Am being demoted after 9 months as national manager. Back to my old job, which I was very bored with. Results and feedback have been very good, if I say so myself. (Moved from a huge loss to profit. In fact, way ahead of budget).
I'm well hacked off, and feel like walking. But have decided the most sensible thing to do is suck it up while I look for something else. I'll feel like an idiot in front of my former subordinates though.
Ever been in this situation? What did you do?
Depends on who will be effected by you not having a job.
Was this a temporary promotion or a probationary period? Does the job actually exist still? have they replaced you, or carrying the vacancy to save money?
What reason did they give? If you performed well, why did they do this?
I'll feel like an idiot in front of my former subordinates though.
youll feel more of an idiot if you leave and cant get a replacement job.
To be demoted you need to have obviously have done smetjhing wrong or where just promoted to cover an abscence.
Just be grateful you have a job and are able to pay your bills, thousands dont have that choice.
former subordinates
Probably better if you refer to them as colleagues now unless you want permanently damp shoes.
Possible reason for demotion...see above 😕
you usually get dropped when you are shyte at something.
we are all guilty of this sometimes.....i just accept it now when it happens.
As I see it, you have three options;
1 - Kill the person promoted above you.
2 - Kill yourself.
Not bad so far, I think you'll agree, but wait for option three, it might just be the clincher for you....
3 - Kill [b][i]everybody![/i][/b]
Probably better if you refer to them as colleagues now unless you want permanently damp shoes.
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If you've done something wrong I guess now is the time to start kissing a bit of butt or moving on.
Cmon what ya done?
[i]Results and feedback have been very good, if I say so myself.[/i]
Trusting what you said, you've been stitched up. It happens, lots. Take time to find a job working for a better employer. If such things exist these days.
Ask your boss what he thinks you struggled with and suggest training should the need arise to step up to the national role again. Ask him also the strengths he thinks you brought to the role.
Be humble and show willing to learn and train further, for the good of the company of course. 😀
Meanwhile, start a plan to leave, plan where you might go to and how and when, what you need to do to get there and so on. Jump onto any relevant training courses you think you can get without arousing supspicions.
Run the two plans in tandem and pull out when you are ready unless things improve where you already are of course.
Good luck.
Oh, if you do leave, don't be tempted to burn any bridges, it's not worth it in the long run.
Thanks, some excellent comments and points made above. Can't fault any of them. Was told the role was cancelled as we move to a more international structure. But a friend of mine on the management board has heard nothing about this. I struggled a bit with people management, maybe. But the underperformers were either managed out, or back to productivity. Financial reporting was a bit messy - I got zero training for this. But the figures were always accurate, even if they weren't popular. Suspect that my face just doesn't fit.
Don't take this the wrong way, you have poor people management skills and reporting wasn't good. You can say you weren't given the support but to many businesses are like that now, ask if they can offer training for the future, you must have offered something to have been given the chance in the first place.
As for your friend not hearing anything, it is surprising how far up the tree a decision can go and for key people not to know because it is regarded as not within their remit. Don't look at your being demoted, they could easily of gone the role is redundant route, there is a reason that they haven't got rid of you.
But above all do not piss your employer off, my employer business recently bought a business and landed up re-employing some reps who hand walked. You never know who will be paying your wages next month so even if you feel shafted take your revenge quietly. Take your address book with you etc.
Thanks, some excellent comments and points made above. Can't fault any of them. Was told the role was cancelled as we move to a more international structure. But a friend of mine on the management board has heard nothing about this. I struggled a bit with people management, maybe. But the underperformers were either managed out, or back to productivity. Financial reporting was a bit messy - I got zero training for this. But the figures were always accurate, even if they weren't popular. [b]Suspect that my face just doesn't fit.[/b]
That'll be it, for sure.
Fair comment. Maybe. If that really was the case about my skills, I'd appreciate being told about it rather than being fobbed off. My friend also has someone in her region that this would impact, so would expect her to know. But maybe I'm being paranoid.
Yep. You can either look to improve your people management skills and your financial reporting or you can hope to land somewhere that your face fits.
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Squidlord at work (before his demotion for obviously not being as good at his job as he thought he was):
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I'd appreciate being told about it rather than being fobbed off.
I think you'll actually find that most managers are hiding behind something and it won't be their ability to manage or lead. You and your forthright attitude probably put the fear of god into them.
Good luck with whatever you choose.
Ming the Merciless? I wish. Too soft if anything. Or more like
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Ok, then, I'm an arrogant nobber and deserve everything I get. Always tried to do my best though.
Double post, fuggit
Squidlord - MemberEver been in this situation?
Not exactly the same but then I pissed off the senior management with their policy of making people redundant instead of getting rid of some of their under achieved overpaid brown nosing "pals" ... big mistake. They made me redundant then followed by many others and within two years they closed shop.
What did you do?
