As above really , The old biking mojo departed so not much riding done
which then meant the pounds went on , now biking seems even harder with the extra stones so the mojo is not returning .
I have heard that juicing fruit and veg is a good way to lose weight fast .
is this true , Has anyone had good /bad results
and is there a killer recipe for this goal
have just googled and come up with a juice fast is it safe and as good as they say
Load of bollocks. There are no short cuts or magic miracles to weight loss. Balanced diet and exercise.
Ride more and eat a bit less but make sure you eat enough. Takes time but worth it in the end.
Personally I find them quite good - filling and enough calories to mean I keep going, without having to consume a "meal". Probably not the most suitable long term diet and juice still has a fair amount of calories. Ultimately its down to in < out but some things make that easier than others. I can't eat a "normal" sized meal without gettign hungry right after, but I can skip a meal and drink a lot of "bits in" juice instead without getting hunrgy.
There are no short cuts or magic miracles to weight loss.
There are - I lost loads on a low-carb diet.
cut out bread and beer, ive lost 7lbs in 6 weeks just by doing this.
keeping it off is the hardest part.
Load of bollocks. There are no short cuts or magic miracles to weight loss
Have you been and checked, or is this just something you "know"? Because in fact it has been proven that liquidizing food helps depress hunger pangs for longer, hence helping with a diet. Obviously if you're eating the same food anyway, just liquidizing some it won't make any difference!
juicing is merely pre-chewing, it might make some veg more palatable (at the cost of texture) which isn't helpful if you mean to eat less...
Because in fact it has been proven that liquidizing food helps depress hunger pangs for longer,
proved by whom ? I'm intensely sceptical, as your mouth is designed to effectively juice whatever you put into it...
Off course there's short cuts - it just depends whether or not you're prepared to take them
Drug wise - Xenical and Reductil both work
8 years ago I lost 3 stone in 4 months on the Atkin's diet [& kept it off]
if you eat whole food (ie chew it) and a glass of water - the stomach can remove the water and start digesting the food.
If you blend it (eg soup, smoothie) the stomach cannot remove th water and so it keeps you feeling full for longer.
proved by whom ? I'm intensely sceptical, as your mouth is designed to effectively juice whatever you put into it...
There was a recent study for a tv programme about it, and apparently the research was seen as reasonably credible.
Juicing ... Increase blood sugar that.
I prefer blending as you eat the whole thing.
Not sure about losing weight though.
Some interesting comments and I have just come back from reading a few websites .
So I will give it a try and see how it goes . Got a juicer off a relative and off to the greengrocers soon .
110 kilos and 5ft10inchs so got plenty of reserves to live on and the extra vitamins and minerals cant be a bad thing
might even drag me out of the lethargy trap
proved by whom ?
Scientists. Proper ones with white coats, clipboards and all that.
If you blend it (eg soup, smoothie) the stomach cannot remove th water and so it keeps you feeling full for longer.
water removal takes place in the lower intestine
Bought a juicer a few weeks ago, the fruit juices seem to work a treat but the veggie juices have given me my first ever migraine!
Have you been and checked, or is this just something you "know"?
I have a degree in dietetics, so I do know.
just take that pill that makes you shit fat.
simon - i am no expert but look at [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/humanbody/truthaboutfood/slim/soup.shtml ]this[/url]
perhaps removal was the wrong choice of word.
I have a degree in dietetics, so I do know.
Isn't that something to do with Scientology? 😛
You have to wonder what the point is of a degree if it all it tells you is 'eat a balanced diet'. Dr Gillian McKeith has a degree too!
I lost loads of weight on a low-carb diet and so have many others. How is that bollocks exactly?
Cut out the carbs. Not great for cyclists but if you cut the carbs and focus on lean meat, eggs, green leafy salad, broccoli, nuts, seeds etc you'll see rapid improvements.
I'm down 10lbs in 3 weeks and my belt is now a notch tighter than it was 3 weeks ago.
