[Closed] just had a BNP flyer through the door....

Poor old South Georgia! It's somewhere I'd like to visit sometime.

Halt immigration - in particular from Muslim countries - and deport illegal immigrants. Allow legally settled and law-abiding minorities to remain but review citizenship grants awarded since 1997

Deport foreigners convicted of crimes in Britain, regardless of immigration status, ban the burka and building of mosques. Deport radical Islamist preachers

Increase UK Border Agency funding, withdraw from EU, repeal Race Relations Act and scrap Equalities and Human Rights Commission. Scrap ID cards

Review the Police and Criminal Evidence Act to remove unnecessary bureaucracy from police duties

Reintroduce capital punishment for drug dealers, child murderers, multiple murderers, murderers of policemen on duty and terrorists

Reintroduce right of householders to defend themselves and their property, "using whatever means they deem necessary"

Establish penal station for "extremely dangerous/violent repeat criminals", including rapists, on the British island of South Georgia

I can't say there's a lot there I disgree with.

I've just watched Jeremy Paxman interviewing Nick Griffin. I thought at one point that Griffin was about to actually start barking like a dog. Extraordinary.

Wow no way where the hell do you live?

using whatever means they deem necessary

I can't say there's a lot there I disgree with.

Really? You didn't notice that it's a half-thought through collection of expensive and pointless schemes?

I am interested in their grant to allow repatriation of people of "foreign descent". When Dick, sorry, Nick Griffin was on Breakfast, he said it would be £50k and up to people to decide whether they qualified.

My great, great (x-something) grandad was from Ireland. £50k for me to move to Ireland (and £50k for each of my 2 kids, I assume)?...

😉

Why not just put it in the bin, instead of giving it so much attention by rattling on about it on here.

you're new to this internet forum thingy no?

[i]I can't say there's a lot there I disgree with.[/i]

I've thought this, and they came top on a test thing I did. Just a shame it's fronted by idiots. Or seemingly bigger idiots than the rest of them. And the way they play on the latest fear. Not sure I can support climate change denial either. Scepticism maybe, but not denial.

I can't say there's a lot there I disgree with.

You don't like Muslims then?

The rest of it is just a load of populist bollocks to appeal to people with little depth of understanding of how a society really operates. Rhetoric dreamed up by people sitting there thinking 'how can we fool stupid people into thinking we're not just a bunch of racist scum?'

Establish penal station for "extremely dangerous/violent repeat criminals", including rapists, on the British island of South Georgia

I'm with that one though. Most of their inner party would be sent there! 😆

One possibility concerning what to do with it is to read it, then if you disagree with what's written just put it in the bin and don't vote for them. Quite simple. Same applies to all the parties.

I take it though the infamous leaked list is not online any more?.

Email me if you'd like it sending to you.

You don't like Muslims then?

What about Buddhists? Little more tender? 😀

put it in the bin

The recycling bin, I hope?

What about Buddhists? Little more tender?

IMMIGRANTS have helped push Britain’s birth rate to its highest level in 25 years.

More than a fifth of births are now to women born outside the UK and their fertility rates are considerably higher than British-born mothers.

The general birth rate now suggests the average woman will have 1.87 children, according to the Office for National Statistics. That is the highest level since 1981.

Last year there were 669,531 births in Britain – a rise of 23,696 on the previous year.

Almost 22 per cent of all new babies are now born to mothers born outside the UK – a 25 per cent rise in just 12 months. That compares with just over a two per cent increase in babies born to women born in the UK.

The Daily Express reported earlier this week that a third of babies being born in Sheffield are to ethnic minor­ity families.

At the same time research showed that the Islamic name Muhammad is now second only to Jack as the most popular name for baby boys in Britain.

Overall, Muslims account for three per cent of the population, about 1.5 million people. However, the Muslim birth rate is roughly three times higher than the non-Muslim one.

It's nothing to do with a dislike for Muslims - it's the over population of our little patch of soil that bothers me, along with the crime being brought in from Eastern Europe. Regardless of overcrowding though I do have big reservations about Muslim communities becoming the dominant voice in our country also. I'd be interested to hear from anyone who doesn't see this as a problem.

I do have big reservations about Muslim communities becoming the dominant voice in our country also. I'd be interested to hear from anyone who doesn't see this as a problem.

I don't think this is a problem.

In 2001 37 million people claimed they were Christians, 1.5 million Muslims, got a long way to go before they become the dominant voice in this country, even if a million Muslims have immigrated since 2001 how many of them are likely to be 'fundamentalists'?

serious question other than being racist why would they want to stop the building of mosques? I used to live opposite one, nothing bad ever happend

Capital punishment is just wrong IMO but does seem a tad harsh for drug dealers

edsbike; just seen your post, thanks for the offer, but I've got things sorted. I'm not going to be forced to deliver that filth.
On Mosques; I used to live round the corner from The Annandale st mosque in Edinburgh. My landlord was one of the senior dudes there and he was always a good guy to me.

I do have big reservations about Muslim communities becoming the dominant voice in our country also. I'd be interested to hear from anyone who doesn't see this as a problem.

