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No idea how good his opponent is, but he is an exciting fighter to watch.
What are people predictions?
Joshua in 6.
Joshua 4th round
Heavyweight boxing has been in the doldrums for 20years.
Holding one of the titles means very little nowadays ... ask Fury; who seems to have disappeared since winning his.
We can only pray a new Tyson comes along and clears all the rubbish up.
We can only pray a new Bruno comes along and clears all the rubbish up.
FTFY
Let's hope AJ is it. 🙂 Be happy if he wins either way but much happier if he ends it early - round three TKO (he optimises).
I expect to see AJ as the champion on saturday and well deserved. He's conducted himself really well and done the business in the ring unlike the last heavyweight olympian.
Aj looking a bit more serious maybe a tad nervous. He mentions about distractions at home and the need to get away and squeeze in some more sparing so close to the fight. Martin just looks happy to be here and I think the match up is pretty good. We'll even get news of Fury v Wlad by the end of the day too as they cash in on the limelight.
Round 7 with a pretty cautious affair till rnd 3
Martin is only the "champ" because the IBF stripped Fury instantly then set up a title fight between Martin and Glazkov, which was absolute crap for the 3 rounds it lasted before Glazkov retired with an injury.
Martin has fought absolutely no one of any note. If AJ stays disciplined he should get him out pretty quickly
He seems like a decent bloke. As a consequence I hope he does well, including smashing tyson fury at some point. But the heavyweight division is a joke these days. The likes of Bowe, Hollyfield, Tyson and Lewis in their prime would have completely dismantled all of today's 'challengers'...
fury v Klitscho on the 9th July in Manchester
Who needs the steel industry when we have Boxing 🙂
The likes of Bowe, Hollyfield, Tyson and Lewis in their prime would have completely dismantled all of today's 'challengers'...
Tell that to Hasim Rahman who Lewis underestimated and got KO'd by yeah he demolished him when focussed and was fit for the rematch but that is the thing with big guys, one punch can finish it.
No one thought Tyson could be beat, Buster Douglas shattered that illusion.
Aye bit Tyson was past his best then.
Every fighter has a limit.
Not past his best, just mismanaged. Tyson at 75% would have cleaned him out early doors but he did next to no training according to his biography.
Exactly - Tyson was a complete animal in his early days and I reckon he could have beaten anyone in history when in his prime. I recall reading an article about this teenager coming through the ranks in a Sunday supplement years back - this mean looking thing with a neck like an elephant's leg...
And I still remember vividly Bruno rocking him and thinking 'ohh shit - what now?' like he'd just hit the school bully and knew he was about to get a beating....
Boxing is now theatre, it's all about the nonsense before the fight.
The fight itself usually ends up being an absolute shit fest with hardly any boxing occurring.
I'm not a massive fan of MMA but I'm afraid it's going to put boxing on it's arse.
There aren't and will not be any true heavyweight greats again because if one does come along he's got nobody to have any truly epics battles with.
[b][i]Fury's fight with Klitschko will take place on the same weekend as the Wimbledon singles finals, the British Grand Prix and the Euro 2016 final.[/i][/b]
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If it was on over the road and there was nothing to watch on telly, I wouldn't cross the road to watch it.
but you would go for his singing 😉
Double post
Joshua in 2 for me, unless it transpires hes the next david price, and the whyte fight doesn't point to that.
As for tyson (not fury), always thought he was a bit overrated. People always mention 'prime tyson' but who didd he beat during that very brief period. He lost to the first guy who wasnt intimidated by him.
Dont get Me wrong he'd destroy the current crop, but he'd be struggling to make my top 20 atg heavies list.
Joshua in at 17st 6 and Martin 17st7
Joshua with his Miami beach body and Martin with his from Clacton
Re Tyson he had 27 fights from mar 85 to sep 86 and knocked everyone out of the ring. Tyson in his orime was fast, packed a punch and moved. Dont think we will see anyone like that again. There are a few heavyweights in the wings with Os waiting for a shot at the next heavyweight champ!
But who did he beat in that time? Agree he was awesome but doesnt have any defining victories to his name. Rates behind lewis and holmes for me.
Joshua is widely expected to win and I fully expect him to win in 6, seems a really nice bloke as well, so good luck to him. Martin is unbeaten but even so possibly.....nah.
