[Closed] Just received a PCN...

Devils advocate....How are people who use a wheelchair that have just got off the bus meant to get on the footpath once they’ve crossed the road with you parked there?

That’s pedantic for sure. Unles they’re trying to get you for anything in relation to blocking the power thing behind the van / the proximity to the corner....

Blocking a wheelchair crossing...

I assume it's dropped for road crossing wheelchair access, particularly with the adjacent bus stop, not for "access to a three foot high wall".

Where’s this wheelchair crossing referenced above then - didn’t know there was such a thing in law? 🤣

Kerb's been lowered for wheelchair s in several locations.

Pay up and move on.

Hanging's too good for you.

Dropped footways are also for wheeled pavement users to cross @cougar - buggies, wheelchairs etc. That's why there's another directly opposite.
EDIT you lot are too fast.

Yeah, as above wheelchairs, buggies all that stuff, it's a fair cop in my book

It's not dropped for vehicle access, (clearly) but to allow for wheelchairs, coffin dodgers or the like to cross the road more easily. So I'd say yes, banged to rights.

Edit - basically what all the 150 words per minute gang up there 👆 said. 🙄

If you were parked directly in front of the dropped kerb you'd probably be parked too close to the junction causing a hazard to those pulling out of it due to bad visibility.

Parking within 10metres of a junction
Leaving your car close to a junction makes it difficult and dangerous for unsighted drivers to pull out from or turn into the side road. Pedestrians can also be put at risk because of the restricted view this type of inconsiderate parking causes. Rule 243 of the Highway Code states you must not park opposite or within 10 metres (32 feet) of a junction, except in an authorised parking space.

What’s the penalty: It is possible you will get a non-endorsable fixed penalty of £50–£100 for causing an unnecessary obstruction. If an accident occurs it’s likely you’ll be taking a large proportion of the blame – and be fined accordingly.

You monster. I hope you get gingivitis of the bottom.

It was a fairly quiet side street at 3:41pm and I’d been there less than 15 minutes. Feels an awful lot like a money-maker to me, I wonder if the “Civil Enforcement Officer” is a curtain-twitcher on that street?

Entitled motorist speak.You should be made to scrap the moss off that wall as community service.

With his tongue 😠

I once saw a woman pushing someone in a wheelchair heavily laden with disability support gear down a busy main road. I stopped and asked if she needed help - she said that someone had parked in front of the drop kerb and she had to get to the next one as she couldn't get the heavy chair up the normal kerb.

I feel that this is not quite panning out as Cougs had envisioned.

Aye, bang to rights there I'm afraid, suck it up.

Whilst technically correct,

Busted.

But there isn't a dropped kerb directly opposite. The dropped kerbs there are all over the place.

I’d also say fair cop, but also that you were pretty unlucky.

There’s a dropped kerb just in front of the bus stop, probably 0.5m out of being directly opposite

Devils advocate….How are people who use a wheelchair that have just got off the bus meant to get on the footpath once they’ve crossed the road with you parked there?

Ah, I hadn't thought about that. Again though, devil's advocate: that being the case it's pretty shit infrastructure. Why isn't there a crossing?

That’s why there’s another directly opposite.

There's one - actually, there's quite a few now I've looked - on the other side but neither are 'directly opposite' at all. If you got off the bus you'd have to wheel in front of it, push out into near-blind traffic, cross the road and then wheel past that van (which is always parked there, and blocking most of the pavement) to get to the other kerb. Going the other way isn't much better. That's not just poor design, it's dangerous.

Oh, I don't know. Do the crime, and all that. I'm just a bit aggrieved at the speed it happened, someone was surely just waiting for someone to do it. If there were signs up, or a crossing, or double-yellows, or something then I wouldn't have done it. I just assumed the kerb was legacy street furniture for a driveway that no longer existed.

Tbh the double yellows should just be painted further along, would stop that van parking there too

They don't need to be directly opposite. The rules governing the placement are complex and arcane.

Yes pay up I m afraid, my dad got done so I am ultra careful. Saying that I parked across one once and a lady resident in nearby house said I would be booked in 5 mins.

Seems a lot of people are caught and targets have to be met.

I feel that this is not quite panning out as Cougs had envisioned.

Mate, I've been here for like ten years or something. It's panning out exactly as I envisioned.

If you were parked directly in front of the dropped kerb you’d probably be parked too close to the junction causing a hazard to those pulling out of it due to bad visibility.

Didn't see a ticket on the van behind. Which has been parked there every time I've looked.

Irrelevant anyway, that's not what it says on the ticket.

It’s panning out exactly as I envisioned.

In which case, you deserve everything you get 😉

Van behind was probably more than 10m from the junction! 🤪🤪

Anyway - what if a baby robin wanted to cross there.