I don't see it as a problem, in fact I think that you're totally deluded and quite frankly making a statement based entirely without any substantiated evidence. I live in a part of the country where there is absolutely no muslim community whatsoever, in fact there is hardly any cultural diversity at all, I would not be suprised to find that this is the case for most of England outside of the northern/midland conurbations and London.

Regardless of overcrowding though I do have big reservations about Muslim communities becoming the dominant voice in our country also. I'd be interested to hear from anyone who doesn't see this as a problem.

Where are you getting these quotes from?

Well, at the birth rates you've shown (I'd like to see the real figures please), it would take a bloody long time before Muslims outnumber all other faiths in Britain. We'll all be long dead. So what are you worried about?

'Ooh look the foreigners are coming in vast hordes and they'll take over!'

Immigration to the UK is basically largely as a result of colonialisation; Britain grew wealthy and powerful due to it's exploitation of foreign lands and resources, and enslavement and oppression of their peoples. We enjoy high standards of living, because of the legacy of exploitation. Now that the Empire is over, and Britannia no longer rules the waves, others are coming to exploit that wealth. If you steal something from someone, you don't have much of a moral position, if someone else then comes and steals it from you.

Of course, had Britain actually invested in those lands and people, or co-operated with other nations to help develop their economies and social infrastructure, instead of destroying and pillaging, then maybe so many folk from poorer countries wouldn't be coming here in such numbers.

Britain owes a massive historical debt to many other countries. Chickens are coming home to roost. Get used to it. Nothing's keeping you here if you don't like it, you can always leave and live somewhere else. What about South Georgia? Nice and peaceful, and I don't think there are any mosques there.

At the same time research showed that the Islamic name Muhammad is now second only to Jack as the most popular name for baby boys in Britain.

Ha! 'Research'! FFS; every Muslim boy is named Muhammed, after the prophet. They also have their given name too.

Where did you get this crap from, BTW?

I doubt Islam will ever become the dominant voice in this country. From the way I see it, it isn't usually the dominant voice in rogue Islamic countries. It's usually a tyrannical leader, who just happens to be a Muslim. Iran for example.

Of course, had Britain actually invested in those lands and people, or co-operated with other nations to help develop their economies and social infrastructure, instead of destroying and pillaging

You mean like the awful state Rhodesia was left in when they gained independence

Yep, I reckon that's what he probably means. At the time when Rhodesia gained it's independence, 1 percent of the population owned 70 percent of the land. The white British settlers drove the black Zimbabweans off their land to create space for themselves. There wasn't a whole lot of "investing in people" going on under British rule.

[i]At the same time research showed that the Islamic name Muhammad is now second only to Jack as the most popular name for baby boys in Britain.[/i]

Hmmm, boys name eh, actually Mohammad came 16th in 2008 behind other foreign sounding names such as Alfie, Charlie, Thomas, Jack, and William.

Just stick it in the bin and stop whinging about it.

There wasn't a whole lot of "investing in people" going on under British rule.

[i]along with the crime being brought in from Eastern Europe.[/i]
coming over here, nicking our crimes. it's a fahkin liberty...

[i]I'd be interested to hear from anyone who doesn't see this as a problem.[/i]
i don't think it's a problem. it's the sweaty socks i'm worried about.

WGAF about the BNP! boring and old fashioned tripe if nothing else.

we live in a mish mash society. A mix of foreign culture is a good, positive, interesting thing. It's more mixed up in bigger cities. It's gonna spread to you're little enclave. there will be people different to you moving into your little street. Get used to it and get ****in over it!

would the BNP expell St George? A Turkish bloke who lied on his CV about killing a dragon?

twunt if you even think of voting for them, just stay at home with your colouring books

Which is why the people had such a third world existence, with food shortages etc.? That has to explain why so many people from there want to emigrate at the moment. Good job they got self rule to dig themselves out of the hole they were left in.

Aracer; there is something called [i]Knowledge[/i]. It's a very useful and valuable thing to have. Possessing it can help you not look like an ignorant fool. Knowledge can be gained by allowing your eyes and mind to be open, and receptive to new information. Once equipped with this information, one can then be able to formulate independent, informed, objective opinions about stuff.

Have fun! 😀

Had an anti BNP flyer!

Propped it up on my window sill.

Will have anti anti BNP brick soon? hope not but anti brick window insurance is ready.

get some more flyers. =more bricks. a bit of cement and you can build a nice BBQ for the summer. Lovely. Win win.

the crime being brought in from Eastern Europe.

Crime in the UK has never been lower and this has coincided with immigration from Eastern Europe. If anything (pirates/global warming analogy), Eastern European immigration has made Britain safer.

The broken Britain of legend is one where danger stalks the streets as never before. In the real Britain, the police have just recorded the lowest number of murders for 19 years. In mythical broken Britain, children are especially at risk. Back in real life, child homicides have fallen by more than two-thirds since the 1970s. Britain used to be the third-biggest killer of children in the rich world; it is now the 17th. And more mundane crimes have fallen too: burglaries and car theft are about half as common now as they were 15 years ago. Even the onset of recession has not reversed that downward trend so far.