Re Tyson, I think he was the most explosive, aggressive and intimidating heavyweight ever and on his day would have beaten anyone, freak of nature. Fair do's to Douglas in beating him but Tyson biggest opponent was Tyson.
He was all those but he was also not a very good fighter. Once someone realised to hide behind the jab he was easily defeated.
He was excellent because he always delivered a KO and fans like that. However he was not a great boxer he was a great/spectacular puncher.
There is a big difference and all the great boxers would have schooled him in the difference.
Good to see AJ going in against a live opponent after only 15 pro fights, Hardly a heavyweight championship in my eyes though. More interesting I think, is how Pacquiao will do against Bradley in their 3rd fight. Got a feeling he might lost a points decision again.
[i]However he was not a great boxer he was a great/spectacular puncher.[/i]
Gotta disgree. He was phenomenal until he lost his way mentally. Never seen a heavyweight use such fast head movement as defence as Tyson did.
But what was his best win? He has a washed up holmes, a petrified spinks, and a handful of other fighters who were short of absolute elite on his resume. As such speculation that 'prime tyson'could beat anyone in heavyweight history is hard to justify
I agree with junky, dont be intimidated and box behind the jab was key. Rememmber also tyson was tiny for a heavy.
'ever' in the sense of 'you've ever seen' - or actual best ever? Because the Queensberry rules are 120+ years old - there's been a lineal HW champion since John L Sullivan in 1892, and the sport was at its zenith pre-1950.Re Tyson, I think he was the most explosive, aggressive and intimidating heavyweight ever and on his day would have beaten anyone, freak of nature. Fair do's to Douglas in beating him but Tyson biggest opponent was Tyson.
Think Tyson slides comfortably into the top20, like tpbiker posted above, but nowhere near the inner sanctum of all time greats. He was unlucky in the timing of his rise - he never got to beat another great fighter in their prime.
early tyson had great head movement sort of like but with less style toney and Jones jnr.
Once the speed went then he was prone to the outside fighting. Hard to call the Manny fight.. Personally I'd like to see Manny win but he's been in some big wars and would be happy to see him retire.
I'm looking forward to the undercard on the AJ fight and also Fury gate crashing
By the way, there are some great Pacquiao fights on Premier channel showing for free in advance of the Bradley fight.
scandal42 - Member
Boxing is now theatre, it's all about the nonsense before the fight.There aren't and will not be any true heavyweight greats again because if one does come along he's got nobody to have any truly epics battles with.
Boxing has always been about selling the fight - even right back to John L Sullivan, he did it with the whole I can lick any man in the house, to sell himself.
To make a truly epic boxing match, it takes two evenly matched fighters. They don`t need to be great ... look at Gatti v Ward. Two average guys, with big hearts who were evenly matched.
The criticism of Tyson comes from him blowing away those early in his career, which made them all look like stiffs. Then going off the rails, smoking and taking whatever drugs instead of training, then losing against the likes of Douglas, Williams and Lewis.
It still baffles me how people now regard Lennox so highly - the guy was almost as negative and nervous in the ring as the younger Klitchko.
I think Tyson would have beaten any of the heavyweights before him. Only the sheer size todays super big heavyweights would have caused him problems.
[i]It still baffles me how people now regard Lennox so highly[/i]
With you there!
The arguments about Tyson will go on forever. It's all opinion and one person's isn't going to change another's!
I have no idea how he ranks in the greatest of all time cos it's all guessing games. It's like Holyfield - one of the most exciting fighters of my time, but how would he fare against Louis, Dempsey, Marciano... who cares?!
DId you see the speed and power of Ali in his prime?
He could hit hard and box and he would just have danced around making tyson look silly. Tyson was decent but best in the world - respectfully unless you have only see since he started boxing- NO. Fast with a big punch bit one dimensional and once you stopped it he was a lumbering punch bag. None of those who beat him were really greats either - though of course he had "peaked in his early 20's.
Ring magazine had him at 14 th as the best heavyweights ever.
I presume you mean the same Ali who got knocked down by Joe Frazier's left hook?
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I don't really find 'who could've beaten who' stuff very interesting to be honest. As I say, it's all guessing games.
Yes, its all a guessing game for sure. But one that almost all boxing fans indulge in.
So to answer your question; Holyfield quite easily.