Amazingly wheelchair users are able, entitled and sometimes want to cross roads at an angle! Craziness I know.

You've been caught bang to rights but there is also a dose of bad luck that an Enforcement car or person has been there at that time. We have little cars with cameras that go around Cardiff all day catching people for this exact thing and they can flash past in less than a second but still catch lot of people daily. Lots of complaints about them but at the end of the day the rules are there for a reason.

If you got off the bus you’d have to wheel in front of it, push out into near-blind traffic, cross the road and then wheel past that van (which is always parked there, and blocking most of the pavement) to get to the other kerb. Going the other way isn’t much better. That’s not just poor design, it’s dangerous.

You wait till the bus is gone and the van shouldn't be parked there.

Not poor design, poor parking.

Poor design is the solid white line, hatched boxes that are painted in front of my driveways to stop people parking there.
It's an offence to even enter them in a vehicle.
An offence which I wilfully commit thousands of times a year.

also a dose of bad luck that an Enforcement car or person has been there at that time

There's double-yellows near where I live, right next to a chip shop. I've never seen an 'enforcement car' there, they'd make the GDP of a lesser African nation over a lunchtime when the chippie was open.

I'm half-tempted to go back another day and see how quickly it happens again. It'd almost be worth £35 to see just how much influence "luck" actually had to do with anything.

There’s a dropped kerb just in front of the bus stop, probably 0.5m out of being directly opposite

Yep - not directly opposite as then busses could block its use so it is as directly opposite as is practical in the circumstances.

Not poor design, poor parking.

It's both.

If there were signs up, or a crossing, or double-yellows, or something then I wouldn’t have done it.

But the dropped kerb is enough - it is (without even having to look to check if I am correct) a rule in the Highway Code that you cannot park across a dropped kerb - surely you know that?

legacy street furniture for a driveway that no longer existed

That has to be a HMHB lyric

Yep banged to rights but do feel you've been rather unlucky, there's plenty of worse parking around there. Pay up move on.

Personally I'd change the whole enforcement regime to make it proper money making and pay for the enforcement actions, dropped kerbs, hydrants, too close to junctions, parking on the pavement (only applicable in London but should be everywhere), parking on the pavement behind double yellows, parking on a road with a solid central white line if it means a passing vehicle has to cross the white line, bus bays, zig zags outside the takeaway (fatal food poisoning is too good for them), double yellows, single yellows, no loading zones, taxi ranks, bus stops, loading bays, disabled bays.

If we have rules we should enforce them, if we don't believe they should be enforced we should scrap them.

Wait to the private sector is allowed to enforce them!!!!!! It's coming.

There's dropped kerbs either end of the bus stop. Putting one in the middle, would have the bus drivers liable for a PCN every time they stopped for passengers

surely you know that?

Of course I know that. You can be done for parking across your own driveway, even.

As I said, I assumed - incorrectly, it would seem now - that whatever purpose it once served no longer applied, so it wouldn't matter. It simply didn't occur to me that it might be there as an accessibility feature, very ableist of me I know.

There’s dropped kerbs either end of the bus stop.

Why don't the ones on the other side line up with them?

Putting one in the middle, would have the bus drivers liable for a PCN every time they stopped for passengers

Untrue.

I had a similar thing last year when I got a ticket for parking across my own driveway. Dropped kerb, single yellow line. I understood why I got the ticket, but it's my own driveway, I wasn't blocking anyone in. What I expected was that they would realise this when I appealed and drop the PCN, maybe add me to some kind of list to say that my reg is linked to that address so don't issue PCN if parked across drive. That's what I expected - some common sense. What I got, and didn't expect was a refusal with a peevish reply which had nothing to do with the initial "offense". Something like "Yeah but, but you were also parked up on the kerb and pregnant women can't get through and disabled people blah blah". Literally wheels up on kerb, not blocking the pavement at all, I hate that and would never do it.

So what I learned was that, by all means appeal, but don't expect your appeal to be dealt with by a grown up. Rather a peevish, spiteful child with too much power.

Best of luck! You massive, massive criminal.

Of course I know that.

But you thought you'd risk it because you assumed it would be okay? Harsh on you but you know you have no hope of successfully challenging the PCN.

You left your car unattended in Padiham. Just be grateful you've still got it and pay up;)

I've done the same without really realising at the time. Probably made me think about it a bit more to be fair. There's no comeback, it's clearly illegal and for good reason.

There's actually a dropped curb on a cycle route near me and there's a car parked in front of it on a daily basis. Not a problem ordinarily but not ideal when towing a child trailer. Imagine riding a recumbent or one of those disability scooters... Just because you yourself don't understand it doesn't mean it's not inconveniencing people or even putting them in danger. Cough up and chalk it up to one of life's lessons.