Cracking article in this months GQ about a writer that lost 3 stones in three months. They list his new diet and although it wasn't defined or described as being low carb, it generally was. Switched from a diet full of pasta, bread, pizza, cereal, potatoes etc to a diet consisting of whole foods: fish, chicken, salad, nuts etc
It's far too easy to heap a massive bowl of pasta and stuff yourself and think you're being healthy. Put it this way, 200g of penne pasta contains about 700 calories. 200g of fillet steak contains 300 calories. A cardiologist friend advised me that the only people that should eat pasta are ultra endurance athletes. It has zero nutritional value and the carbs in white pasta behave like sugar in the body, spiking insulin levels and causing cravings & binges.
just take that pill that makes you shit fat.
but remember to wear a nappy 🙁
:simon - i am no expert but look at [b]this[/b]
can reduce our hunger by up to a quarter.
so, a relatively small effect from making the food into soup - which is different to juicing as soups involve thickening with hydrolysed starch...
mrsflash - Memberjust take that pill that makes you shit fat.
lovely image :/
McKeith the charlatan has no training or proper qualifications in anything to do with nutrition
BoardinBob - MemberCut out the carbs. Not great for cyclists but if you cut the carbs and focus on lean meat, eggs, green leafy salad, broccoli, nuts, seeds etc you'll see rapid improvements.
I'm down 10lbs in 3 weeks and my belt is now a notch tighter than it was 3 weeks ago.
Cracking article in this months GQ about a writer that lost 3 stones in three months. They list his new diet and although it wasn't defined or described as being low carb, it generally was. Switched from a diet full of pasta, bread, pizza, cereal, potatoes etc to a diet consisting of whole foods: fish, chicken, salad, nuts etc
It's far too easy to heap a massive bowl of pasta and stuff yourself and think you're being healthy. Put it this way, 200g of penne pasta contains about 700 calories. 200g of fillet steak contains 300 calories. A cardiologist friend advised me that the only people that should eat pasta are ultra endurance athletes. It has zero nutritional value and the carbs in white pasta behave like sugar in the body, spiking insulin levels and causing cravings & binges.
Off to the shops to buy GQ. Thanks!
BTW I know somebody who eats lettuce only. Or adds ketchup if a weight gain needs to take place. How sick is that?
Besides, lst year I substituted beer for whisky and spirits drunk neat. Lost weight in no time and it worked out cheaper. I might go back to my diet 😉
Just had the first glass from the juicer instead of a sarnie for lunch.
there are some interesting recipes out there .
this one was
1 apple
2 carrots
1 orange
clove of garlic
1 pear
1 red chilly
quarter of a small cabbage
it made about 400mls of juice and tasted pretty good
so will wait for the hunger pangs to return
I was also nicely supprised as to the cost of a couple of bags af assorted friut and veg £6 and what looks like enough to last about 4 days.
I can feel the weight falling off already 😆
It has zero nutritional value and the carbs in white pasta behave like sugar in the body
[b]ALL[/b] carbs do that - they are converted into glucose in your stomach before they are absorbed. They all have equal nutritional value for this reason. A low carb diet is a form of self poisoning.
just take that pill that makes you shit fat.
That's what xenical does...
A cardiologist friend advised me that the only people that should eat pasta are ultra endurance athletes.
Obviously talking out of his speciality... 😉
If juicing help you to eat less calories and burn more, I say good luck!
If juicing help you to eat less calories and burn more, I say good luck!
1) I think the "if" is questionable
2) no one has suggested you'll burn more - less in fact as the effort of chewing is performed by a machine 🙁
Put it this way, 200g of penne pasta contains about 700 calories. 200g of fillet steak contains 300 calories.
Do you eat dried pasta straight from the packet then?
McKeith obtained a degree in linguistics from the University of Edinburgh in 1981,[2] later moving to the United States, where she worked in marketing and international business. In 1984, she received a master's in international relations from the University of Pennsylvania.[15] In 1994, she obtained a master's degree, and in 1997, a PhD, both in holistic nutrition via a distance-learning programme from the non-accredited[16] American Holistic College of Nutrition
Interesting!
I think the thing is you need to get fewer cals in, so whatever makes you eat fewer cals without a) unbalancing your diet or b) starving is a good thing. That said I seem able to eat sod-all calories and maintain my weight, I still hold to my 6 weeks on stir fry chicken (1 breast (few hundred cals), 1/2 bag of veg (100 cals) and 1/2 pack of sauce (50 cals)) did sod all to help me lose weight while eating normally the rest of my meals which I found very odd as Im normally stable in weight so I was expecting a ~600 cal reduction in evening meal content to help, but it didnt.