Louis, Dempsey and Marciano were all 13 stone fighters ... Holyfield dominated those size of fighters at cruiserweight, and stood toe to toe with 16stone plus guys at heavyweight.
It still baffles me how people now regard Lennox so highly - the guy was almost as negative and nervous in the ring as the younger Klitchko
Eh?
In the 19 fights he won since he first became world champ he had a 68% KO record. Only 5 went the distance. Of all the fights he won he had a 78% KO record.
Far from being "negative and nervous" he was in fact tactical and patient. He was 6'5 and 250lbs. He was never going to be dancing around the ring like Ali.
Avenged his only two defeats in devastating style.
Nailed on ATG heavyweight.
Ali struggled with big guys ... and big guys then were only 15 stone.
Joe Bugner or Kenny Norton anybody?
[i]Holyfield dominated those size of fighters at cruiserweight, and stood toe to toe with 16stone plus guys at heavyweight[/i]
Who cares! 😉
Boardingbob - I can only assume you have not seen much more of Lennox than his highlight reel.
I can only think of two fights where he was devastating ... Razor Ruddock and Andrew Golota.
Maybe you need to take a look at his devastating defeat of Oliver McCall ... McCall was having a nervous breakdown mid fight - crying in the ring with his hands down, and Lewis was backing off too tactical or patient to hit him lol
And maybe take a look at the Henry Akinwande fight too ...
It gets forgotten nowadays - but Lennox was criticised very often for being nervous and negative.
I find it weird that i'm not seeing hardly anything in the press about the lee Selby fight on the undercard,considering he is actually a world champion and it will turn out to be the fight of the night(for fans of boxing anyway if not fans of the bandwagoners).
Yeah, unfortunately Lee Selby is fighting.... Eric Hunter... Who?!
Boardingbob - I can only assume you have not seen much more of Lennox than his highlight reel.I can only think of two fights where he was devastating ... Razor Ruddock and Andrew Golota.
Nope. Watched everything I can of his. I'm a boxing nut.
Here he is being nervous and negative against Michael Grant 😆
Nice job of holding and hitting. Nah, I wouldn't call Lewis nervous, but I couldn't stand his style.
lol - Michael Grant. He lost against pretty much every half decent fighter he faced ... even light-heavyweights.
Heres a clip of Lewis`s devestating win against Oliver McCall
The only legitimate criticism I can level at Lewis is around lack of motivation at times.
And I also agree that the hitting and holding style is crap but such is the nature of heavyweight boxing nowadays. The era of 6ft tall 215lbs champions is long gone. These big guys can take each other out with 1 punch so there is a lot of holding and spoiling which detracts from the spectacle.
But who did he beat in that time? Agree he was awesome but doesnt have any defining victories to his name. Rates behind lewis and holmes for me.
Everyone they put in front of him, until his liberal lifestyle caught up with him in Tokyo. Who of that era would you have liked to have seen him fight?
He was all those but he was also not a very good fighter. Once someone realised to hide behind the jab he was easily defeated.
He was excellent because he always delivered a KO and fans like that. However he was not a great boxer he was a great/spectacular puncher.
There is a big difference and all the great boxers would have schooled him in the difference.
Really? Not very good? And not one of of the fifty fights was against anyone who thought "maybe I should try and keep the little bloke away"? I think his style was unorthodox because, being a small heavyweight, he relied on his speed to get inside his opponent and bust them up, but I think it's harsh to say he wasn't a very good fighter. If I was a betting man, I'd bet he'd still pack a big old punch now, but time, drink and drugs have taken most of his speed.
I think Tyson would have beaten any of the heavyweights before him. Only the sheer size todays super big heavyweights would have caused him problems.
Don't think it'd make much difference, TBF - it's all speculation, obvs, but the only HW I think could trouble Tyson in his prime would be Ali in his prime, just as quick but bigger, more unorthodox and able to improvise relentlessly. The bigger ones these days would just have to try and hang on and hope, but like the man says - "everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth". 🙂 Someone like AJ I think has the big and the quick to be a Tyson-beater.
DId you see the speed and power of Ali in his prime?
Wasn't really known for his power, TBF.
And I also agree that the hitting and holding style is crap but such is the nature of heavyweight boxing nowadays.
It ain't quality to watch though, IMHO.
not one of of the fifty fights was against anyone who thought "maybe I should try and keep the little bloke away"
Not one of them could box well enough to do it; when he met folk who could he lost.