Crime in the UK has never been lower .......

Whilst I fully support the sentiments behind that comment konabunny, it is unusually sloppy for you me old fruit.

Indeed crime in the UK has been falling for many years, and it does coincide with the arrival of Eastern European immigrants, but it has been lower than this in the past - much much lower. In fact recorded crime is still about 10 times higher than it was in the 50s and 60s.

Crime levels went through the roof in the 1980s as a direct result of the devastating effect on society of government policy. [b][u]YES I BLAME THATCHER[/u][/b]

The only consistent link with crime anywhere in the world, is the level of social justice. The higher the level of social injustice, the higher the tendency for crime to be committed, and vice versa - crime falls as levels of social justice increase.

Social-democratic Britain of the 1950s and 60s (under both Labour and Tory social-democratic governments) with it's high levels of social justice and full employment, had considerably lower crime rates than today.

And nothing contributes more to social injustice anywhere in the world, than unemployment - with all it's consequences of poverty, low wages, racism, lack of social cohesion, etc.

recorded crime

In fact, if you care to cast your beady eye over this PDF:

RDS.HOMEOFFICE.GOV.UK "http://rds.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs07/bcs25.pdf"

You'll see that there's a long consistent rise in BCS crime between 1981 and 1995 (which are of course the years of Thatcherism) and then a long consistent fall since 1995. In other words, we're only just now getting back down to the level of crime under the penultimate Labour government and before Maggie ****ed it all up. [b]So much for the Tories' claim to being tough on crime.[/b]

There's not much of a change in reported crime at all through the whole period though.

"the risk of becoming a victim of crime remains at a 30-year low...The long-term fall in crime rate since 1995 is now one of the longest on record... the BCS shows the risk of being a victim of crime is at the lowest level in almost 30 years."
http://www.marieclaire.co.uk/news/world/451927/uk-crime-falls-by-seven-per-cent.html (Don't flame me for Marie Claire - it's just a rehash of the press release anyway)

The BNP and others like them just pedal hatred and prey on peoples fears. They might start by picking on the most visible minority probaly muslims but where would they stop Armenians,Africans,Hindus,Poles,Catholics,Homosexuals,Tories,Arsenal fans,Dentists we are all minorities in one way or another so the time to stop the BNP and their like is now and its up to all of us to do it

I just got a flyer through the door - I was mortified to see that rubbish in my own house. Straight to the bottom of the recycling bin.

With regards to crime, I'd be interested to see the figures for organised crime. I'd wager these aren't lower than at any time, ever.

Also, anyone who honestly believes that the right to defend your property is not a fair and just proposal is looking for any excuse. If someone is going to batter somebody for eyeing up their letterbox, then the likelyhood is that they'd batter them whether it's legal or not.

With regards to crime, I'd be interested to see the figures for organised crime

And I'd like to see the stats to back up the rampant 'Muslim' birthrate... 🙄

And you already have the right to defend your property. You just have to ensure you use no more than 'reasonable force'.

I'd be interested to see the figures for organised crime. I'd wager these aren't lower than at any time, ever.

Yup, the Krays and Richardsons Firms were the most disorganised crime outfits, ever. Not like today's gangsters.

And I'd like to see the stats to back up the rampant 'Muslim' birthrate...

And you already have the right to defend your property. You just have to ensure you use no more than 'reasonable force'.

Ah, you've got me - I occassionally believe what I read in the media or on the internet, forgetting it's all made up. It's widely reported.

I couldn't give a hoot about the colour of someones skin, but this country is at a social and economical breaking point - time to considering the needs of it's citizens rather than pandering to political correctness and the beurocracy that surrounds getting rid of anyone who has nothing to offer by being here, putting more strain on our country and entering borders illegally. I've occassionally considered moving abroad and countries that appeal to me make me prove that I have something to offer - I have no problem with that. All the white British scum who have nothing to offer and sponge from the state/reproduce at the drop of a hat can sod off for me too.

I may have the right to defend my property with reasonable force, but personally I'd prefer not to be up on a murder/manslaughter charge if I happened to (accidentally) batter to death some smacked up loser waving a knife in my wifes, or daughters face.

anyone who honestly believes that the right to defend your property is not a fair and just proposal is looking for any excuse.

They're proposing legalisation of using ANY amount of force so long as the HOUSEHOLDER thinks it's necessary. That's not a "reasonable" i.e. objective test, that's just a subjective test. What if I am an unreasonable person who thinks it's perfectly appropriate to stab whoever looks like they might touch my letterbox in the face? If the BNP's law were passed, all I would have to prove is that it was true that I thought it was necessary (actually, iirc, the burden of proof would be on the CPS for this defence).

You are allowed to use a reasonable amount of force to protect yourself and your property. If you use excessive force, you should be convicted of the relevant crime - as Tony Martin was convicted by a jury of his peers.

Muslim Birth Rate in UK

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Tyger,that link doesn't tell you the muslim birth rate.
Ian