One problem I know I have is that I struggle to distinguish between hungry and thirsty, for some odd reason. I drink next to nothing (2-3 cups of coffee a day and thats is, all I've ever drunk for years) and feel hungry a lot, but if I force myself to drink water it quenches the hunger.
SFB:
1)agreed
2)point taken
Is that a first?
200g of fillet steak contains 300 calories.
I'm sceptical about that too - it would have to have been pumped with a [b]lot[/b] of water to get that figure. Protein has the same calorific value as carbs and there's bound to be some fat, which has more than twice the energy content
Interesting!
Hence the fact that, when she refers to herself as "Doctor", we all need to remind her that she bought her Masters and PhD at the same time on a BOGOF deal.
Good Guardian exposé from a few years ago. Should be google-able.
[b]Trout[/b] - you're overcomplicating your life. Stop eating crisps, chocolate, chips, yoghurt, cream, cheese, bread, pasta, rice, potoatoes in any great quantity and ride your bike again. It will be painful. You will feel hungry - you just have to put up with these things. Soon enough, you'll have lost have a stone, and you'll be like the proverbial ex-smoker....
I hear that almost constant food poisoning is another good way.
Basically after going to the shop you want to leave half the meat you brought out in the sun.
That way you should be able to alternate between good and bad food. This should allow you to have food poisoning enough to lose weight but not enough to kill you.
Trout - you're overcomplicating your life. Stop eating crisps, chocolate, chips, yoghurt, cream, cheese, bread, pasta, rice, potoatoes in any great quantity and ride your bike again. It will be painful. You will feel hungry - you just have to put up with these things. Soon enough, you'll have lost have a stone, and you'll be like the proverbial ex-smoker....
ourmaninthenorth
Bloody hell I have just realised how the weight got on .( well I knew really)
Mrs Trout has just come in with some shopping and it is like you wrote the shopping list just now except she forgot the chips.
Advise taken on board and feeling peckish but resisting the crisps
I'd be surprised if it helps to loose weight if that's your problem. That's not to say it isn't a good idea. it's one way of quickly overloading yourself with vitamins, that's for sure. I've had periods of doing some serious juicing, I have a Greenstar. - But not used it for quite a while now. (Buy your carrots in 25Kg bags - organic for certain).
Some veg juice is pretty whacky stuff when fresh, and gives you a real buzz. Certainly an unpleasant experience if you overdoo it. Watch out for wheatgrass, that's like drinking espresso. I juiced real grass -(yes,from the field) once and it nearly took my head off for a couple of hours. Definitely a certifiable drug, I'm amazed how cows manage to eat it.
carrot - what in grass would do that?!
Hell if i know. The afficionados go an all about the chlorophyll (plenty of juicy loonies on the web). It is indeed the most beautiful looking green stuff you could ever put into a glass. It knocks your head off and I have no idea why..
trout, please go and juice some grass and report back 😀
OK will try and find some yummy meadow grass away from the dog walking routes .
but dont want the moobs lactating
yummy meadow grass away from the dog walking routes
That would be the last place I'd get it from
i juiced some sprouts once for some reason and it burnt my throat to bits took ages to stop it stinging lol
Does Beer and wine come under the juice banner
Does Beer and wine come under the juice banner
put some lard in there too for extra texture...
Tbh the biggest difference I found was cutting out junk food, my local kebab shop owner commented the other day 'he hadn't seen me for a while -mate'! And cutting out bread as well as trimming down my booze intake, elevated my riding a little and lost 9lbs in 3months down to 13.8st and a bmi of 23, I'm 6ft4in and 35.
Juiceing will not make you lose weight!!
OH, AND IT'S LOSE...NOT LOOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😈
Juice just concentrates the sugars...it processes food...processed food makes you fat!!!
Juice just concentrates the sugars...it processes food...processed food makes you fat!!!
no, no and no. Homogenising is not concentration. Processing is usually taken to mean cooking, denaturing or adulterating, which it isn't. [b]All[/b] food except perhaps lettuce makes you fat.