I Meant in relation to the very very best /greatest.but I think it's harsh to say he wasn't a very good fighter
Clearly in his prime he was devastating.
Everyone they put in front of him, until his liberal lifestyle caught up with him in Tokyo.
or he came up against someone who wasn't petrified of him and could box a bit.
Who of that era would you have liked to have seen him fight?
Well I would have like to see him fight Bowe, Lewis, holyfield. The fact he went to jail means its pure speculation to say he would have beaten them in his prime - as fact is he beat noone near that level of fighter in his entire career
but the only HW I think could trouble Tyson in his prime would be Ali in his prime,
Version one of big george destroys tyson IMO
Someone like AJ I think has the big and the quick to be a Tyson-beater.
Its one thing speculating Tyson beats any heavy in history (on the boxing forums I'm on you are not alone in this view)...but I think its going a bit far to suggest we've seen anything in AJ to suggest he is quite up to that standard ...
I Meant in relation to the very very best /greatest.
Clearly in his prime he was devastating.
That's a fair shout - I'd include Tyson amongst the greatest but YMMV and all that. 🙂
or he came up against someone who wasn't petrified of him and could box a bit.
It's doing a disservice to everyone Tyson fought previously to say Douglas was his first opponent "who could box a bit". Re the petrified bit, maybe the previous opponents knew about about how good Tyson was - no disrespect to Douglas because he got the job done, but he had had a hugely traumatic build-up (his mum had died) and maybe that gave him a killer reason to win, rather than going in there worrying about losing. Tyson was on the decline after Cus died, was never as good as he'd been when he had that steadying hand on the tiller.
Well I would have like to see him fight Bowe, Lewis, holyfield. The fact he went to jail means its pure speculation to say he would have beaten them in his prime - as fact is he beat noone near that level of fighter in his entire career
Deffo speculation, can't argue with that. But the fact is there either wasn't anyone of their calibre, or he beat them, or they wouldn't fight him when he was in his prime.
Version one of big george destroys tyson IMO
Not a chance, IMHO - version one of Big George gets blown out of there, similarly version one of Ali would have made George look daft.
Its one thing speculating Tyson beats any heavy in history (on the boxing forums I'm on you are not alone in this view)...but I think its going a bit far to suggest we've seen anything in AJ to suggest he is quite up to that standard ...
Not by any stretch suggesting he's there yet, but he's quick and he bangs pretty hard - early days yet, give him time... 🙂
DezB - Member
Yeah, unfortunately Lee Selby is fighting.... Eric Hunter... Who?!
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This just got interesting
yeah dumped on his ass.. not too bad a punch.. expect selby to come back at the later rounds
So are we watching Murdoch style or are there any cheeky links that won't get me a slapped wrist for asking?
Just checked, 17 quid. I just can't do it! 👿
ding ding.. than main event :).. Its been quite entertaining so far
what does Charles martin look like .. hes at a fancy dress party. Is he taking this seriously ??
boom
shit the bed.
Well that was quick
good job AJ .. he did him over. Thats gonna hurt in the morning
Martin talked a good fight but the bookies called it. AJ needs to choose opponents carefully as whilst he can bang he's very Bruno esque in movement terms and I think Fury would easily outpoint him at the mo.
As for Tyson being limited, I don't think there's a heavyweight champion in the last 100 years who would see Tyson in his prime an easy pay day. The fact he got past a jab doesn't automatically make it a poor jab.
As for Tyson being limited, I don't think there's a heavyweight champion in the last 100 years who would see Tyson in his prime an easy pay day.
I'll just leave this here
Fury decked by a cruiserweight.
The win over Wlad flatters to deceive. Wlad is notoriously chinny and simply wouldn't engage with Fury. First decent punching heavyweight he fights will take him out. I think Wilder's crap but I'd put money on Wilder beating Fury.
Had to be talking about Mike surely? Fury is a bum!
The taller fella is always vulnerable to the overhand and that is a cracking overhand right, whatever his weight.
Tyson is limited and a fast fighter will pummel him.
The discussion was about Mike Tyson - I would be amazed if anyone, other than Tyson and God, thought he was one of the best of all time- possibly the best singing voice of any champion 😉
I think your getting mixed up between Tyson Fury and Mike Tyson.
Ah.
Too many Tysons 😆