know about the Basque Country.

Funnily enough, given their reputed hatred of money, the Catalans are bringing it in, too. Aragon is still free, though.