Sorry Simon...you are WRONG!!!!!!!!!!
Anything done to a food before it is eaten is "processing".
When you juice you remove all the fibre etc. and just leave concentrated sugars.
Depends how you look at it. The sugars in the juice aren't any more concentrated in terms of grams per ml of liquid but they are if you measure their concentration as a weight percent of the total plant matter because you've removed the weight of the fibre. However unless you are going to take advantage of that lack of bulk by drinking more juice than you would if the plant was just pulped then I don't think your calorie intake will be increased.
simonfbarnes - MemberJuice just concentrates the sugars...it processes food...processed food makes you fat!!!
no, no and no. Homogenising is not concentration. Processing is usually taken to mean cooking, denaturing or adulterating, which it isn't. All food except perhaps lettuce makes you fat.
I don't know anything about diets, but juicing is not homogenising, if anything it's heterogenising (I'm hoping that's a made up word).
Matt
When you juice you remove all the fibre etc. and just leave concentrated sugars.
sorry, I thought juice just meant 'chop it up very fine', are you saying it includes filtering ? I'm ignorant about this stuff, I just eat things.
I give up... 🙄
If you eat an orange your body produces enough insulin to stabilize the sugars in one orange.
If you drink a glass of juiced oranges...(5 or 6?) your body produces enough insulin to stabilize the sugar in 5 or 6 oranges.
Half an hour later you then get a blood sugar low, because of the increased insulin. You then HAVE to eat...probably carbs...bread etc...
It's not rocket science...but it IS science...
I'm ignorant about this stuff
Of course you are. Why else would you be commenting?
Half an hour later you then get a blood sugar low, because of the increased insulin. You then HAVE to eat...probably carbs...bread etc...
this makes me think several things:
1) then don't drink 5 oranges - your body can't store vit C and doesn't need that much
2) have all those millions of years of evolution only produced an undamped first order systemic response to glucose ?
3) after having all those oranges, isn't it [b]time[/b] for some proper food ?
FC, you only gave up for five minutes 😆
[i]2) have all those millions of years of evolution only produced an undamped first order systemic response to glucose ?[/i]
Yes!
have all those millions of years of evolution only produced an undamped first order systemic response to a shapely thigh???
We are very simple beings...some simpler than others, it would seem! 😉
ooooh, shapely :o)
...what was that you were saying ??
rs...you are very observant! 8)
I'll leave simplesimon to his "ponderings" and head off for a bath.
and head off for a bath.
that's [b]it[/b], stick the boot in!
OK so ignoring the banter , and reading the posts and other sites , the general concensus is it aint gonna kill me and is better than what I have been eating which probably was going to kill me
so will carry on with the fresh fruit and veg pre chewed and see what happens.
Foxy chick's argument is that drinking five oranges worth of juice is a lot easier than having to eat five whole (or pulped) oranges to get that same amount of juice. Like sfb says just don't drink five oranges worth of juice or stick to eating the whole fruit.
uponthedowns...I never mentioned the word "easy".
trout...do what the hell you like...why post a thread when you know all the answers? 😉
Fad diets + weight loss pills... is this what ST has come to?
I am not sure where you get the idea I know the answers FC if I did then I would be rich. ( and thin )
I posted at lunchtime as had just been given the said juicer and as I am out of work 😥 had all afternoon to Google and read this thread.
Thanks for your support 😐
YGM stick to it trout, like you say change for the better.
Anything done to a food before it is eaten is "processing".
When you juice you remove all the fibre etc. and just leave concentrated sugars.
If you put a few pieces of fruit in a blender then eat everything that comes out, how is it any less nutritious than just eating the fruit whole?
that'd be pureeing, not juicing... right?
i thought juicing involved injecting the testosterone extracted from chilean bull sharks.
[i]A cardiologist friend advised me that the only people that should eat pasta are ultra endurance athletes[/i]
I think you should post his name, so real people can avoid this quack.
I posted at lunchtime as had just been given the said juicer and as I am out of work
So try it out, write a blog on it and if it works sell it as the Troutjuicer diet. You'll never need to work again. Oh, an I want a slice of the action £££ 🙂
has anyone posted this link yet?
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