I became door to door salesman for 2 years where I met many funny people (weird, impolite, rude etc) ... I remember being invited to an appointment (I cold called for appointment by the way so was very happy to get a new "client".) where the boss of the company invited me in from the front door with polite engaging conversation (throughout that time walking me through the corridor smiling and agreeing) then slowly showing me the rear exit to go out with a smile. I was still talking and explaining to him about business when I was standing outside the rear exit of the office. Later I thought to myself what a nice chap he was but without realising the joke was on me ... 😆
The moral of the story:
1. On your way up remember those that you leave behind and treat them with respect.
2. On your way down they will show you the respect again and may even help you out.
3. Always prepare to be made redundant/fired at any time and never rely on others.
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^^^ HAHAHAHA thats epic.
the next bearing/weld consumables/printer paper salesman that turns up at work will be getting that treatment. Our workshop lends itself perfectly to that walk through as we have offices at the front and at the back and place is a complete maze.
the next bearing/weld consumables/printer paper salesman that turns up at work will be getting that treatment.
Why would you do that and pass up the opportunity of possibly saving the company money/improving something? Seems a bit silly to me. 😐
BrickMan - Member^^^ HAHAHAHA thats epic.
the next bearing/weld consumables/printer paper salesman that turns up at work will be getting that treatment. Our workshop lends itself perfectly to that walk through as we have offices at the front and at the back and place is a complete maze.
Ya, but try not to laugh out too loudly or make a big scene of the joke later on because the poor guy might be genuinely needing the sales to meet his target ... but then if he is one of those unethical ones then fair game. 🙂
But having said that I think I laughed at myself more than the guy ... 😆
don simon - MemberWhy would you do that and pass up the opportunity of possibly saving the company money/improving something? Seems a bit silly to me.
That's what I said most of the time when I was doing my sell calls ... 😆
Just be grateful you have a job and are able to pay your bills, thousands dont have that choice.
Ah, the good old race to the bottom, where nobody wins...
don simon - Member
[i]"the next bearing/weld consumables/printer paper salesman that turns up at work will be getting that treatment."[/i]
Why would you do that and pass up the opportunity of possibly saving the company money/improving something? Seems a bit silly to me.
Trust me Don after a few decades in engineering you know the margins and who is pulling your plonker.
Trust me Don after a few decades in engineering you know the margins and who is pulling your plonker.
Of that I have no doubt. Is there much of an engineering industry left in the UK? 😉
Can anyone smell... troll?
Chewkw isn't a troll.
don simon - MemberOf that I have no doubt. Is there much of an engineering industry left in the UK?
Not as big as was but those who have survived are mostly flat out, we are 😀
don simon - MemberChewkw isn't a troll.
WWWHHhaattt! NNNOOoooooo!
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p/s: not trolling on my past "career" as salesman.
Of that I have no doubt. Is there much of an engineering industry left in the UK?
There's an engineering company close to our print unit on the estate where I work that always seem to have big flatbeds outside being loaded with large pieces of equipment. Something to do with waste water management. They were loading a bunch of machines today when I took some plates over.
I've just started reading Affluenza by Oliver James - a few years out of zeitgeist, but seriously - Be thankful for what you've got. It sounds as if the job you've gone back too is still pretty good. I know plenty of people with degrees who work in call centres taking flack from angry people all day long.
The temptation is to look up to what is above us, and whilst I do understand the feelings which come from returning to a role post secondment (I've been there before)- and in my current organisation many people are similarly unhappy as various temporary promotions have all come to an end, but look at what you have and let go of some of the upset.
chewkw - Member
BrickMan - Member
^^^ HAHAHAHA thats epic.the next bearing/weld consumables/printer paper salesman that turns up at work will be getting that treatment. Our workshop lends itself perfectly to that walk through as we have offices at the front and at the back and place is a complete maze.
Ya, but try not to laugh out too loudly or make a big scene of the joke later on because the poor guy might be genuinely needing the sales to meet his target ... but then if he is one of those unethical ones then fair game.
But having said that I think I laughed at myself more than the guy ...
don simon - Member
Why would you do that and pass up the opportunity of possibly saving the company money/improving something? Seems a bit silly to me.That's what I said most of the time when I was doing my sell calls ...
Unfortunately its my job to know the finite value of just about everything off the top of my head. I trade all day & night (not even joking) and only just about scratch a living out of it, so I don't appreciate random forceful, BS spouting sales touts of inferior products on my doorstep 3-4 times a week.
It started when I was about 5 when I turned down my Christmas present from my mum, it was a VHS of Basil Brush that cost about £4.99 in woolies. I turned it down because we were struggling at the time and I knew that Thomas the Tank engine (also £4.99) was a better value VHS @ 88 minutes run time vs. the sub 40minutes run time of the Basil Brush VHS
And yes, those of us who are left are either VERY busy, or next to nothing, and it does vary in demand, wildly and without warning.
I've seen several people step up and then be asked (i.e. told) to step down. Sometimes it's because they're no good, sometimes it's because they had potential but they didn't get the right support and in one case they were so unpopular with their team that it was clear we had to change something.
I'd ask what the problem was and try to be better in that area for next time or at LEAST take it into account and get someone to work with/for you who can fill that gap. I don't for a second you have to be good at everything but doing a crap job but showing you're trying doesn't win any points usually, particularly if you're senior.
Oh, I'm more than ready to learn. It's been the best thing about the role. I was getting so bored before. I mentioned that I was frustrated by the limited feedback.
I've been really angry the last few days. Now I just feel sad & demotivated. I need to get over myself. A couple of long painful rides at the weekend should help with that.